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Yea? Can you share more on your experience, Hal? I am interested in this.Greetings! I have experience seeing someone delivered from an evil spirit and someone healed when all I did was pray in tongues.
Actually, I think every Pentecostal or Charismatic group I've run with has believed that people can and have in fact believed and recieved the Spirit in the same night, same minute, second, or whatever time quantum we wish to choose. BUT, as we agree, we cannot read the Book of Acts and then conclude that they are the same event--possibly, neither that they occur in the same instant, which is not a measure of time, but rather an indivisible, dimensionless point dividing yes and no. (for all the Calculas buffs, an instant is the limit as t goes to 0 from the positive sideAndrew said:Agreed. Most charismatics believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a subsequent experience for the Christian. But the 2 events can take place simultaneously, as in Cornelius' case.
I have to disagree here. Those in the upper room were "tarrying" precisely becos Jesus told them to wait until the Spirit was poured out into the earth (a one-time event yet to happen). Now, this has already happened.
The Spirit HAS already been poured out. He is on the earth now. So there is no need for the Christian to wait for days or even months or years. That was the old Pentecostal belief -- waiting, tarrying, seeking, beggin, crying, repenting, trying to become holy enough to receive -- etc.
The WOF movt now knows that's not necessarcy becos He's already been given. We just have to receive by faith. Notice too in Acts, the other new believers never had to wait or seek to be Spirit baptised. It happened immediately when hands were laid.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the being sealed with the Holy Spirit at the new birth is not the same as the being Baptizied (full immersion into) in the Holy Spirit...He put me back together said:Again, the Spirit is NOT recieved when the believer decides that he has come, but when he actually does come.
Bic said:This is such an interesting subject. I grew up with not much religious training but what I did have was different than what I am now.
The first time I heard people speaking in tongues I was frightened and wanted to run from the church s fast as I could. I did not understand it at all. I was not saved at the time but I was searching and a friend recommended this church to me. I turned around and asked him what those people were saying and he told me that he could not interpret it but took me up front to a woman who could explain it to me. She asked me if I was saved and I told her that I had said the prayer many times but it never took. She then took me through the sinners prayer and when it came to the part about forgiving myself (not others) I had trouble and starting backing away. She told me not to give up now and when I finally felt I could forgive myself it felt like the weight of the world was lifted off me. It took me a long time to get the gift of tongues and I will explain the will (His or mine) to pray that way like this. Last week I woke up praying in toques. I didn't know who I was praying for but I knew it was not me. I was feeling great pain and anguish. The next day I found out that a friend from church's son was found dead in his car after three weeks of being missing. I firmly believe that the Holy Spirit gives us the utterance. I give all the glory to God and Thank Him for everything.
Sorry this was so long but it has special meaning for me.
Blessings, Bic
look said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the being sealed with the Holy Spirit at the new birth is not the same as the being Baptizied (full immersion into) in the Holy Spirit...
Yea? Can you share more on your experience, Hal? I am interested in this.Greetings! I have experience seeing someone delivered from an evil spirit and someone healed when all I did was pray in tongues.
I understand the gift of tongues it's biblical.Quaffer said:There is a prayer language between us and God and there is an unknown tongue that is for the building up of the body of believers. The latter is not at my will but by the will and timeing of the Holy Spirit.
A prayer language is not made up by "us". It is given by the Holy Spirit for all of the things listed above in the other posts?
The Spirit is always willing to make intercession for us, therefore, this prayer language can be used at any time in any place in any situation. . .at my will. If I choose not to use it, then I am denying myself the help that the Holy Spirit is very willing to give.
This has already pretty much been explained in previous posts.max-impact said:I gotta say that it annoys me when a pastor or TV
Evangelist starts speaking in tongues WITHOUT
interpretation. I seem to see a lot of this going on.
Are they trying to impress us with how “holy” they are?
I’m no theologian, but I believe my Bible says that tongues are
a private prayer language, and if it is used in public there needs to
be an interpretation of it.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Jeff C
Well, the Bible does not specifically call it a "prayer language", but it does describe what is being referred to as a prayer language.Anthony said:I understand the gift of tongues it's biblical.
What is this prayer languagewhere is it in the bible?
In 1 CO 14:2 & 4, Paul is discussing gifts and the gift of tongues, how does one split the the gift of tongues into a separate and distinct prayer language? I have no problem with the gift of tongues, foremost it is a gift given not requested and all the other rules and conditions which apply to the gift of tongues.Quaffer said:Well, the Bible does not specifically call it a "prayer language", but it does describe what is being referred to as a prayer language.
1 Cor 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:" It is our tongue speaking to God. "for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speakent mysteries". And this is done in the spirit. Our spirit, speaking to God in His realm.
1 Cor 14:4 "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;" Again, our spirit is being edified by speaking to God in His realm. Through this type of conversation with God (spirit to Spirit vs flesh to Spirit) our inner man is incouraged and strengthened. Our flesh is not searching for what to pray for because our spirit knows what to pray for and does it. Our flesh will pray for what it understands as a human that it needs, but our spirit will pray for the deeper things in God that it is so hungry and thirsty for.
In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.Quaffer said:This has already pretty much been explained in previous posts.
I will venture out to say that when "whoever" it is you've watched, stops speaking in tongues they start speaking in English and they are telling what God is showing to them. They may say, I see the Lord doing this or the Lord doing that. Or, I sense that the Lord wants to say this or that. Or they just start preaching and/or teaching. That could be viewed as the interpretation. And lest you think that one cannot interpret their own tongue please look at 1 Cor 14:13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that He may interpret".
Just because they don't make a big tado over and announce that "this is not the interpretation of what I just said" only shows that they are not showing off.
What is this prayer language where is it in the bible?
In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
well last saturday night i was going to a youth event with a pentecostal church who believed that speaking in tongues is required to prove that you've been saved. I was a skeptic, having never done it myself. but their leader gave me my own personal mini-sermon to try and convince me (he was partially successful). one of the points he made to me was that when you pray in tongues it's not about other people really...it's the spirit taking over and praying for you, so it's for your and god's benefit.In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
I agree Anthony. . .but I'm not going to forbid myself to speak in tongues just because of my drathers.Anthony said:In church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
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