Between The Evenings

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The Perfect Pascal Lamb Of Elohim​

Matthew 22:29 (Complete Jewish Bible)
Yeshua answered them, “The reason you go astray is that you are ignorant both of the Tanakh and of the power of God.
Mark 7:13 (CJB)
Thus, with your tradition which you had handed down to you, you nullify the Word of God! And you do other things like this.”

Luke 23:4 (CJB)
Pilate said to the head cohanim and the crowds, “I find no ground for a charge against this man.”​

Exodus 12:6 (The Complete Jewish Bible With Rashi Commentary)
And you shall keep it for inspection until the fourteenth day of this month, and the entire congregation of the community of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon.​

Targum Jonathan on Exodus 12:6
And it shall be bound and reserved for you until the fourteenth day of this month, that you may not know the fear of the Mizraee when they see it; and ye shall kill him according to the rite of all to the congregation of the assembly of Israel, between the suns.
Sefer HaChinukh 5:1
The commandment to slaughter the Pesach sacrifice: To slaughter on the day of the fourteenth of Nissan in the late afternoon an unblemished one-year-old male lamb, or kid, in the Chosen House (Temple), and this is called the Pesach (Passover) sacrifice, as it is stated (Exodus 12:6), "The entire assembly of the congregation of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon."
MIDRASH Ein Yaakov (Glick Edition), Pesakhim 5:2
(Fol. 64) Mishnah: The Passover sacrifice was slaughtered for three successive divisions of men, as it is said (Ex. 12, 6) And then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall slaughter it toward evening.
Mishneh Torah, Leavened and Unleavened Bread 1:8
... Thus did they learn the explanation of this thing from the oral tradition: "You shall not eat chamets" from the time that is fit for the sacrifice of the Passover sacrifice, which is in "the afternoon" (Exodus 12:6) - and that is half the day.

 

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Karite Judaism by

Loolwa Khazoom
(there are Messianic Jews that follow the Torah not the oral law of the Talmud)​

“Every year at Passover,” says Sara Moussa, who lives in the San Francisco Bay area, home to the largest Karaite community in the United States, “we tell the guests at our table that our ancestors were kicked out of Egypt thousands of years ago, then we were kicked out one more time just a few decades ago. We never forget that.” The Karaites observe a form of Judaism that its adherents claim is based entirely on the Bible. The group, which traces its origins to the eighth century, considers the Talmud and other oral law, upon which much of rabbinic Judaism is based, to have no authority. The largest Karaite community is in Israel, with about 25,000 members. There are about 1,200 Karaites in the United States and 3,000 in Poland and the former Soviet Union; the rest are scattered in small communities around the world.

The Karaite seder does not include four cups of wine — or any alcoholic beverage, for that matter. “We don’t allow anything that has fermented,” explains Neria Haroeh, grandson of one of chief hakhamim, or spiritual leaders, of the Karaite community in Israel. “How do you make wine? You take grapes and let them ferment. The process is forbidden on Pesach,” he says. While wine is out of the question, says Hakham David Elisha, one of the community’s spiritual leaders in Israel, Karaites do drink grape or raisin juice — the latter because in Egypt fresh grapes were hard to come by during Passover season. Only one cup of this juice is sipped, during the ritual blessing before the meal. Karaites do not have a seder plate, an afikomen or charoset. They do have maror made of lemon peel, bitter lettuce and an assortment of other bitter herbs, which together look like a salad. While the rabbinic Haggadah starts with the story of Exodus, the Karaite Haggadah opens with something older still. “It begins with the prophecy of Abraham: ‘Your children will be slaves in Egypt for 400 years,’ ” Haroeh says. “Then it tells the story of what happened in Egypt, all the things the Pharaoh did, how the Jews suffered, and finally, how the Jews left.”

A Karaite Passover - Jewish Telegraphic Agency​

 

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Abraham Ibn Ezra (AZ), 1089 / 1092 – 27 January 1164 / 23 January 1167) was one of the most distinguished Jewish biblical commentators and philosophers of the Middle Ages. AZ a noted poet, philosopher, grammarian, and biblical exeget was born in Tudela, Spain, where he lived until he left in 1140 to wander to other lands. His life is consequently divided by historians into two periods, that of his residence in Spain, where he wrote many of his poems, and that of his sojourn in various Jewish communities outside Spain in which his other works were compiled. Ibn Ezra’s poems, both secular and religious, are among the choicest examples of Hebrew poetry.
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THE LAW
My help, my hope, my strength shall be,
Thou perfect law of God, in thee!
My faith shall be my rock of might,
Its law my portion and my right,
Its testimonies my delight,
And day by day, my voice I raise
In song and hymn to chant their praise.
How did th’ angelic host lament
When from their midst, by God’s intent,
The holy law to earth was sent.
“Woe that the pure and sanctified
Should now on sinful lips abide.”
The people trembled when they saw
Approaching them the heavenly law—
Their voices rose in joy and awe:
“Thy covenant, O Lord, fulfil,
Declare it, we will do Thy will.”
Translated by Alice Lucas from Alice Lucas, The Jewish Year (New York: Bloch, 1926)
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His theological works include Sefer Ha-Shem (Book of the Name), on the names of God, and Yesod Mora (Fountain of Fear) on the meaning of the precepts of the Torah. His Iggret Ha-Shabbat (Letter on the Sabbath) was written while he was staying in England. The Sabbath, he says, came to him in a dream to urge him to compile the work as a refutation of the heretical opinion that Sabbath begins in the morning and ends on the next morning in contradiction to the traditional view that it begins at sundown and ends at sundown the following day.
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Abraham ibn Ezra, defines "between the evenings" as between sundown and darkness​

 

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We have three distinct interpretations of “between the evenings” when the Passover lambs are to be slaughtered. Two of these timeline differing interpretations of Exodus 12:6 are by Rashi and ibn Ezra with a third distinct timeline variance interpretation of "between the evenings" by HARK!

"Rashi, acronym of Rabbi Shlomo Yitzḥaqi, (born 1040, Troyes, Champagne—died July 13, 1105, Troyes), renowned medieval French commentator on the Bible and the Talmud (the authoritative Jewish compendium of law, lore, and commentary). Rashi combined the two basic methods of interpretation, literal and nonliteral, in his influential Bible commentary. His commentary on the Talmud was a landmark in Talmudic exegesis, and his work still serves among Jews as the most substantive introduction to biblical and post biblical Judaism."

"Abraham ben Meir ibn Ezra, (born 1092/93, Tudela, Emirate of Saragossa—died 1167, Calahorra, Spain), poet, grammarian, traveller, Neoplatonic philosopher, and astronomer, best known as a biblical exegete whose commentaries contributed to the Golden Age of Spanish Judaism. He is considered one of the most distinguished Jewish biblical commentators and philosophers of the Middle Ages. The vast majority of his work was written in Hebrew, as opposed to earlier thinkers' use of Judeo-Arabic.HARK! Is very knowledgeable."​

Not sure if HARK! is an acronym or literally an indication of how he wants others to lend a close eye to his post as impeccable in this MJ forum. One MJ member referred to HARK! as “obtrusive”, hopefully in a good way. He definitely has a distinct interpretation of "between the evenings" that rarely, if ever, has been expressed previously in this MJ forum. Hopefully, HARK! will provide us with a brief résumé of his biblical exegete in the TaNaK (his preferred spelling). Would be helpful if he would include his favorite mentor(s) and any schooling in the TaNaK and B’rit Chadashah ... Brit Chadashah - the New Covenant

So, we have three distinct timeline interpretations of “between the evenings” (Exodus 12:6) when the Passover lambs are to be slaughtered: The less literal interpretation of the three is by the pharisaical leaders of the Sanhedrin and Rashi as occurring during the “afternoon” on the 14th based on the Oral Law of the Talmud; A more literal interpretation is that of ibn Ezra “sundown to darkness” on the 14th; and third distinct timeline is that of HARK! at “sundown at the end of the 13th” to “at the evening of the 15th” *being at minimum a 24 hour timeline interpretation of “between the evenings” ... בין שני ערבים ... Ben Ha Arbayim

* Some contend a Jewish day ends at sunset and the next Jewish day doesn't began until the first star(s) are visible or the new moon signaling the beginning of a new month. Others reckon sunset and sundown as one and the same.

 

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2 peter 3:8
Song of solomon 4:4
1 kings 19:18

 

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Jerusalem Telephoto Of New Moon On Aviv 1 (spring) by Brian Hoeck
(evening of March 25, 2020)

Observed by 5 witnesses at 6:32 pm ~ 38 minutes after sunset ~ moonset at 6:52 pm

As with the kingdom of Yahweh – some seeing Him will also see it
John 3:5 ... Titus 3:5

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known"​

 

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What Does the Name Hadassah Mean?

 

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Because there has been so much controversy over "between the evenings" it's assumed by at least one "Non-Denom" that this thread of mental gymnastics will likely result in more confusion than profusion. If "between the evenings" isn't enuf brain taxation try out your favored "between the evenings" timeline assuming the Israelites in Egypt were on a 24 hour timeline beginning at sunrise (not sunset). How would that change their and Moshe's understanding of Yahweh's instructions? Ya gotta wonder what Moshe would have to say about the oral law (Talmud)

My purpose in starting this thread is to explore for myself the two generally accepted interpretations of "between the evenings". Also the possibility that an Israeli day in Egypt began at sunrise (not sunset). How would that affect the timeline of "between the evenings" when Yahweh gave Moshe His instructions for observing Passover with unleavened bread (Exodus 12:8).

1. Most 14th believers understand this to refer to the time between sundown and darkness.
with sundown being the first evening and darkness being the second evening at the beginning of Aviv 14. This is the timeline favored by Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra.

Rabbi Abraham ben Meir Ibn Ezra (usually called simply "Ibn Ezra"), a true giant of the spirit, was perhaps not such a great poet as Rabbi Judah Halevi, but as a man of Torah scholarship, art and secular knowledge, he surpassed all his contemporaries, and his influence upon learning and writing in Italy, Southern France and England was greater than that of any other Jewish figure.
www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111872/jewish/Rabbi-Abraham-Ibn-Ezra.htm​

2. Most 15th believers understand this to be the time in the afternoon (on the 14th) with noon being the first evening and sundown being the second evening. This was the timeline when both the Paschal lamb and Yeshua were killed midway at the ninth hour (3 pm) of the day. This is the timeline favored by Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac.

Rabenu Solomon Yitzchaki, or Rashi as he is generally referred to is said to be a descendant of King David and one of the most influential Jewish commentators in history. Rashi’s best-known works are his comprehensive commentaries on the Bible and the Babylonian Talmud. All editions of the Talmud published since the 1520s have included Rashi’s commentary in the margins. His commentaries on the Bible have become a foundational element of Jewish education to this day; they are often taught side by side with the when students begin learning in yeshivas and Jewish day schools. Rashi’s commentaries on the Bible are based on the Masoretic text, a version of the Bible compiled by scholars between the seventh and 10th centuries, in which they clarified pronunciation by establishing a vowel notation system.
www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rashi-Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki.htm​

 

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This shouldn't take too long to see that ibn Ezra's "between the evenings" timeline (sundown to darkness) is most beholding to Yahweh's literal instructions for observing the Passover (Exodus 12) and then the Feast Of Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23), and not man's oral traditions (Rashi and HARK!) which calls into question the literal timeline of Yahweh ...

Mark 7:13
Do you really think God will honor your traditions passed down to others, making up these rules that nullify God’s Word? And you’re doing many other things like that.”​

Any confusion as to the timeline of Passover and Unleavened Bread and when to start counting the omer is due in no small measure to the oral law of the Babylonian Talmud. It has led to a mistranslation and misinterpretation of "between the evenings" by both Rashi and HARK!

FIRST: "until" means up to but not including. Whenever you see "until" in either Exodus 12 it means up to, but not including the twenty-first day.
SECOND: it's agreed that the correct interpretation is "evening" not "afternoon". It's a good thing that Moshe wasn't confused by the oral law of the Talmud as were the pharisaical leaders of the Sanhedrin.
THIRD: the Israelites in Egypt were accustomed to the beginning of a 24 hour day at sunrise. Thus Yahweh's instructions were according to the Egyptian timeline of the Israelites.

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NOTE: If you are reading this for the very first time start at #29 for these concluding posts on the literal interpretation. Respectfully submitted as the literal timeline of Passover ("between the evenings") and the Festival of Unleavened Bread that the Israelites (in Exodus 12 and Leviticus 23) were commanded to observe from generation to generation.

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Will first continue with "until" as it appears more than once in Exodus 12. Verses 6, 8, 15, 18 affirm/declare when the seven days are to begin (Aviv 14) and end (Aviv 20) ...

Exodus 12:6-8
6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.
7 “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.
8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.​

Exodus 12:15
Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven out of your houses, for if anyone eats what is leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.
Exodus 12:18
In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.​

What appears to be a conflict of interest in verse 18 is "until" Aviv 21 and the ending "at evening". Never-the-less verse 8 states that the first day begins on Aviv 14, as does verse 18.

. . . to be continued . . .​

 

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. . . continuing literally onward . . .
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According to Merriam-Webster "until" means "up to" which would not include Aviv 21. This controversy will never be resolved due in no small measure to the addition of "at evening" at the end of verse 18 (except for a few translations). The Complete Jewish Bible and a couple other translations omit "at evening" at the end of verse 18, possibly for clarification with the editor(s) belief that the 7th evening of matzah is on Aviv 20, not Aviv 21 ...

Exodus 12:18 (CJB)
From the evening of the fourteenth day of the first month until the evening of the twenty-first day, you are to eat matzah.
(the last evening of unleavened bread was on Aviv 20)​

Exodus 12:6 (JPS Tanakh 1985)You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month; and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight.
(the lambs last evening alive was on Aviv 13)​

We already know from Exodus 12:8 and Exodus 12:18 that the first evening of the seven days was on Aviv 14, so the last evening to eat unleavened bread was on Aviv 20. The Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on Aviv 15 (day 2 of the seven day count) as that was the day that the Israelites left Egypt on Aviv 15). However, that in know way negates the fact that the first evening of unleavened bread was eaten on Aviv 14 with bitter herbs and roasted lamb. Thus, the Feast Of Unleavened Bread over seven evenings includes Passover on Aviv 14.

Let's compare Exodus 12:18 and Leviticus 23:5-6 ...

5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord's Passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.​

This is where it gets confusing, but we've already established that the first day of unleavened bread is on Aviv 14. From a literal interpretation of the Torah the Feast of Unleavened Bread also includes the Passover evening of unleavened bread and bitter herbs with roasted lamb on Aviv 14. The actual celebration to the LORD begins on Aviv 15, the day the Israelites left Egypt for good, but the first evening (Aviv 14) of unleavened bread with bitter herbs and roasted lamb is to be a solemn time.

"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
(Martin Luther King, Jr. "I Have A Dream" speech on August 28, 1963)

( to be continued with the Egyptian sunrise the beginning of Aviv 15 )​

 

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NOTE: If you are reading this for the very first time start at #29 for these concluding posts on the literal interpretation. Respectfully submitted as the literal timeline of Passover ("between the evenings") and the Festival of Unleavened Bread that the Israelites (in Exodus 12 and Leviticus 23) were commanded to observe from generation to generation.

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Will first continue with "until" as it appears more than once in Exodus 12. Verses 6, 8, 15, 18 affirm/declare when the seven days are to begin (Aviv 14) and end (Aviv 20) ...

Exodus 12:6-8
6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.
7 “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.
8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.​

Exodus 12:15
Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven out of your houses, for if anyone eats what is leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.
Exodus 12:18
In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.​

What appears to be a conflict of interest in verse 18 is "until" Aviv 21 and the ending "at evening". Never-the-less verse 8 states that the first day begins on Aviv 14, as does verse 18.

. . . to be continued . . .​

chronological order from 14 thru 21 of The feast during nisan.
Take note of Ecclesiastes 11 concerning a portion of 7 and 8 and the parallels between sukkot and feast of pesach.
8 yammin in total for each high Holy feast of the yr.
2 peter 1

}14 evening and morning
Pesach, bitter herbs, unleavened bread
° Always during a full moon to which does not always occur during a weekly shabbat.
Faith

}15 evening and morning
Begining of Unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Goodness (micah 6:8)

}16 evening and morning
2nd yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Knowledge

}17 evening and morning
3rd yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Self-control

}18 evening and morning
4th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Perserverance

}19 evening and morning
5th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
godliness (psalms 1:1-3 )

}20 evening and morning
6th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Brotherly affection

}21 evening to morning
7th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Love


Blessings Always

 

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. . . continuing literally onward . . .
​

According to Merriam-Webster "until" means "up to" which would not include Aviv 21. This controversy will never be resolved due in no small measure to the addition of "at evening" at the end of verse 18 (except for a few translations). The Complete Jewish Bible and a couple other translations omit "at evening" at the end of verse 18, possibly for clarification with the editor(s) belief that the 7th evening of matzah is on Aviv 20, not Aviv 21 ...

Exodus 12:18 (CJB)
From the evening of the fourteenth day of the first month until the evening of the twenty-first day, you are to eat matzah.
(the last evening of unleavened bread was on Aviv 20)​

Exodus 12:6 (JPS Tanakh 1985)You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month; and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight.
(the lambs last evening alive was on Aviv 13)​

We already know from Exodus 12:8 and Exodus 12:18 that the first evening of the seven days was on Aviv 14, so the last evening to eat unleavened bread was on Aviv 20. The Feast of Unleavened Bread begins on Aviv 15 (day 2 of the seven day count) as that was the day that the Israelites left Egypt on Aviv 15). However, that in know way negates the fact that the first evening of unleavened bread was eaten on Aviv 14 with bitter herbs and roasted lamb. Thus, the Feast Of Unleavened Bread over seven evenings includes Passover on Aviv 14.

Let's compare Exodus 12:18 and Leviticus 23:5-6 ...

5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord's Passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.​

This is where it gets confusing, but we've already established that the first day of unleavened bread is on Aviv 14. From a literal interpretation of the Torah the Feast of Unleavened Bread also includes the Passover evening of unleavened bread and bitter herbs with roasted lamb on Aviv 14. The actual celebration to the LORD begins on Aviv 15, the day the Israelites left Egypt for good, but the first evening (Aviv 14) of unleavened bread with bitter herbs and roasted lamb is to be a solemn time.

"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
(Martin Luther King, Jr. "I Have A Dream" speech on August 28, 1963)

( to be continued with the Egyptian sunrise the beginning of Aviv 15 )​

Leviticus 23:6

 

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chronological order from 14 thru 21 of The feast during nisan.
Take note of Ecclesiastes 11 concerning a portion of 7 and 8 and the parallels between sukkot and feast of pesach.
8 yammin in total for each high Holy feast of the yr.
2 peter 1

}14 evening and morning
Pesach, bitter herbs, unleavened bread
° Always during a full moon to which does not always occur during a weekly shabbat.
Faith

}15 evening and morning
Begining of Unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Goodness (micah 6:8)

}16 evening and morning
2nd yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Knowledge

}17 evening and morning
3rd yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Self-control

}18 evening and morning
4th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Perserverance

}19 evening and morning
5th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
godliness (psalms 1:1-3 )

}20 evening and morning
6th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Brotherly affection

}21 evening to morning
7th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Love


Blessings Always

7 trees covering an unleavened field.

Isaiah 41:19

[ I will put in the wilderness the cedar, the acacia, the myrtle, and the olive. I will set in the desert the cypress, the plane and the pine together, ]
יט אֶתֵּן בַּמִּדְבָּר אֶרֶז שִׁטָּה, וַהֲדַס וְעֵץ שָׁמֶן; אָשִׂים בָּעֲרָבָה, בְּרוֹשׁ תִּדְהָר וּתְאַשּׁוּר--יַחְדָּו.
19
I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the acacia-tree, and the myrtle, and the oil-tree; I will set in the desert the cypress, the plane-tree, and the larch together;
כ לְמַעַן יִרְאוּ וְיֵדְעוּ, וְיָשִׂימוּ וְיַשְׂכִּילוּ יַחְדָּו--כִּי יַד-יְהוָה, עָשְׂתָה זֹּאת; וּקְדוֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל, בְּרָאָהּ. {פ}
20
That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it

 

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NOTE: If just tuning in start with post #29 for my concluding literal interpretation of "between the evenings" as well as the literal timeline of Passover and Unleavened Bread. FWIW, the Non-Denom's posts are less than helpful (e.g. replacing "until" with "thru") as there isn't an English Bible translation that uses through ("thru") instead of "until" unless he's published his own translation

Perhaps our Non-Denom is still upset with my posted image of the Lamb Of Yahweh (post #21). It wasn't long after posting that artist's discreet rendering that i was accused of having Catholic relations (which i don't) after posting the Lamb of Yahweh slain in the afternoon of Aviv 14. The same time the perfect Paschal lamb was slain (man's Talmud timeline, not Yahweh's timeline).

1 Corinthians 1:18 (Complete Jewish Bible)
For the message about the execution-stake is nonsense to those in the process of being destroyed, but to us in the process of being saved it is the power of God.

Isaiah 53:3-5 (CJB)
3 People despised and avoided him, a man of pains, well acquainted with illness. Like someone from whom people turn their faces, he was despised; we did not value him.
4 In fact, it was our diseases he bore,
our pains from which he suffered; yet we regarded him as punished, stricken and afflicted by God.
5 But he was wounded because of our crimes, crushed because of our sins; the disciplining that makes us whole fell on him, and by his bruises we are healed.​

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. . . Yahweh's instructions according to the sunrise timeline from the Israelites in Egypt 430 years . . .
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Moshe grew up in an Egyptian home and culture that worshiped the sun. The verse that caught my attention to sunrise as the beginning of the Israelites (24 hour) day was verse 10 ...

Exodus 12:10 (CJB)
Let nothing of it remain till morning; if any of it does remain, burn it up completely.​

The Israelites and Moshe had adapted to the Egyptian 24 hour day beginning at sunrise.
Aviv 14 began at sunrise with the lambs being slaughtered at twilight with any remains burned before sunrise. Aviv 15 began with the Egyptians wailing with pain over the death of their first born sons with Passover of the death angel at midnight on Aviv 14.

It probably wasn't long after sunrise at the beginning of Aviv 15, that the Israelites started plundering Egyptians, as Moshe instructed, them getting gold and other valuables before they would leave Egypt. That scenario could have well lasted a good portion of the day with the Egyptians pleading with the Israelites to leave Egypt to worship their Elohim GOD.

Exodus 12:13-15 (JPS Tanakh 1985)
13 And the blood on the houses where you are staying shall be a sign for you: when I see the blood I will pass over you, so that no plague will destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. (Aviv 14)
14 This day shall be to you one of remembrance: you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD throughout the ages; you shall celebrate it as an institution for all time. (Aviv 14)
15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread; on the very first day you shall remove leaven from your houses, for whoever eats leavened bread from the first day to the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. (Aviv 14 thru Aviv 20 is seven days)
16 You shall celebrate a sacred occasion on the first day, and a sacred occasion on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them; only what every person is to eat, that alone may be prepared for you. (Aviv 14 and Aviv 20)

. . . to be continued tomorrow . . .​

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NOTE: If just tuning in start with post #29 for my concluding literal interpretation of "between the evenings" as well as the literal timeline of Passover and Unleavened Bread. FWIW, the Non-Denom's posts are less than helpful (e.g. replacing "until" with "thru") as there isn't an English Bible translation that uses through ("thru") instead of "until" unless he's published his own translation

Perhaps our Non-Denom is still upset with my posted image of the Lamb Of Yahweh (post #21). It wasn't long after posting that artist's discreet rendering that i was accused of having Catholic relations (which i don't) after posting the Lamb of Yahweh slain in the afternoon of Aviv 14. The same time the perfect Paschal lamb was slain (man's Talmud timeline, not Yahweh's timeline).

1 Corinthians 1:18 (Complete Jewish Bible)
For the message about the execution-stake is nonsense to those in the process of being destroyed, but to us in the process of being saved it is the power of God.

Isaiah 53:3-5 (CJB)
3 People despised and avoided him, a man of pains, well acquainted with illness. Like someone from whom people turn their faces, he was despised; we did not value him.
4 In fact, it was our diseases he bore,
our pains from which he suffered; yet we regarded him as punished, stricken and afflicted by God.
5 But he was wounded because of our crimes, crushed because of our sins; the disciplining that makes us whole fell on him, and by his bruises we are healed.​

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. . . Yahweh's instructions according to the sunrise timeline with the Israelites in Egypt 430 years . . .
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Moshe grew up in an Egyptian home and culture that worshiped the sun. The verse that caught my attention to sunrise as the beginning of the Israelites 24 hour day was verse 10 ...

Exodus 12:10 (CJB)
Let nothing of it remain till morning; if any of it does remain, burn it up completely.​

The Israelites and Moshe had adapted to the Egyptian 24 hour day beginning at sunrise.
Aviv 14 began at sunrise with the lambs being slaughtered at twilight with any remains burned before sunrise. Aviv 15 began with the Egyptians wailing with pain over the death of their first born sons with Passover of the death angel at midnight on Aviv 14.

It probably wasn't long after sunrise at the beginning of Aviv 15 that the Israelites with greeted by Egyptians giving them gold and other valuables if only they would leave Egypt. That senario could have well lasted a good portion of the day with the Egyptians coming to Goshen to persuade the Israelites to leave Egypt to worship their Elohim, Yahweh.

Exodus 12:13-15 (JPS Tanakh 1985)
13 And the blood on the houses where you are staying shall be a sign for you: when I see the blood I will pass over you, so that no plague will destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. (Aviv 14)
14 This day shall be to you one of remembrance: you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD throughout the ages; you shall celebrate it as an institution for all time. (Aviv 14)
15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread; on the very first day you shall remove leaven from your houses, for whoever eats leavened bread from the first day to the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. (Aviv 14 thru Aviv 20 is seven days)
16 You shall celebrate a sacred occasion on the first day, and a sacred occasion on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them; only what every person is to eat, that alone may be prepared for you. (Aviv 14 and Aviv 20)

. . . to be continued tomorrow . . .​

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Leviticus 23:6

 

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7 trees covering an unleavened field.

Isaiah 41:19

[ I will put in the wilderness the cedar, the acacia, the myrtle, and the olive. I will set in the desert the cypress, the plane and the pine together, ]
יט אֶתֵּן בַּמִּדְבָּר אֶרֶז שִׁטָּה, וַהֲדַס וְעֵץ שָׁמֶן; אָשִׂים בָּעֲרָבָה, בְּרוֹשׁ תִּדְהָר וּתְאַשּׁוּר--יַחְדָּו.
19
I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the acacia-tree, and the myrtle, and the oil-tree; I will set in the desert the cypress, the plane-tree, and the larch together;
כ לְמַעַן יִרְאוּ וְיֵדְעוּ, וְיָשִׂימוּ וְיַשְׂכִּילוּ יַחְדָּו--כִּי יַד-יְהוָה, עָשְׂתָה זֹּאת; וּקְדוֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל, בְּרָאָהּ. {פ}
20
That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it

I once exclaimed to an excellent friend how to maintain a garden till the shade gives rise to the cool of a certain yom(day).

With hope I wonder if they still stand firm with a gift known as a staff handed from generation to generation.

And Maintain the feild till the Trees fruit

Blessings Always

 

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Olive reminds me of the fruit perserverance.

Blessings Always

 

[AbbaLove]

The confusion is when "until" (up to) is replaced by Non-Denom with "thru" (including) by Non-Denom. There is no Hebrew scholar that would ever condone support such an irresponsible position.

 

[AbbaLove]

Exodus 12:6 (JPS Tanakh Sefaria, 1985)
וְהָיָ֤ה לָכֶם֙ לְמִשְׁמֶ֔רֶת עַ֣ד אַרְבָּעָ֥ה עָשָׂ֛ר י֖וֹם לַחֹ֣דֶשׁ הַזֶּ֑ה וְשָׁחֲט֣וּ אֹת֗וֹ כֹּ֛ל קְהַ֥ל עֲדַֽת־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל בֵּ֥ין הָעַרְבָּֽיִם׃
You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month; and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight. (14 Abib)
Exodus 12:10 (JPS Tanakh Sefaria, 1985)
וְלֹא־תוֹתִ֥ירוּ מִמֶּ֖נּוּ עַד־בֹּ֑קֶר וְהַנֹּתָ֥ר מִמֶּ֛נּוּ עַד־בֹּ֖קֶר בָּאֵ֥שׁ תִּשְׂרֹֽפוּ׃
You shall not leave any of it over until morning; if any of it is left until morning, you shall burn it. (any remains removed before morning)
Exodus 12:18 (JPS Tanakh Sefaria, 1985)
בָּרִאשֹׁ֡ן בְּאַרְבָּעָה֩ עָשָׂ֨ר י֤וֹם לַחֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ בָּעֶ֔רֶב תֹּאכְל֖וּ מַצֹּ֑ת עַ֠ד י֣וֹם הָאֶחָ֧ד וְעֶשְׂרִ֛ים לַחֹ֖דֶשׁ בָּעָֽרֶב׃
In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. (not "thru" nor including the evening of 21 Abib)

Definition of "until" as up to, but not including the point in time/event being mentioned.
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What also adds confusion is the pharisaical leaders of the Sanhedrin defining "between the evenings" (i.e. twilight) instead as "the afternoon" (from noon to sunset) based on man's oral law (Talmud) instead of Yahweh's instruction (Exodus 12:6) from sundown to darkness (twilight).