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<blockquote data-quote="muichimotsu" data-source="post: 74276374" data-attributes="member: 149131"><p>And Christianity's beliefs are reflective of reality how, beyond your conviction that they are the case? Invoking the bible doesn't count, that's circular logic, independent verification is necessary in regards to some unique notion that cannot be found otherwise and is not contested in terms of a logical chain where you're begging the question or otherwise inferring something fallaciously.</p><p></p><p>I'm aware this is a Christian majority forum and I honestly don't engage THAT much because of how there's a general bias and problematic maintenance of the forums I've been on in the past to view things with a fairly narrow lens in ANY sort of questioning of the orthodoxy invoked. </p><p></p><p>A priori assumptions are not so merely because you can point to a group that holds them, even if they posit them with strength and sincerity. When you posit your god, that's one of countless others that come into play, particularly notions of religiosity that claim it's inherent to humanity or other nonsensical theological drivel I've encountered over a decade and a half of searching in my life. If you're just going to say that it's true and support it with only that which aligns with that belief, it smacks much more of confirmation bias and significant restrictions in critical thinking to not even countenance that you could be wrong. </p><p></p><p>And before you counter that I'm so certain: that's not how a discussion works, you don't declare it as fact, you speculate provisionally as I've done. I'm willing to be shown the flaws, it's more that the attempts to do so have failed in logic through one method or another. By all means, try, if it's that important: or pray that God will help me, your choice</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="muichimotsu, post: 74276374, member: 149131"] And Christianity's beliefs are reflective of reality how, beyond your conviction that they are the case? Invoking the bible doesn't count, that's circular logic, independent verification is necessary in regards to some unique notion that cannot be found otherwise and is not contested in terms of a logical chain where you're begging the question or otherwise inferring something fallaciously. I'm aware this is a Christian majority forum and I honestly don't engage THAT much because of how there's a general bias and problematic maintenance of the forums I've been on in the past to view things with a fairly narrow lens in ANY sort of questioning of the orthodoxy invoked. A priori assumptions are not so merely because you can point to a group that holds them, even if they posit them with strength and sincerity. When you posit your god, that's one of countless others that come into play, particularly notions of religiosity that claim it's inherent to humanity or other nonsensical theological drivel I've encountered over a decade and a half of searching in my life. If you're just going to say that it's true and support it with only that which aligns with that belief, it smacks much more of confirmation bias and significant restrictions in critical thinking to not even countenance that you could be wrong. And before you counter that I'm so certain: that's not how a discussion works, you don't declare it as fact, you speculate provisionally as I've done. I'm willing to be shown the flaws, it's more that the attempts to do so have failed in logic through one method or another. By all means, try, if it's that important: or pray that God will help me, your choice [/QUOTE]
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