Best Video To Send To Non-Believers On Morality

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
so because people deny whats been in place from creation that means morality isnt real wow...morality
mə-răl′ĭ-tē, mô-
noun
The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct.
Virtuous conduct.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

You can claim all you like that there was " creation" as per Bible,
and that something has been in place ever since.
That gets you to the same place you will get to find morea
of the gold books of Mormon. Nowhere.

There is no evidence whatever that any of it is so,
except in a book.

Much of what is in the book is demonstrably untrue.

So, no. Fail.

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
weird others can understand

For clarity is good to use standard English, if you are capable of it.
It also shows some respect for your audience.

Leaving out the comma after " weird" , btw, means that
the onesw ho understand you are weird.
Perhaps that's what you intended : D

Gregory95 · Oct 13, 2022

Estrid said:
You can claim all you like that there was " creation" as per Bible,
and that something has been in place ever since.
That gets you to the same place you will get to find morea
of the gold books of Mormon. Nowhere.

There is no evidence whatever that any of it is so,
except in a book.

Much of what is in the book is demonstrably untrue.

So, no. Fail.

so then AGAIN why is murder rape and child abuse bad....you still have yet to tell me that...

Gregory95 · Oct 13, 2022

Estrid said:
For clarity is good to use standard English, if you are capable of it.
It also shows some respect for your audience.

Leaving out the comma after " weird" , btw, means that
the onesw ho understand you are weird.
Perhaps that's what you intended : D

lol do you read Saul Alinsky or is this just a coincidence ?

Tinker Grey · Oct 13, 2022

"morality is subjective" ≠ "morality isn't real"

Gregory95 · Oct 13, 2022

Tinker Grey said:
"morality is subjective" ≠ "morality isn't real"

subjective adjective
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sub·jec·tive | \ (ˌ)səb-ˈjek-tiv \
Definition of subjective (Entry 1 of 2)
1: of, relating to, or constituting a subject: such as
aobsolete : of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness
b: being or relating to a grammatical subject
especially : NOMINATIVE
2: of or relating to the essential being of that which has substance, qualities, attributes, or relations
3a: characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind : PHENOMENAL
— compare OBJECTIVE sense 2a
b: relating to or being experience or knowledge as conditioned by personal mental characteristics or states
4a(1): peculiar to a particular individual : PERSONAL
subjective judgments
(2): modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background
a subjective account of the incident
b: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli
subjective sensations
c: arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes
a subjective symptom of disease
— compare OBJECTIVE sense 2c
5: lacking in reality or substance : ILLUSORY

Gregory95 · Oct 13, 2022

Tinker Grey said:
"morality is subjective" ≠ "morality isn't real"

if morality is subjective how is truth not subjective? for TRUTH determines if somthing is acctually moral...ie one could make the cause utopianism could be achived if [blank] how do you know if what its saying to do would be immorial...for if morality is subjective THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS....if its a "good" cause....

Gregory95 · Oct 13, 2022

Tinker Grey said:
"morality is subjective" ≠ "morality isn't real"

most villians are NOT the villian in their own mind

Tinker Grey · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
if morality is subjective how is truth not subjective? for TRUTH determines if somthing is acctually moral...ie one could make the cause utopianism could be achived if [blank] how do you know if what its saying to do would be immorial...for if morality is subjective THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS....if its a "good" cause....

"truth" ≠ "morality". These are not synonyms.

Tinker Grey · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
most villians are NOT the villian in their own mind

That's exactly right, because ... wait for it ... morality is subjective.

Gregory95 · Oct 13, 2022

Tinker Grey said:
That's exactly right, because ... wait for it ... morality is subjective.

or wait for it they are wrong...because morality states their actions make them a villian ...

Tinker Grey · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
or wait for it they are wrong...because morality states their actions make them a villian ...

No. They're wrong because the rest of society says they are wrong.

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
so then AGAIN why is murder rape and child abuse bad....you still have yet to tell me that...

So you change the subject from what I said with what you
think is a gotcha.
Fail.

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Tinker Grey said:
"truth" ≠ "morality". These are not synonyms.

Better put in a dictionary quote for the literacy- challenged among us

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
lol do you read Saul Alinsky or is this just a coincidence ?

Always trying to deflect. Not something
honest people favour.

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
or wait for it they are wrong...because morality states their actions make them a villian ...

Morality can speak. Droll.

Astrid · Oct 13, 2022

Tinker Grey said:
No. They're wrong because the rest of society says they are wrong.

I've been beaten and raped.
I didn't need a code of morality from god to
notice there was something wrong with it.

No doubt he thought the whole thing was just right.

Tinker Grey · Oct 13, 2022

Estrid said:
I've been beaten and raped.
I didn't need a code of morality from god to
notice there was something wrong with it.

No doubt he thought the whole thing was just right.

no doubt

DaisyDay · Oct 13, 2022

Gregory95 said:
much speak for someone who dont even know what they are saying...semantics noun
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se·man·tics | \ si-ˈman-tiks \
plural in form but singular or plural in construction
Definition of semantics
1: the study of meanings:
a: the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development
b(1): SEMIOTICS
(2): a branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they refer to and including theories of denotation, extension, naming, and truth

Okay, and?

Gregory95 said:
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se·man·tics | \ si-ˈman-tiks \
plural in form but singular or plural in construction
Definition of semantics

1: the study of meanings:
a: the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development
b(1): SEMIOTICS
(2): a branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they refer to and including theories of denotation, extension, naming, and truth

Okay, okay...And?

Gregory95 said:
(not coming at you) just so everyone is aware
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se·man·tics | \ si-ˈman-tiks \
plural in form but singular or plural in construction
Definition of semantics

1: the study of meanings:
a: the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development
b(1): SEMIOTIC
(2): a branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they refer to and including theories of denotation, extension, naming, and truth

Okay, okay, okay....and?

Gregory95 said:
my question to you makes senses...you dont understand because you dont study thus i asked if you even study...when it was well apparent you dont did i not ask if you would like me to explain in more secular way...however at the end of day are you not on CHRISTIAN forms? so my apolagizes for a non secular first approch ....

It was an aggressively rude question. It may very well make senses to you, but it shows no understanding of what I was getting at; none. You continue to not show any understanding and, even more, no interest in understanding.

I have been on CF nearly 15 years longer than you have, so save that lecture for someone who might be impressed by your telling them where they're posting.

Gregory95 said:
i dont understand being so hostile you get irritated by these things....i dont get irritated at followers of quran or Jews or any other preaching to me...i just try to understand one another and find the truth ... so
semiotics

I haven't been hostile to you, but I prefer being talked to rather than preached at. You asked if I would prefer a 'more secular' explanation, but bristle when I tell you "yes" and why.
glossology

Kylie · Oct 13, 2022

Tranquil Bondservant said:
You didn't quite get what I was meaning, I'll try and explain it with a question. Could you please prove that 1+1=2?
The reason that 1+1=2 is because of the logical system of mathematics, which you can't prove is true due to it being intangible. It exists only within the mind, similar to how you would view morality (which is why I said your line of reasoning works against itself).

If I have one thing and then I add another one thing, I end up with two things.

And I believe that in "Principles of Mathematics", Russel and Whitehead proved that 1+1=2.

Yes it would be subjective for God but God created all of existence, all of the knowable universe and all that we could possibly know. He Himself is self existent, The Creator without a beginning or end, eternal. This being the case means that everything material traces back to Him as the source of all existence, including morality. If God created everything so that murder is wrong, then it's wrong because He determines what is and why it is. So it would still be authoritative for us as we are His creation.

Irrelevant.

If I create a computer program, do I get to objectively decide what is moral within that program?

But if someone who didn't have empathy for the same things you did murdered and stole they would still be as correct morally as you are due to you both sharing the exact same reason for your morals being 'right', that being evolution. For example you cannot say that Rome as a nation which had a policy of crucifying people were wrong, only different. Only that you disagree (due to arbitrary preference). If that is your position then that's ok and I suppose I'd commend you on your consistency. If it's not then anything else would be to assume a moral truth (which would make it universal).

I'll link a couple of posts that explain where I'm coming from a bit better. Don't feel like you have to read it or continue responding if you don't feel like it. I like discussing this stuff so I could go for hours but I know it can get tedious for most people and I don't want you to feel obliged or like you've "lost" if you don't answer. There's nothing to lose as I view it as a discussion rather than a debate. We're going to disagree fundamentally on morality because I believe morals can be true due to the nature of truth, whereas your worldview doesn't allow for moral truth (which allows atrocities to perpetuate because you cannot say they are wrong, only that you disagree based upon personal preference). But one thing I've found is that Atheists rarely have to defend the coherence and implications of their moral stances because most people aren't equipped to go on the attack. Epistemology related things can be hard and super convoluted.

I'm not quite sure the hyperlink format on this forum yet as I'm still new and working stuff out so they will be long links but they are to a single post:
Best Video To Send To Non-Believers On Morality
Best Video To Send To Non-Believers On Morality
Best Video To Send To Non-Believers On Morality
Best Video To Send To Non-Believers On Morality

The last three are more pertinent to the discussion than the first as I've already established it. God bless .

Yes, I believe my "don't mug people" morality is correct, and the mugger believes their "it's okay to mug people" view is correct. But I'm sure the mugger would quickly change his tune if he was the victim of the mugging.

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