Yes, brother, I've read so many people on Christian forums talk about
the John 10:29 promise ... without considering the John 27 conditions of:
us hearing Jesus, Jesus knowing us, and us following Jesus.
To me you are completely disregarding our justification by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. It’s a gift lest anyone should boast Ephesians 2:8. Not only have we been justified but we’ve been made righteous as righteous as Christ. It’s through Christ’s finished work on the cross, not our work to try and not sin. All of our sins have been forgiven at the cross when we come to faith. And we are continually cleansed through the blood of Christ after we have come to faith as well. Sounds like you are saying to have true faith means to walk perfectly and never stumble or sin. Scripture teaches our identity as one born of the spirit is now in Christ a new creation, a Saint not a sinner. Paul address this and says since you have been cleansed since you are no longer an idolater or a liar, or a reviler walk that way. 1 Cor 6:8-11. Peter says in 2 Peter 5-9 that the fruits of the spirit will abound in our lives unless one is shortsighted even to blindness and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. Jesus said come to me all you who labor and I will give you rest. God wants those who are his to know they are and be confident that he who started a good work in them will complete it. Without that assurance the Christian life is one of condemnation, struggle, self effort, and listening to accusations of the evil one. God wants us to listen to what he says about us, that we are joint heirs with Christ, and we will reign with him, and right now spiritually, according to Ephesians and Colossians we are already seated in the heavenly‘s because we are in Christ. We are no longer in Adam but in Christ. Spiritually in the new creation, the new man, we are sinless, perfect, righteous, complete. But our bodies have not been redeemed, we still live in a fallen world and we still have an enemy Satan and the power of sin still exists. Paul says we have died to sin though, and reckon that to be true, that we can walk without sins power been over us. But it is a maturing growing process, our walk, and at times we do stumble and sin. With your theology every time we sin we’re no longer in Christ or no longer in the spirit. Paul says in Romans 8:9 “But you are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.” The natural progression of your theology is that every time we sin we lose the spirit. Nowhere does scripture say that. Actually that’s when We need the spirit working in us even more, and he does. Paul says in the last verse of the fusions Ephesians 6:24, “ Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ with incorruptible love”. Those who are in Christ love the Lord Jesus Christ with an incorrect about lo those who are in Christ love the Lord Jesus Christ with an incorruptible love. How can it be incorruptible? Because God is the source of the love. Romans 5:5 says, “ no hope does not disappoint because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us”. Salvation is of the Lord from start to finish we are the blessed recipients.
Who are you addressing in post #17, brother?God wants those who are his to know they are and be confident that he who started a good work in them will complete it.
Brother, surely you mean one unconfessed-unrepentant sin.They don't understand how even just one grievous sin can destroy their soul.
True justification comes by the obedience of ONE.. Romans 5:19. True faith rest in Christ as our righteousness. Not our ownTrue Justification can be seen in 1 John 1:7. According to 1 John 1:7: You have to walk in the light as He (Christ) is in the light in order to have the blood of Jesus Christ cleanse you of all sin. Walking in the light is loving your brother according to 1 John 2:8-11. 1 John 3:15 says if we hate our brother (the opposite of loving your brother) we are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. So I am sorry. Things are not as you say. True Justification is by obedience to the Lord. For Hebrews 5:9 essentially says hat Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him.
Brother, surely you mean one unconfessed-unrepentant sin.
Father God will NOT accept into heaven anyone with any unconfessed-unrepentant sins.
If we are being led by the Spirit we are sons of God (Romans 8:14).
He will point out to us any sins which need to be confessed-repented of.
True justification comes by the obedience of ONE.. Romans 5:19. True faith rest in Christ as our righteousness. Not our own
I agree. That is what I meant, brother.
Unlike many others, I agree with Proverbs 28:13 that says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
So if you forget one sin you’re doomed? If we are in Christ we are righteous, redeemed forgiven of all our sins.
Grievous sin (lying, lusting, hating, etc.) is not the same as minor faults of character or minor transgressions (like going over the speed limit a little, or not taking the trash out on time, etc.).
As for future sin being forgiven you:
The Bible does not teach such a thing.
1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So if future sin is forgiven you, there would be no need to confess sin so as to be forgiven of it.
Also, the Holy Spirit will convicts people of their sins to repent (seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus) so as to be forgiven (See John 16:8-9). So there is no such thing as forgetting to confess sin if somebody has accepted the Lord on God’s terms (according to His Word) and not on their own terms.
Grievous sin (lying, lusting, hating, etc.) is not the same as minor faults of character or minor transgressions (like going over the speed limit a little, or not taking the trash out on time, etc.).
As for future sin being forgiven you:
The Bible does not teach such a thing.
1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So if future sin is forgiven you, there would be no need to confess sin so as to be forgiven of it.
Also, the Holy Spirit will convicts people of their sins to repent (seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus) so as to be forgiven (See John 16:8-9). So there is no such thing as forgetting to confess sin if somebody has accepted the Lord on God’s terms (according to His Word) and not on their own terms.
Nowhere else in the New Testament epistles are believers instructed to confess their sins to get forgiven. In Eph 4:32 and Colossians 3:13, Paul says we have been forgiven past tense so to forgive others in the same way that God has forgiven us (past tense). 1John 1:9 is to unbelievers, those who think they have no sin. John is telling them to confess (admit they are sinners and have sinned) and God Will forgive their sins. Vs 10 says if we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not an us. That is talking about unbelievers. Same as today unbelievers don’t think they’re sinners in need of a Savior. We receive complete forgiveness when we receive Christ and it is taught all over scripture. If We are required to confess each and every sin as well as confess our faith in Christ then Paul definitely would have advised us to keep doing that. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Christ shed his blood once and that was the complete payment for our sins. “ four by one offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified”. Hebrews 10:14
We now live by the law of the Spirit, the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Romans 6:17 says we became obedient from the heart. God changes our heart when he regenerates us through faith. Salvation by grace through faith. To say that that is how we are initially saved, but then its up to us to keep our salvation by our works negates this. Col 2:6 Says as you have received Christ Jesus, so walk in Him. How do we receive Him? By faith. How do we walk in Him? By faith. And that faith will result in obedience. Its the obedience of faith. This was true even under the Old Covenant. "The just shall live by faith". Hab 2:4. Now, though we are sealed with the Spirit, born of the Spirit who is our guarantee. Eph 1:14. We are God's workmanship, saved by grace through faith, not of works, but created in Christ Jesus for good works. Eph 2:8-10. You are absolutely teaching a works salvation, and that is absolutely futile, and contrary to the gospel of grace. Paul said in Gal 5:4 that you have become estanged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. And that is what you are teaching. You say one is justified initially by faith, but then must work to keep themselves justified. That negates the initial justification, and puts man's salvation in his own hands, and man cannot, never save himself.
“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,As for future sin being forgiven you: The Bible does not teach such a thing.
1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So if future sin is forgiven you, there would be no need to confess sin so as to be forgiven of it.
“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“FORMER sins” is also in the ESV
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
“PAST sins” is also in the HCSB
“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NKJV)
“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“FORMER sins” is also in the ESV
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
“PAST sins” is also in the HCSB
Believers who are convinced that they are going to heaven no matter what
(i.e. believers in OSAS - eternal security) really have NO need to:
-- study the NT to understand what it is saying
-- practice righteousness
-- obey Jesus' commandments
-- co-operate with the Holy Spirit
etc. etc.
Believers who are convinced that they are going to heaven no matter what
(i.e. believers in OSAS - eternal security) really have NO need to:
-- study the NT to understand what it is saying
-- practice righteousness
-- obey Jesus' commandments
-- co-operate with the Holy Spirit
etc. etc.
Believers who are convinced that they are going to heaven no matter what
(i.e. believers in OSAS - eternal security) really have NO need to:
-- study the NT to understand what it is saying
-- practice righteousness
-- obey Jesus' commandments
-- co-operate with the Holy Spirit
etc. etc.
Yup ... so does James!You believe salvation is by faith plus works.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?