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Beneath Jerusalum
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Pilgrimer
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There are actually two levels beneath the present-day street level. The old city was buried beneath 30 feet of rubble during the destruction by Rome following the Roman/Jewish war. Of all the vast buildings, not only atop the Temple Mount, but througout the city itself which included multi-storied public buildings as well as royal palaces and mansions, only three structures were left standing in the entire city; the Herodian towers that were once part of Herod's palace where the Roman legions camped for 200 years after the destruction of the city. The rest of the city and every building was razed to the gound. The present city is built on top of the rubble.
Below is a photo of the Tyropean street that ran north/south below the western retaining wall of the Temple Mount. The indentions in the pavement and broken pavers on the right side of the street near to the wall were caused by the tremendous stones that were pushed off the Temple Mount into the city streets below, seen piled up in the street in the background. The present-day street level can be seen at the top of the hill in the background.
The deep horizontal grooves cut into the retaining walls were commonly included in buildings. There were periods of heavy dew that would form on the stones in the cool evening air. The moisture would collect in the grooves and be funneled by a collection system into underground cisterns to supplement the city's water supply.
The drainage canals, water cisterns and maze of tunnels the FOX news link refers to being investigated and cleared lies beneath the old city street level.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
Below is a photo of the Tyropean street that ran north/south below the western retaining wall of the Temple Mount. The indentions in the pavement and broken pavers on the right side of the street near to the wall were caused by the tremendous stones that were pushed off the Temple Mount into the city streets below, seen piled up in the street in the background. The present-day street level can be seen at the top of the hill in the background.
The deep horizontal grooves cut into the retaining walls were commonly included in buildings. There were periods of heavy dew that would form on the stones in the cool evening air. The moisture would collect in the grooves and be funneled by a collection system into underground cisterns to supplement the city's water supply.
The drainage canals, water cisterns and maze of tunnels the FOX news link refers to being investigated and cleared lies beneath the old city street level.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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Pilgrimer
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You are quite welcome. Below is a view of the same section of street as it would have looked at the time of Jesus. The view is from a little further back in a reconstruction done by Leen Ritmeyer and UCLA for the Israel Antiquities Authority. I have worked for the IAA as a tour guide so I'm very familiar with these images. I added some markers to identify the things I'm mentioning. Notice that the four doorways in front of which the tour group stands in the above photo, are shown in the photo below as doors to shops built into the foundation of the "monumental stairway" that led up from the Tyropean Street and then turned and spanned across the street and gave access to the Temple gate that led into the Royal Portico.
Further down the street the next arch is one in a long system of arches that supported an elevated street (referred to as the "Causeway") which led to another gate in the western wall that allowed access to the Temple from the Upper City without having to go down into the Lower City and then climb back up to the Temple Mount. This section lies beneath what is today the "Western Wailing Wall Plaza."
Below is yet another reconstruction that shows the entire Temple Mount viewed from the Upper City looking east/northeast. Across the way you can see the monumental stairway at the southwest corner of the Temple Mount and to the left is the causeway leading over the lower city to the Temple Mount. I labeled a few landmarks in case you're not familiar with the layout of the city and Temple.
In the above photo you notice where the monumental stairway connects to the Temple Wall I placed a label "Spring Stones." In the photo below you can see what remains of these spring stones which were built into the wall and formed the "spring" for the arch that supported the stairway. This arch is called by archaeologists "Robinson's Arch," named after the archaeologist who discovered the spring stones and their purpose.
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