Beware Global Warming!

[Enfeoffment75]

Suit yourself.

Anyone can criticize.

Make a recommendation -- and be specific.

Like I told our resident professor of literature:

Quit cursing the dark and light a candle.

Most of us have a clue what to do. But just in case you are confused:

1. Use less electricity
2. Use less gasoline
3. Try to go with renewable energy wherever you can (and ensure your politicians support this)
4. Vote for politicians who will NOT promise to bring dirty fuels like coal "back"
5. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle
6. Be ready to have laws enacted which will limit your ability to waste energy

There are lots of other things you can do which you've already been told about no doubt.

Don't think for a second that people like me who say this are pictures of perfection. I do what I can but I'm by no means "perfect". I went into short term debt to put solar on my home and I drive an electric car which I attempt to charge at home whenever I can (though sometimes I use the free charging at work), I try to be good about recycling. I always vote for politicians who have a serious view of what the science says. And, of course, I did my homework on coal chemistry so I would know a bit more than the average bear about that topic.

There's a lot you can do. And ALSO, here's the best thing:

Learn the basic science and STOP POSTING ANTI-SCIENCE CRAP meant to undercut what we pretty well understand fully.

 

[AV1611VET]

Beware ignorance of basic science and the difference between climate and weather!

So the weather in the OP has nothing to do with global warming? Hmmmmm.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe. But then you'd have to know where plastics come from and how polymer science works.

Ya ... and until I do, I'll put a plastic jug, its paper label, and its plastic cap all in the same bag and recycling can take a hike.

Like I asked earlier, what do I need to take specifically? chemistry? nuclear physics? meteorology?

 

[AV1611VET]

SUCH DEPTH! It is like gazing into a fractal and seeing levels upon levels upon levels of...well...something.

Oh ... now you're going to bring up fracking?

I don't even know what courses to take for recycling yet, let alone what courses to take to get rocks to ... well ... effluviate.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do what I can but I'm by no means "perfect".

I'm sure the polar bears are appreciative.

Tell me though, do you or anyone in your household:

1. drive a gas-powered car
2. have a cement patio
3. have glass windows
4. have a barbecue grill
5. have a fireplace
6. drink pop
7. use a CO2 extinguisher

 

[Enfeoffment75]

I'm sure the polar bears are appreciative.

Tell me though, do you or anyone in your household:

1. drive a gas-powered car
2. have a cement patio
3. have glass windows
4. have a barbecue grill
5. have a fireplace
6. drink pop
7. use a CO2 extinguisher

I have an electric car which I attempt to charge using the solar on my home.

We have a cement foundation to our house. That is a problem since cement is a major contributor.

We have glass windows but they are high insulative. IN the past when we replaced our windows a previous homes we got as high an R-value as we could possibly afford.

But again, you misunderstand the point I made which was very clear. No one needs to be PERFECT. But do what you can! And be prepared for a future with some limitations

 

[Enfeoffment75]

I don't even know what courses to take for recycling yet, let alone what courses to take to get rocks to ... well ... effluviate.

You don't have to take classes on recycling, but if you want to complain about recycling it might help if you understood anything about where plastics come from.

As for fracking, well, that's a sign of desperation. Anytime you have to go back and rely on expensive technology to recover ever decreasing grades of a resource you are playing a losing game. It is driven by desperation to maintain our addiction to fossil fuels.

It's basic economic geology.

 

[AV1611VET]

But again, you misunderstand the point I made which was very clear. No one needs to be PERFECT. But do what you can! And be prepared for a future with some limitations

Well, you're going to have to exclude me from the program.

I'm one of those who get excited when I see certain things go bad: like the weather.

And there's a reason for it I'm sure you'll find anathema.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's basic economic geology.

Man, get the phone.

Euell Gibbons is calling.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Ya ... and until I do, I'll put a plastic jug, its paper label, and its plastic cap all in the same bag and recycling can take a hike.

People have told you what they need you to do for the good of your own home. If you don't like it then do NOT expect people to give a flying flip about you when you need help because of your philosophy of telling things to take a hike.

Like I asked earlier, what do I need to take specifically? chemistry? nuclear physics? meteorology?

You would do very well taking an intro chemistry class or two or three. Maybe an earth science class so you know how people understand the history of the earth's climate and what drives that climate. Physics? Well that'd be nice (no need for nuclear), if you want to understand the basics of how the gases in our atmosphere work (but you'll get a lot of that in intro chemistry).

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Well, you're going to have to exclude me from the program.

Hey, if you can't care about others that's your problem.

I'm one of those who get excited when I see certain things go bad: like the weather.

And there's a reason for it I'm sure you'll find anathema.

Are you waiting for God get you off of this horrible planet He gave you? That's sweet. So when someone gives you a gift at Christmas do you look at it and sneer and say "Ummm, thanks for this piece of trash but when are you going to give me something nicer?"

This post kind of seems to be describing a toddler.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

So the weather in the OP has nothing to do with global warming? Hmmmmm.

It likely does but there's no way to really know. Extremes in weather are expected with global climate change (warming). But it's likely beyond you to understand the details and it would be a waste of my time to try to explain them to you.

It would also be a waste of my time to explain statistics to you. If you don't know about variability in observational data then I'd have to take too much of my day to explain the basics to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

It would also be a waste of my time to explain statistics to you. If you don't know about variability in observational data then I'd have to take too much of my day to explain the basics to you.

Years ago on here two posters, Thaumaturgy and [the real] Glen Morton, went at it BIG TIME on climate change.

All I remember is the pictures though.

One posting pictures of fancy thermometers in areas he though gave false readings: like hot parking lots and such; and the other arguing statistics and such.

I'll see if I can hunt it up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Enfeo, here's one of Thaumaturgy's posts: Climate Change!

 

[Favourofone]

Quit cursing the dark and light a candle.

You make it sound like you invented it.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Years ago on here two posters, Thaumaturgy and [the real] Glen Morton, went at it BIG TIME on climate change.

All I remember is the pictures though.

One posting pictures of fancy thermometers in areas he though gave false readings: like hot parking lots and such; and the other arguing statistics and such.

I'll see if I can hunt it up.

Clearly you like the pictures of things. Unfortunately life is more complex than just pictures.

What you seem to be talking about is something called "heat island effect" and "thermometer placement".

There's at least one article (by a guy named Peterson I believe) that showed that the urban heat island effect was not significant in the calculation of the overall trend. And as for the "poor placement" of thermometers there was an analysis done by a climate skeptic that attempted to rate how "Badly placed" some thermometers were. So the climate scientists took the data ONLY FROM SOME OF THE WORST PLACED THERMOMETERS and were able to show that these data points resulted in largely the same climate trends as all the thermometers.

This shows us that the trend still showed up even when the thermometers were only badly placed ones.

In reality the badly placed ones do NOT make up the majority of the thermometer placements so it really is a wash anyway.

THIS is what data tells you. And while data may show some nice pictures, it is best to understand the data itself.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Enfeo, here's one of Thaumaturgy's posts: Climate Change!

Thanks for the link. The whole "discontinued temperature measuring stations" has also been shown not to significantly alter the overall trend.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Man, get the phone.

Euell Gibbons is calling.

Wow, I'd completely forgotten about him.

 

[AirPo]

Ingorance is not a bliss.

Being successful at getting people to respond to stupid threads is.

 

[Heissonear]

Beware global warming!

3:45-3:51 is especially creepy!

Observation based evidence is the correct path of science.

It is unfortunate that winter weather presents many harmful and deadly hazards.