Beware of Worldly Dressing

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 8, 2015

Xalith said:
The woman who lusts and desires for gold jewelry and spends all day putting on makeup all day is in danger of idolatry. It depends on how important her makeup and her jewelry is. Let's not forget that Idolatry is not necessarily just worshipping idols in the sense that you're worshipping false gods (who does that nowadays, who calls themselves a Christian?). It can also be anything that distracts you from God; God is supposed to be first and foremost in your life, and then everything else follows after Him.

Though I will note another thing that nobody in this thread has mentioned: Paul has told us not to put a "stumbling-block" in front of others. The women who like to wear the sensual revealing clothing is doing just that for men. Men are not to lust after women; Jesus tells us that if we look at a woman and we desire to be with her, then we've already committed adultery in our hearts.

If a woman walks around with revealing clothing, showing half of her breasts, or miniskirts that show too much, and a man lusts after her because of it, then she's just as guilty of that sin as he is. I personally think a lot of women, even some saved Christians, are one day going to have to answer for themselves when He asks them why they were dressing like that, and have to stand in front of a large line of men who are guilty of lusting after her and have to answer for what she did.

In the dream the OP posted, that might be partly why the woman was being warned about the way she was dressing. However, to actually say a woman will go to Hell for dressing in a risque manner? I don't know. That's going along the lines of "can you lose your salvation?" and I really don't want to open that can of worms here. I will say, though, that if a woman is a Saved Christian, she should have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which justifies her and then sanctifies her over time, and she would surely dress more modestly and turn away from sinful things and treat her own body with some respect (instead of showing it off like a common harlot would).

If we are born again, we have the righteousness that comes through faith in the finished work on the cross by Jesus Christ. It is by faith that we are saved, not of works lest any man/woman should boast.

Matthew 21:31King James Version (KJV)
31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Xalith · Sep 8, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
If we are born again, we have the righteousness that comes through faith in the finished work on the cross by Jesus Christ. It is by faith that we are saved, not of works lest any man/woman should boast.

Matthew 21:31King James Version (KJV)
31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

I..... didn't say otherwise.

However, saying that we are "saved by faith and not works" does not give us free license to sin, either. If we continue to habitually and willfully sin without remorse or repentance, then we are obviously not saved. If we were, we wouldn't be doing that.

EDIT: And the quoted verse has nothing to do with the way women are dressed, nor does it have anything to do with whether or not you can continue to willfully sin without remorse after being born again.

EDIT2: And if you were trying to use that verse to reply to my "Harlot" comment by saying that even Harlots go to Heaven, read what Jesus is REALLY saying there:

He told them a parable about two sons in a vineyard. The people responded correctly to the question, but in doing so they proved themselves hypocrites, and Jesus calls them out on that in the verse after the one you quoted, saying "a Harlot would get into Heaven before you." He's not saying Harlots are openly welcomed there (unless of course they repent which is the whole point of the parable and the verses after it), mind you. This is a lot like the "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven" (pp) that He says elsewhere in the Gospels.

dragongunner · Sep 8, 2015

Xalith said:
I..... didn't say otherwise.

However, saying that we are "saved by faith and not works" does not give us free license to sin, either. If we continue to habitually and willfully sin without remorse or repentance, then we are obviously not saved. If we were, we wouldn't be doing that.

EDIT: And the quoted verse has nothing to do with the way women are dressed, nor does it have anything to do with whether or not you can continue to willfully sin without remorse after being born again.

Agree and understood what you are saying. Timothy and other scriptures tell us in all thing to be modest. To me, my opinion, is to seek what that is for each of us. Being modest in clothes, make up, the things that we perhaps even own, not to over indulge but to be modest. Heard a pastor say let God tell you what you should wear and how to dress, we should never have to tell someone, let God work it out for them. Sometimes someone gets saved and someone doesn't like how or what they are wearing and thinks its their duty to tell them to be like them, and like this pastor said, God saved them, let God work on cleaning them up. Sadly in my old church I would see woman coming to grace, only to have legalist woman, with right hearts or not jump in and start showing and telling them what is right and wrong and they need to this and that with their hair, clothing….Here Jesus took their burdens away, and some "christians" want to throw "their" burdens right back on them.

Xalith · Sep 8, 2015

dragongunner said:
Agree and understood what you are saying. Timothy and other scriptures tell us in all thing to be modest. To me, my opinion, is to seek what that is for each of us. Being modest in clothes, make up, the things that we perhaps even own, not to over indulge but to be modest. Heard a pastor say let God tell you what you should wear and how to dress, we should never have to tell someone, let God work it out for them. Sometimes someone gets saved and someone doesn't like how or what they are wearing and thinks its their duty to tell them to be like them, and like this pastor said, God saved them, let God work on cleaning them up. Sadly in my old church I would see woman coming to grace, only to have legalist woman, with right hearts or not jump in and start showing and telling them what is right and wrong and they need to this and that with their hair, clothing….Here Jesus took their burdens away, and some "christians" want to throw "their" burdens right back on them.

Yeah, I agree... Legalism is not what Christ intended. He wants Love, and God to be the center of our lives, not a list of rules made by men.

Jesus gave us the rules we need. Love God, Love our neighbors, and repent/stay away from sin. Everything else should fall into place.

Handmaid for Jesus · Sep 8, 2015

dragongunner said:
Agree and understood what you are saying. Timothy and other scriptures tell us in all thing to be modest. To me, my opinion, is to seek what that is for each of us. Being modest in clothes, make up, the things that we perhaps even own, not to over indulge but to be modest. Heard a pastor say let God tell you what you should wear and how to dress, we should never have to tell someone, let God work it out for them. Sometimes someone gets saved and someone doesn't like how or what they are wearing and thinks its their duty to tell them to be like them, and like this pastor said, God saved them, let God work on cleaning them up. Sadly in my old church I would see woman coming to grace, only to have legalist woman, with right hearts or not jump in and start showing and telling them what is right and wrong and they need to this and that with their hair, clothing….Here Jesus took their burdens away, and some "christians" want to throw "their" burdens right back on them.

I could not have said it better. That was my point.

mikedsjr · Sep 8, 2015

Im just stunned how mystical Christians can be when they will believe a dream, as if it is equal to Scriptue

dragongunner · Sep 8, 2015

mikedsjr said:
Im just stunned how mystical Christians can be when they will believe a dream, as if it is equal to Scriptue

Since I have dreams and visions from the Lord, and since this lines up with scripture that God does such things to his people would you care to explain what your saying, and why you felt posting this here? You believe if Christians have dreams they must be mystical….?

Acts 2:17King James Version (KJV)
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Xalith · Sep 8, 2015

I've had a few dreams myself that had His "mark" on them. You can just..... tell the difference.

For me, in the 35 years of my life, my dreams never have audible sound (sounds are imagined) and sensation of touch. I've had Religious-related dreams that have had both touch and sound that persisted a moment or two after I woke up and the first thought in my mind is "God" when I wake up after one of these kinds of dreams.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that these dreams came from Him. The one even interrupted another mundane dream I was having at the time.

mikedsjr · Sep 9, 2015

Dragon,
Acts 2:17 context is a fulfillment in that day and time. Everyone dreams. Just because one has a dream related to Christian topics doesn't make it God given. Everyone dreams. Dreams can feel so real you swear they were real. So real you could believe they were from God, but it was your own mind working through the info you have learned. Can the mind get it correct? Yes, but it could also be true in your own mind but false in reality. Either way doesn't equate it to God. No more than a Mormon, Jew, Muslim or Hindu dreaming about their faith and saying the same thing stated here. Is their dream from God?

I would never claim God can't give visions, in the Scriptural sense and not business sense most churches today work from. I would state 99%+ of so called visions/dreams today are not from God, and most end up taking Scripture out of context to validate dreams, just like Acts 2:17.

Give me one so-called Christian leader today spouting off visions from God. I bet Chris Rosebrough has already debunked them due to no Scriptural basis or Scripture way out of context.

dragongunner · Sep 9, 2015

Totally disagree with you. Your assumption that Acts 2:17 was for that day and time only are 100 % false. People today are still living the book of Acts. I have seen visions and dream come 100% true, and only by the hand of God, I've seen tongues, interpretation of tongues, I have seen great works of faith, I have seen miracles in peoples lives and my own, I have seen healings, and have been healed by the hand of God, I have seen the demon possessed and seen them delivered….the book of Acts continues today. Are their false prophets out there, absolutely, but why dismiss the book of Acts as being just a fulfillment of that time. Guess I won't make a good Baptist….lol.

mikedsjr · Sep 9, 2015

Dragon, this is why so many people make Scripture say what they want it to say. Read the actual context. Peter quoting Job was to demonstrate it had been fulfilled on Pentecost. Your taking a descriptive text of Scripture and making prescriptive to defend mystical responses.

Acts 2:5-16
Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter's Sermon at Pentecost
But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:

tturt · Sep 10, 2015

Acts 2:17 says Yahweh will pour out His Spirit and there would be dreams and visions.

Everything He does has a purpose.

Xalith · Sep 10, 2015

mikedsjr said:
Dragon,
Acts 2:17 context is a fulfillment in that day and time. Everyone dreams.

Then why does Acts 2:17 say...

in the last days,

I wasn't aware that AD ~50 were "the last days". What about the other ~717k days after?

mikedsjr · Sep 10, 2015

In 2:14, Peter...

is talking to crowd...

Vs8-11 about the languages they hear coming from the disciples...

Vs 15 Because the crowd thought they were drunk....

He told it was too early in the morning for that....

Vs 16 Peter said this was a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy

Vs17-21 Peter tells them the words from Joel which were fulfilled

Why was this fulfilled? To proclaim Christ to the known world, which was right there listening.

mikedsjr · Sep 10, 2015

tturt said:
Acts 2:17 says Yahweh will pour out His Spirit and there would be dreams and visions.

Everything He does has a purpose.

Yes, you're right. The context explains the purpose. It's clear.

abysmul · Sep 10, 2015

Be careful in getting one's spiritual guidance from Facebook.

Sammy-San · Sep 10, 2015

MatthiasProctor said:
A hell testimony that I received from someone on facebook.

In this place, once you get there, you will see yourself on a screen, all your activities on earth, e.g. dressing. For some pastors &others, their case was very fast- they go straight to hell fire. * Those with worldly hairstyle * Those that use skin lightening cream to change their skin colour * Make-up * Jerry curl hair * Mini skirts, female trousers, nude clothes etc WILL ALL GO TO HELL FIRE! PASTORS That Do NOT CORRECT Members who dress worldly, will go to hell fire. Please do not allow your members to entice you with money that will lead you to hell fire.

A CERTAIN WOMAN WAS SHOUTING, "I will never forgive my pastor!" Because when she was still alive on earth, She attended a revival meeting where she heard the word about end time. She gathered all her jewelries, makeup, shoes, weavon, trousers and clothes that do not befit a christian and burnt them all with fire. She started dressing normally as a child of God. One day (as we saw it on the screen) The pastor of her church saw her and said, "Sister, what happened to you?" She explained the revival meeting, and said, "My pastor, You are not telling us the truth of the Way of the Lord Jesus". He replied, "Oh my God, you have gone to worship with all these churches! For God has nothing to do with your way of dressing because you have believed Him in your mind". Because of what the pastor said, she went back home and started dressing in her old worldly ways again. After service one day, on her way back home, she got involved in an auto accident and she died and went to hell fire! IT WAS INSIDE HELL FIRE SHE WAS CRYING, "I WILL NEVER FORGIVE MY PASTOR!" GOD IS HOLY! HEAVEN IS HOLY! NO DEFILEMENT CAN ENTER!

Why do you think female trousers are wrong? I don't really nitpick on how others dress, but when women wear dresses, i think it looks too formal and old fashioned.

MatthiasProctor · Sep 11, 2015

Superhero Sam said:
Why do you think female trousers are wrong? I don't really nitpick on how others dress, but when women wear dresses, i think it looks too formal and old fashioned.

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Sammy-San · Sep 11, 2015

MatthiasProctor said:
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Why are you saying pants are men's clothing? In many cultures, both men and women were robes, but that doesn't make it cross dressing.

mikedsjr · Sep 11, 2015

I hope your house has a parapet

Deuteronomy 22:8
“When you build a new house, you shall make a parapet for your roof, that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house, if anyone should fall from it.

You do realize the law of Moses is Not binding on Christians, right?

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