BENNY HINN - The Anointing

[mrhappy3]

His book is really interesting, it's my 3rd reading in 15 years.

But I wonder if he contract's himself in some places.

Page - 91

"The power of God comes upon you - it stays with you" - The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Page - 112

"The Priestly anointing (what he equates to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit) or the presence of God, can be lost through sin, so must be renewed daily.


He uses ACTS 1v8 for both instances.

He says that the presence can go, but the gift can remain.

Has he overlapped the two ?

Or am I missing something ?

any ideas ?

 

[Yitzchak]

There is always the possibility that the answer is just the fact that he is wrong in his teaching.
But with that said. Just because things seem to contradict , does not mean that they actually do. There are many things in the scripture which on the surface seem to contradict. People have written books about the difficult passages. And yet we know that the scripture is true.
So when we come to a contradiction , we don't just make a snap judgment. But we dig deeper and examine it closely.

 

[Yitzchak]

My opinion, Benny got this one wrong.
He is a little sloppy in his theology. But please take what I say in context. I am not saying that Benny Hinn is from the devil or all that kind of stuff. I am just saying people have their gifts and I don't think that Benny Hinn's gift is teaching deeper theology.
Not that I expect him to take my advice but I think Benny Hinn would fare better if he placed himself in partnership with some who are strong in teaching and doctrine and spent his time laying hands upon the sick. Just because someone moves in the gift of healing does not mean they have good theology. I think this is what has gotten Benny Hinn into trouble over the years. He should really ideally be under a church and have someone else handling the money and the doctrine and just take his place as a healing Evangelist within that framework.
The problem is Benny Hinn is not an apostle like the apostle Paul who had signs and wonders to back up his ministry. He is a Healing Evangelist. A lot of people get saved and healed through his ministry but Benny Hinn does not set up strong churches. He moves on. He should leave the establishing of churches to those called to do so.
Best not to go to Benny Hinn for theology.

 

[Yitzchak]

With all that said ,...I hope Benny Hinn is used to heal many more and inspire people to believe God that the impossible is actually possible through The Holy Spirit.

 

[mrhappy3]

YOU are a very wise man Yitzchak - I always enjoy reading your balanced and common sense posts.

more power to you mate !

Thanks...

 

[Jpark]

Never mind.

 

[mrhappy3]

He talks about the lepers and the the priestly anointing - (born again and baptised in the Spirit).

Then he talks about the kingly anointing. (which involves being used clean and dead to self for the "weightier" anointing.

I can understand all that.

What I want to know is......

Can you go from the lepers to the kingly, WITHOUT going through the priestly..????

Now THERES a thought !

 

[Uptown Girl]

He says that the presence can go, but the gift can remain.

I believe the opposite is true; the presence of God stays, but our gifts can come and go.

I am not a Benny Hinn fan. I don't believe his teachings come from a pure heart. I know this is not a thread for or against him (and won't be debating it)... but wanted to add that to support my comment.

 

[Faulty]

He is not lying. The presence of God can be lost. Ever wonder why he got those prophecies wrong? Or those healings failed? That's because he did not repent of his sins which is why the prophesies came from his own thoughts and/or no healing took place.

When he goes on that stage, the Holy Spirit comes upon him if he has repented. If he has not repented, he is ordinary. When the healings are done, he is a ordinary person again.

Is this something you can back up, or is it a theory?

 

[mrhappy3]

He talks about the lepers and the the priestly anointing - (born again and baptised in the Spirit).

Then he talks about the kingly anointing. (which involves being used clean and dead to self for the "weightier" anointing.

I can understand all that.

What I want to know is......

Can you go from the lepers to the kingly, WITHOUT going through the priestly..????

Now THERES a thought !

I notice this particular question has you all stumped.

ho-hum.

back to the prayer closset !

 

[Yitzchak]

I notice this particular question has you all stumped.

ho-hum.

back to the prayer closset !

I think it is a Weslean teaching with a twist. Salavtion is considered a work of grace. Pentecostals teach that there is second work of grace , the baptism of The Holy Spirit. Weslean's teach that there is a second work of grace , entire sanctification. I think there are some that teach that there are three works of grace. Sounds similar to what Benny Hinn is teaching. But I am not sure the details of Benny Hinn's teaching on entire sanctification.

 

[mrhappy3]

Yes - we appear to be getting closer....

Good.


PS: Don't worry MATT THE KERUX.....all is well !

 

[Yitzchak]

I have fellowshiped with some Weslyeans and Holiness people and have to admit that they obtained a power in The Spirit that is rare. Obviously they must have tapped into something. I know 50 years ago , Pentecostals emphasized holiness much more than they do now.
I have to agree with the basic idea at least. We only get so far until we embrace consecration and holiness.

 

[mrhappy3]

Well said mate !

Now we are cooking !

 

[mrhappy3]

It makes you wonder whether the Pentecostal experience is required...to tap into the REAL power.

If we all led "holier" lives, maybe it would "fall".

On the other hand who is to say these people (the wesleyan) were not baptised in the Spirit (bar tongues of course!)

Oh the questions !

 

[SharonL]

Sorry Mr. Happy - I can't answer your question - but as far as the anointing goes I think the anointing comes as God sees where it is needed -

An example - I had a good friend who was walking young in her ministry - she put together a meeting, had a minister who is wonderful, we all worked very hard to get it all together and bring the minister in from out of town - several of us went in prior to the meeting to pray and you could feel the Holy Spirit very strong - when it came time for the meeting - my friend just turned the meeting over to her brother and left to go to the airport to pick someone up- well you could feel the Holy Spirit leave that meeting so strong it was almost visible.

The organist had problems with the music, the minister was flat and the meeting bombed. It was obvious that this was not what God wanted from that meeting, so I think the anointing is not something that is always with a person if they are not in the Will of God.

 

[Yitzchak]

It makes you wonder whether the Pentecostal experience is required...to tap into the REAL power.

If we all led "holier" lives, maybe it would "fall".

On the other hand who is to say these people (the wesleyan) were not baptised in the Spirit (bar tongues of course!)

Oh the questions !

I think there is value in both. The Pentecostal doctrine and liturgy do favor moves of the Spirit.

 

[mrhappy3]

Sorry Mr. Happy - I can't answer your question - but as far as the anointing goes I think the anointing comes as God sees where it is needed -

An example - I had a good friend who was walking young in her ministry - she put together a meeting, had a minister who is wonderful, we all worked very hard to get it all together and bring the minister in from out of town - several of us went in prior to the meeting to pray and you could feel the Holy Spirit very strong - when it came time for the meeting - my friend just turned the meeting over to her brother and left to go to the airport to pick someone up- well you could feel the Holy Spirit leave that meeting so strong it was almost visible.

The organist had problems with the music, the minister was flat and the meeting bombed. It was obvious that this was not what God wanted from that meeting, so I think the anointing is not something that is always with a person if they are not in the Will of God.

Thanks for that mom !

 

[mrhappy3]

I think there is value in both. The Pentecostal doctrine and liturgy do favor moves of the Spirit.

cheers !

 

[Yitzchak]

Asuza street-

The great majority of the early pentecostal believers, influenced by their former holiness connections, accepted the teaching concerning sanctification as a second definite work of grace, "definite experience" in which a man is cleansed from "inbred sin" and the sinful nature is eradicated. [1] The early pentecostal leaders like Charles F. Parhan of Kansas and W. J. Seymour, the apostle of Azusa Street, adopted the position of the Fire-Baptized Holiness group, founded by B. H. Irwin, who taught three definite works of grace or experiences: the new birth, sanctification and the "baptism of fire," the last experience being interpreted according to Acts 2:4. [2] Sanctification as a "second blessing" which cleansed the seeker from inbred sin prepared for a third experience, the reception of the Holy Spirit. They taught that one must be entirely sanctified to be filled with the Holy Spirit, for He will not fill an unclean vessel. The southern holiness denominations, led by King, Mason, and Tomlinson, had been founded as the result of the second work controversy in Methodism. [3]

As the pentecostal movement spread, a large number of men began to enter the movement from non-holiness backgrounds, notably from the Baptist Church. They knew nothing of the "second blessing" and understood sanctification as a continuous process, i.e., they taught the "progressive" nature of sanctification and not "instantaneous" act or experience. Such a man was William H. Durham of Chicago, Illinois. He was the pastor of the well known North Avenue Mission in Chicago. In 1907 he traveled to Los Angeles and Azusa Street as a skeptic. He returned as an ardent proponent of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues. The supernatural experiences at Azusa Street Mission had overwhelmed him. They revolutionized his ministry at the modest mission on North Avenue. "People began to come in considerable numbers. Soon our little place would not hold them... We had meetings every night -- sometimes all night." [4]