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Ben Shapiro is #1 on iTunes

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The rap song: "Facts"
Well, that just proves what my kids think of me, that they are smarter than me. I didn't come to the realization until 2020.

"The song, which goes after the establishment and mainstream media “sacred cows,”
 
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The rap song: "Facts"
Don't use iTunes here, so never knew this. More of a YouTube and mp3 guy here. Some folks my age (20s) convert YouTube audio into MP3 (not recommended if you want to support the artists and have the means to do so) or use Spotify Premium, to listen to music offline.

What ever happened to the days where somewhat generic pop songs got #1 on iTunes?
 
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It is a well-known and scientifically proven fact that the radical left has no sense of humor. It is mainly because they believe the punch lines to be true, and so do not get the jokes. :D
 
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It seems you can find "studies" to prove that either side has humor and the other doesn't. What seems to be more accurate is that liberals and conservatives tend to appreciate different types of humor.
It is equally funny when Snoops fact-checks a meme or some other joke as if it were presented as truth. It proves that the left cannot tell when we are playing or being serious. I am unsure what is at the root of this phenomenon, but it seems to be a real and re-occurring thing. Perhaps it has something to do with being out of touch with reality to start with, which would seriously skew their perception of what is humorous and what is an accusation/argument. It resembles the "run it up the flag pole and see who salutes" proverb. If they think it is real, they will be outraged and salute... if they see the joke, they laugh it off. On the other end of the seriousness spectrum is the proverb, "The wicked flee when no man pursues." Taking a joke as if it were serious is almost as good as an admission of guilt.
 
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It is equally funny when Snoops fact-checks a meme or some other joke as if it were presented as truth.

From what I can find online, it appears Snopes tends to be somewhat Centrist. Basically, conservatives complain about them being leftist, liberals complain about them being slanted toward conservatives, and independent groups that check for bias tend to find them Centrist.

It proves that the left cannot tell when we are playing or being serious. I am unsure what is at the root of this phenomenon, but it seems to be a real and re-occurring thing. Perhaps it has something to do with being out of touch with reality to start with, which would seriously skew their perception of what is humorous and what is an accusation/argument. It resembles the "run it up the flag pole and see who salutes" proverb. If they think it is real, they will be outraged and salute... if they see the joke, they laugh it off. On the other end of the seriousness spectrum is the proverb, "The wicked flee when no man pursues." Taking a joke as if it were serious is almost as good as an admission of guilt.

My experience is that both sides have fallen victim to complaining about satire. A good example of it on the right was Rep. Devin Nunes, who tried to sue parody accounts that were making fun of him, basically treating them as if they were serious (despite one claiming to be a cow owned by Nunes). I seem to recall Trump has reTweeted (or reTruthed) some parody Tweets. Rick Perry, who was Trump's Secretary of Energy, was fooled by parody and used it, thinking it was serious, in a speech he gave.

Again, let us not pretend that this is only those on the left.
 
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Aside from the slight novelty of it, who is genuinely listening to Ben Shapiro rap about woke culture? Is this really a thing on the right?
Shapiro is actually on it only fairly briefly. Here's the music video for those curious about the song itself:

The song's 3 minutes 12 seconds, and Shapiro's portion is from 1:09 to 1:36, which is only 15% of the song. Most of the song is performed by Tom MacDonald (it is, after all, "Tom McDonald feat. Ben Shapiro"), a singer/rapper known for making songs about controversial topics (he hasn't had any major hits before this, but has had a few of his songs enter Billboard Hot 100, albeit not very high). Ben Shapiro's performance is actually the weakest part of the song; compare his monotone in his portion with the energy MacDonald is bringing to the rest of it. But Shapiro's better known so he presumably brought a lot of attention to it that it wouldn't have gotten normally.

In regards to the popularity of the song, it seems to be tapping into what I've heard are basically "outrage buys". As it was explained to me, people buy music a lot less than they used to, instead listening to it on streaming services and such. So if there's a spike in purchases for something, it can get very high on the charts. Thus comes the "outrage buys", when people go to buy a song to try to show some kind of support for its message or the singer. We saw several cases of this last year, like how "Rich Men North of Richmond" came out of absolutely nowhere to hit #1 on the Billboard charts despite the singer being a complete unknown prior, because it was interpreted as an attack on liberals and got some promotion from conservatives, even being used at one of the Republican debates, which led to a lot of people buying it. (for the record, the singer denied this was his intention with the song, but at any rate that's how a lot of people interpreted it)

So I expect some of that is going on with this song. Heck, the song itself urges people to try to make it a hit, with one of Shapiro's lyrics being "All my people download this, let's get a Billboard number one".

Though aside from Ben Shapiro's weak performance, I thought it was a decent-sounding song musically, so I can see why people would, especially if they agree with its sentiments, really like it.
 
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It is a well-known and scientifically proven fact that the radical left has no sense of humor. It is mainly because they believe the punch lines to be true, and so do not get the jokes. :D
I’ve seen conservative “humor”. It’s where actual humor goes to die…
 
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I’ve seen conservative “humor”. It’s where actual humor goes to die…
Is there such a thing as "conservative" or "liberal" humor?

The thing about comedy is that laughter is an involuntary reaction which is somewhat separate from political ideology.

Pretending that comedy is or isn't funny based on the leanings of the artist makes about as much sense as when people were pretending that they loved or hated certain restaurants based on similar criteria.

In terms of the targets of the jokes, the guys who do it best and have the biggest followings tend to rip on everybody.
 
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I’ve seen conservative “humor”. It’s where actual humor goes to die…
Agreed. Heck, German humor is miles better compared to Ben's "humor" in my opinion. :) There is a whole running theme amongst Europeans that the Germans have a bland taste of humor. But, I am not German or reside in Europe, so regarding if German humor is bland or not, this is not my area to say.

BBC on German Humor [Article]: Why people think Germans aren’t funny
 
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Agreed. Heck, German humor is miles better compared to Ben's "humor" in my opinion. :) There is a whole running theme amongst Europeans that the Germans have a bland taste of humor. But, I am not German or reside in Europe, so regarding if German humor is bland or not, this is not my area to say.

BBC on German Humor [Article]: Why people think Germans aren’t funny
For some reason that's reminding me of a South Park episode
 
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For some reason that's reminding me of a South Park episode
Yeah. I don't watch South Park, as it is a bit too racist, but I did see the German humor clip on the internet a week ago. :)
 
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The rap song: "Facts"
Art and music has always been the expression of whats going on in the world. Dylan was great at this though in a completely different style more Folky than Rap. But its the same thing the song or piece of art can capture the times and that is why many go for it. It hasn't happened that often lately, I am not sure why.

Songs that say something to so many is usually associated with a movement or revolution. The Vietnam war brought many songs of the time that still linger today. I remember Lady Gaga and her hit 'Born this way' which you could say is an antham for the Left in some ways. "Rich Men North of Richmond" is another. I reckon just about all of U2 were anthams that spoke to a generation.

But I like how this song has a bit of humor and throws in a completely surprising aspect of having someone like Shapiro who most people wouldn't associate with rap. Its sort of art mimicking life mimicking art. Which when it comes to the most famous and profound artistic statements they usually involve some outrage and or a shock element.

It all seems to work and maybe this will be the start of a new movement of songs that speak to the people like in the 60's where the words actually represent what people are thinking and feeling at the time.
 
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Art and music has always been the expression of whats going on in the world. Dylan was great at this though in a completely different style more Folky than Rap. But its the same thing the song or piece of art can capture the times and that is why many go for it. It hasn't happened that often lately, I am not sure why.

Songs that say something to so many is usually associated with a movement or revolution. The Vietnam war brought many songs of the time that still linger today. I remember Lady Gaga and her hit 'Born this way' which you could say is an antham for the Left in some ways. "Rich Men North of Richmond" is another. I reckon just about all of U2 were anthams that spoke to a generation.

But I like how this song has a bit of humor and throws in a completely surprising aspect of having someone like Shapiro who most people wouldn't associate with rap. Its sort of art mimicking life mimicking art. Which when it comes to the most famous and profound artistic statements they usually involve some outrage and or a shock element.

It all seems to work and maybe this will be the start of a new movement of songs that speak to the people like in the 60's where the words actually represent what people are thinking and feeling at the time.
There's a saying: "let me write the songs of the world, and I won't care who writes it's laws"
 
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I find this song interesting, and Jordan Peterson’s breakdown of it was incredibly informative:


Basically Peterson’s argument is that conservative thinking is gendered, masculine, while woke thinking is female temperament gone wrong. I think there is some credence to the argument. I think if Dr. Peterson were to examine me, he would find that I am female with a masculine temperament. That really would come as no surprise, as I had to deal with double the amount of male humans growing up than female, and thus it’s actually easier to communicate with male individuals than female a lot of the time for me, relate to their interests, etc. It doesn’t help that my personality is naturally intense and confrontational either.

As for the song, it just strikes me as something that need to be said, even though I don’t 100% agree with it. It strikes me as an artistic and literary masterpiece that the academics will enshrine as their record of the “counter conservative movement of the early 2020s”. For the insanity of wokeism, this song presents a grand solution, a return to the male and female natural order.

I’ve also realized that, sometimes in life you do really have to play the “I don’t care if I offend you” card, that you have to walk through waves of people’s emotional resistance and agitation to get things done. If you spend your life tiptoeing around other people’s feelings, you’ll live your life impoverished, as many people are looking out for their own self-interest at your expense. Eventually you have to face that reality and also realize when it doesn’t apply, to distinguish between being taken advantage of, being controlled, win-win situations, and real love.

I also like the “I’m not ashamed because I’m white” line. Part of me wishes I can own it for myself, but after reading about all of history between people with different melanin shades, I honestly don’t want to think about race again. The DEI rhetoric around publishing makes me sick to my stomach. As far as what “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” means, I think it means to “include everyone else and exclude me.”

I also like the line about defunding the police - very creative. But despite all of this fascination with the song, I don’t really find it funny. Maybe I’ve spent too much time in secular university and I haven’t listened to enough rap. I think the only real rap artist I’ve ever followed big time is NF for obvious reasons. Instead, I think this song has a lot of important points that people need to hear and understand.

I do note that Tom met Ben and pushed him into making this song, and I really think that Tom really got the better end of enticing Ben into making it. Tom is probably making serious bank right now thanks to the extra attention from Ben’s audience, so that was a pro move from him. Ben might have a career in the music industry if he can get over the violin and criticizing everyone else’s bad content. He needs to evaluate his music listening habits and make better choices than trashy popular rap music. I think if he does that he will start realizing is potential as a music artist.
 
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