Ben Adam?

[x141]

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He can't, the same as I can't, it is the Spirit that leads, it is also The Spirit that interprets the Word, and rightly divides it. UNTIL, .........It becomes ONE IN YOU.

Just like the Word discerns between Soul, and spirit UNTIL there is UNITY between the two. What has been separated should eventually be United in Christ as ONE, the same as He and The Father are ONE.

That's when you will stop seeing after the flesh, and stop warring against the Word of The Spirit. But as long as there is division in you, there will be division you see. The same as Good and Evil, Life and Death, Light and Darkness.

To us it is becoming all the same in God, for to Him there is no difference.
But only will God permit this in you, when He is ready to take you beyond the basic Principles of Christ. Then you will see what we are really talking about.
And that is in no ways saying that your stupid, or anything else the enemy may want you to believe that we are saying against you. We were all there at one time or another, but we all grow, and change in Him. He is a River of Life that is NOT Stagnant EVER. Always moving, and always flowing.

I took this as it were for me and it is very, very refreshing ...

I am a maintenance man with a bundle of keys ... a housekeeper a few moments ago asked me if I had the keys to the supply closet ... I replied (jokingly but knowing what I had said, holding up my keys) ... I have the keys to everything and the father replied through her, then you have the keys to the dungeon, and the heavens opened to me when I replied, yes I do, and I ate freely of a tree of the garden.

 

[rdcast]

BYE
(unsubscribed)​

 

[seeingeyes]

I took this as it were for me and it is very, very refreshing ...

I am a maintenance man with a bundle of keys ... a housekeeper a few moments ago asked me if I had the keys to the supply closet ... I replied (jokingly but knowing what I had said, holding up my keys) ... I have the keys to everything and the father replied through her, then you have the keys to the dungeon, and the heavens opened to me when I replied, yes I do, and I ate freely of a tree of the garden.

That's awesome.

 

[x141]

your "one" is an island with no one to witness to.

I rather like this to, my own island of patmos/mortality surrounded by seas/double mindedness where I am turned to see the one in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks/week/woman/son ... the one in the midst ...

Jerusalem is to Israel what our soul is to our spirit and who we are to Christ.

Just a/one thought ...

 

[x141]

That's awesome.

I'm doing the dance ...

 

[Fireinfolding]

Are you out of your mind?
Boy! are you Way off. By no means am I saying that, you do not understand at all what I'm talking about, or why those women are mentioned here do you?

Boy, trying to speak spiritual things to carnal minds is impossible.

Which is not a new concept 2KnowHim

1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual

Heres what I dont understand,

Why on earth speak what a natural man cannot receive?

Now this has been a real headbanger of a question (for me) personally, and anyone can give their answer (because its not directed to you personally). But it is a question for those who count themselves to be more spiritual (whoever they be). Because we know Paul was one of the most spiritual men (and the greatest of teachers IMO). I think we'd all agree. However he (at least) tells us he utilized discernment in respects to who he was speaking to (and how) he could not speak unto them. If he was seeking his own edification (verses theirs) Im sure Paul could "fly" (over their heads) but refrains to do so in the Wisdom of God (and come down) even as our Lord did for us (so as to lift them up).

If Paul didnt discern their state (or ability to recieve) wouldnt they too have unsubscribed to him? (lol)

Because (to me) if using a picture of a mother (older and wiser) with a child (who might speak and understand as a child) wouldnt wisdom be used in ones communications? To speak in ways the child can understand (yet all the while) trying (adding just a little more) as they are able to receive it?

Because otherwise, using the milk or meat (analogy) wouldnt a mother (older and wiser) not be utilizing her wisdom if she said to an infant, heres a T bone steak (enjoy it!) and simply *because* (she has taken the attitude) that its just where "I am at" (or arrived to). And having this attitude (in age) without taking the infant (the receiver) into any consideration (whatsoever)?

Know what I mean? As if (where) such a mother exists in her arrived status (manifests) that wisdom by slapping down a T bone steak before her young (desiring milk) to grow by. I dont think anyone would disagree, its a ridiculous thought. No (caring) natural mother would ever do that to a young child. If so, she hasnt shown either wisdom or care for the younger (in her age).

This doesnt (at all) apply to what you have posted, I believe you have done well (in my opinion) to use the scriptures to show how you were seeing something. In respects to presenting it "any other way" (given the audience) and the forum ("christian scriptures") might appear to show a disregard. But in the immediate context of the hearer/ receiver a lack of discernment towards. This is why ( if you had wondered why) I will push that kind of speaking off (and away from me) on a public forum. And this when someone approaches me and tries "to fly" (as I might call it) in an audience of hearers who just cannot "go there". To me there just seems no purpose to delivering what "cannot" be received (when considering the audience) save only to edify one self. Now, thats just "how" I (personally) see it and am convicted over it. It would depend on "where" I am and the audience, but I did like how you showed the veil and the blood. That we might know him.... speaks similarly so in respects to carnal relations (to know) and conceiving, as it likewise speaks of knowing Him and his seed abiding in us.

 

[seeingeyes]

Which is not a new concept 2KnowHim

1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual

Heres what I dont understand,

Why on earth speak what a natural man cannot receive?

Now this has been a real headbanger of a question (for me) personally, and anyone can give their answer (because its not directed to you personally). But it is a question for those who count themselves to be more spiritual (whoever they be). Because we know Paul was one of the most spiritual men (and the greatest of teachers IMO). I think we'd all agree. However he (at least) tells us he utilized discernment in respects to who he was speaking to (and how) he could not speak unto them. If he was seeking his own edification (verses theirs) Im sure Paul could "fly" (over their heads) but refrains to do so in the Wisdom of God (and come down) even as our Lord did for us (so as to lift them up).

If Paul didnt discern their state (or ability to recieve) wouldnt they too have unsubscribed to him? (lol)

Because (to me) if using a picture of a mother (older and wiser) with a child (who might speak and understand as a child) wouldnt wisdom be used in ones communications? To speak in ways the child can understand (yet all the while) trying (adding just a little more) as they are able to receive it?

Because otherwise, using the milk or meat (analogy) wouldnt a mother (older and wiser) not be utilizing her wisdom if she said to an infant, heres a T bone steak (enjoy it!) and simply *because* (she has taken the attitude) that its just where "I am at" (or arrived to). And having this attitude (in age) without taking the infant (the receiver) into any consideration (whatsoever)?

Know what I mean? As if (where) such a mother exists in her arrived status (manifests) that wisdom by slapping down a T bone steak before her young (desiring milk) to grow by. I dont think anyone would disagree, its a ridiculous thought. No (caring) natural mother would ever do that to a young child. If so, she hasnt shown either wisdom or care for the younger (in her age).

This doesnt (at all) apply to what you have posted, I believe you have done well (in my opinion) to use the scriptures to show how you were seeing something. In respects to presenting it "any other way" (given the audience) and the forum ("christian scriptures") might appear to show a disregard. But in the immediate context of the hearer/ receiver a lack of discernment towards. This is why ( if you had wondered why) I will push that kind of speaking off (and away from me) on a public forum. And this when someone approaches me and tries "to fly" (as I might call it) in an audience of hearers who just cannot "go there". To me there just seems no purpose to delivering what "cannot" be received (when considering the audience) save only to edify one self. Now, thats just "how" I (personally) see it and am convicted over it. It would depend on "where" I am and the audience, but I did like how you showed the veil and the blood. That we might know him.... speaks similarly so in respects to carnal relations (to know) and conceiving, as it likewise speaks of knowing Him and his seed abiding in us.

I think it is very true that Paul was careful about speaking to his audience and not just casting the pearls of God's wisdom before swine. Look at his address to Athens in Acts: “Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you."

There are those who would say to Paul, "well, what were you doing wandering around in pagan temples?! Don't you know that the light has nothing to do with the darkness?!" And off they would go to start their own church.

I think that Paul had this freedom in Christ because Christ had this freedom, too. Jesus wasn't afraid of getting his hands dirty by healing on the Sabbath (or eating with 'dirty' hands for that matter). When he taught the people, he met them where they were. He didn't argue endlessly about the nature of the afterlife, or the mechanics of justification, or the precise method by which we are sanctified. All of those doctrines were beside the point. He just said, "follow me".

For those who truly believe that all things are clean for the clean, the onus is on them to bring the message into the language of their audience. That's no guarantee of being understood, of course (just ask Jesus), but we have to recognize that going into a pagan temple for the sake of speaking knowledgeably to our audience looks exactly the same from the outside as going into a pagan temple to show reverence to a false god. But our God sees the heart.

It is those who have freedom that must be careful not to cause a brother to stumble.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I think it is very true that Paul was careful about speaking to his audience and not just casting the pearls of God's wisdom before swine. Look at his address to Athens in Acts: “Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you."

There are those who would say to Paul, "well, what were you doing wandering around in pagan temples?! Don't you know that the light has nothing to do with the darkness?!" And off they would go to start their own church.

He wasnt hanging out there for fellowship he was telling them to repent

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

A people sitting in darkness (then) too have seen a great light given Christ had made them a light to this world, and his message (to them) then was of something useful to them, wouldnt you agree?

The message was of repentance verses...

Acts 17:21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

I think that Paul had this freedom in Christ because Christ had this freedom, too. Jesus wasn't afraid of getting his hands dirty by healing on the Sabbath (or eating with 'dirty' hands for that matter). When he taught the people, he met them where they were. He didn't argue endlessly about the nature of the afterlife, or the mechanics of justification, or the precise method by which we are sanctified. All of those doctrines were beside the point. He just said, "follow me".

I agree with that, he did however reason of the following

Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

For those who truly believe that all things are clean for the clean, the onus is on them to bring the message into the language of their audience. That's no guarantee of being understood, of course (just ask Jesus), but we have to recognize that going into a pagan temple for the sake of speaking knowledgeably to our audience looks exactly the same from the outside as going into a pagan temple to show reverence to a false god. But our God sees the heart.

I hadnt considered this place of christian scriptures (in any of my comparisons) as a pagan temple, however yes God did see Pauls heart and Paul went in preaching something substantial (repentance) when all they did is sit around to either hear or speak some new thing amongst each other. That much is shown.

It is those who have freedom that must be careful not to cause a brother to stumble.

I agree with this also,

 

[2KnowHim]

I do understand what your saying Fire, and seeingeyes, and I humbly apologize if I have cause any hard feelings towards Rdcast.

That was not my intentions, I have still yet to learn how to deal with people on public forums.
I am "not" an Apostle therefore I've "not been sent" to anyone. I simply see what I see and voice it to whoever. I was mainly talking to X141 and got caught up in what I was seeing. If you were in front of me and I knew where you were coming from that is a different situation entirely. Sometimes we just don't know until the offense comes that we have stepped on one's toes.

I will be the first to admit, that I don't know how to talk milk, when I'm seeing T-Bone steak. I don't know how to speak to a public with such a vast multitude and I don't care too. My intentions when I come onto forums is to find those who I can have fellowship with and learn from where I am, into more, it's "not" to teach anyone or to persuade anyone to what I believe, because I know that is impossible. But I would like to say this for consideration. That, with Paul, was 2,000 yrs ago, and the church was very new, and he was sent to do what he did, I am not, other than to share what I have with others. If it is Truth, then how can it cause a brother to stumble?
I've never known Truth to cause someone to stumble have you?
Now on the other hand if it's not Truth, then that is on me, with God and I will face the consequences.

Again I am sorry for offending anyone, but I do not apologize for what He has shown me, and I must speak what I have, or even that may be taken from me, and I may not be given more. And believe it or not, there are those who is interested in what I have to share, and for this I rejoice.

Blessings to all

 

[rdcast]

And believe it or not, there are those who is interested in what I have to share, and for this I rejoice.

Blessings to all

Don't you mean "are". It is "who ARE interested in what I have to share"

 

[2KnowHim]

Don't you mean "are". It is "who ARE interested in what I have to share"

Whatever you say RD.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I do understand what your saying Fire, and seeingeyes, and I humbly apologize if I have cause any hard feelings towards Rdcast.

That was not my intentions, I have still yet to learn how to deal with people on public forums.
I am "not" an Apostle therefore I've "not been sent" to anyone. I simply see what I see and voice it to whoever. I was mainly talking to X141 and got caught up in what I was seeing. If you were in front of me and I knew where you were coming from that is a different situation entirely. Sometimes we just don't know until the offense comes that we have stepped on one's toes.

I will be the first to admit, that I don't know how to talk milk, when I'm seeing T-Bone steak. I don't know how to speak to a public with such a vast multitude and I don't care too. My intentions when I come onto forums is to find those who I can have fellowship with and learn from where I am, into more, it's "not" to teach anyone or to persuade anyone to what I believe, because I know that is impossible. But I would like to say this for consideration. That, with Paul, was 2,000 yrs ago, and the church was very new, and he was sent to do what he did, I am not, other than to share what I have with others. If it is Truth, then how can it cause a brother to stumble?
I've never known Truth to cause someone to stumble have you?
Now on the other hand if it's not Truth, then that is on me, with God and I will face the consequences.

Again I am sorry for offending anyone, but I do not apologize for what He has shown me, and I must speak what I have, or even that may be taken from me, and I may not be given more. And believe it or not, there are those who is interested in what I have to share, and for this I rejoice.

Blessings to all

You havent offended me (at all) 2Knowhim (just so you know) I thought you did well, and I also understand about desiring fellowship (which is rare here) so I wouldnt wanto put a damper on that. And there is also a forum for deeper fellowship if you hadnt checked it out. Just here (in christian scriptures) given it was rdcast's OP asking more understanding on the same, which I felt was delivered. He just appears to have just "become fustrated"

I think you did well trying to show something from scripture (although he might even dare to differ with me). I know I'll hide out in my PV to have fellowship (lol) or another forum or I might go privately (altogether) because theres like no such luck (here) out in the open (without) some kind of contention (flaring up). Especially when you have an audience of way more who might not understand verses a few that are understanding one another, thats our own choice to make. This is just a question had always bugged me though, I have been asking it for sometime, so I thought I would put it out there and just ask it here (given the context of the circumstances). And yes, I do realize everyone who is spiritual is not set for apostleship (agreed) lol definately not what I meant, I was just speaking more of following that example "others-ward" in way that they can be better helped to understand. Just adding those building blocks (which are sprung off of ) more often then not to get there (so to speak). I havent any qualms with how you used the scripture to try and show where you were coming from.

God bless you

 

[Fireinfolding]

Don't you mean "are". It is "who ARE interested in what I have to share"

How brilliant of you to adress a typo

 

[rdcast]

How brilliant of you to adress a typo

I was lead to do so

 

[rdcast]

Whatever you say RD.

 

[seeingeyes]

This thread went wildy of topic, right out of the gate, though, so it's free-for all at this point.

 

[rdcast]

This thread went wildy of topic, right out of the gate, though, so it's free-for all at this point.

Don't you mean "wildly off", It's "WILDLY OFF topic"

 

[seeingeyes]

Don't you mean "wildly off", It's "WILDLY OFF topic"

Yes, precisely.

 

[rdcast]

Yes, precisely.

show off, I was late in realizing I'd been had

 

[x141]

I fellowship with my 15 year old daughter and my 13 year old son almost everyday over these things and how it applies to our everyday living it out, let alone others I come in contact throughout the day and those I e-mail and talk on the phone with, (these things are ever before me).

The one's who become offended are always the ones that feel they see.

As for me, I am becoming more and more as the little child everyday, as the Father again and again opens things up to me to big for my brain to receive.