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First off sorry if it rambles, I dont have a direct train of thought just my views on being British.

Am I proud to be British? well lets look at that statment, first off what is British? well as most people know it litterally means England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. But on a slightly more deeper Level it means working together, yes the road was rough and maybe it was imposing someone elses will on others but I think our working together is a good thing, which is why I never say I'm English (even though I am) I will always say British, why? because being British is how we made the modern world.

I live in a society thats atcually quite odd, we were once the greatest empire the world had ever seen, we could send our ships half way across the world to Brazil and force them to stop slavery, take over countrys with ease (this is dabatable if its a good thing or a bad thing but I am in a pro empire camp all be it a small one) and yet our power is gone. I live in a country that has lost its greatness, one who's image is shaped by looking at the past and looking at the present and realising that were failures.

All comedys are about failure, our most famous sports men and women are failures (always getting second but never quite winning) and yet we still worship them like they won.

As a Brit I find very little in our times to be proud of, we invented a computer but wouldnt allow it to be declassifide and by the time it did the Americans had started preducing comerical computers.

So am I proud to be British, it would seem at first no, not at all. This however is wrong. I am proud to be British however I am proud of my past.

I'm proud of the Empire we had and I think we are lacking an active empire in the world today. In Africa we took countrys from incapable rulers and transported the systems that would make good goverment and a strong economy, when we ruled africa the gdp was alot closer to our own than it is now, there were far less wars and people on the whole had alot better rights.

We were the melting pot of the world, the first industrial nation one producing vast amounts of products and with our empire we exported this around the globe (in countrys part of the empire we had no tarriffs so it litterally was a free market economy and this means that economys developed faster). Our class system in many ways was also something to be proud of, the working class though impovrished (which something should of been done about) did have a distinctive culture, the Aristocracy also had a distinctive culture. However for me it was the Middle class that makes me proud to be British. The Middle classes were surrounded by the uneducated and the idiots, the Middle class built grand buildings in the citys, they commissioned art work supported religion and they even founded schools. This was urban regeneration on a grand scale, these medicians as they liked to see themselves were the people who truely made the difference in the empire. These were the people to abolish slavery.

I'm proud to be British because of our past but find myself ever increasingly disenfranchised with our now as our goverment continues with its images of grandure when it really doesnt have the power to make the difference it desires to do.
 
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I would never cal myself british and don't consider myself so. I truly resent that it's forced upon us in passports. I even had my driving licence application sent back because I had wrote country of birth-Scotland instead of britain. I sent it back without amendment and they relented.

I can say that I not proud of Britain as it is. I don't care for i in the slightest. I do care for the home countries individually. Like with the London attacks-I don't see it as a British thing to show we're not afriad. I see it as us standing behind England-and any targeted country- as friends rather than forced together nations.

Just my political and nationalist outlook.
 
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Proud to be British? Hmmmm Yes. The things we spread around the globe was a result of Empire. We spread an Ideology which has been extremely succusfull. (oh and driving on the Correct side of the road of course ;) )

I like but'n'ben am Scottish but I also consider myself British (and Swiss, mother ;) ). Unlike him, i don't see what the problem is with being united.
 
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Well, I would be proud to be British if I was... They're a pretty cool lot. Beats America, anyhow. And my ancestral home is out across the pond, I really would like to visit sometime, check out the ol' castle and whatnot.
 
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Kal'thzar said:
I like but'n'ben am Scottish but I also consider myself British (and Swiss, mother ;) ). Unlike him, i don't see what the problem is with being united.


Her. The society I have been brought up in has moulded me into Scottish and Scottish only. What I find is that while many Scots say the wish they were an independent nation, they will not vote independence or don't trust anyone other than London to run Scotland.

If I went abroad and someone asked if I was British I would tell them no.
 
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My question is why won't Britain leave Ireland alone to rule its own country? Cuase if they don't want to be apart of the UK why force them? If they wanted to then all of Ireland would be in the UK by now. I'm not ranting or raving at anyone I just don't understand why they Britian is fighting with Ireland. So could someone please answer why Britian is fighting with Ireland for me? Thank you.
 
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My question is why won't Britain leave Ireland alone to rule its own country? Cuase if they don't want to be apart of the UK why force them? If they wanted to then all of Ireland would be in the UK by now. I'm not ranting or raving at anyone I just don't understand why they Britian is fighting with Ireland. So could someone please answer why Britian is fighting with Ireland for me? Thank you.

Well, to be fair to Britain, it has pretty much left The Republic of Ireland alone since 1949. As for the ethnically Irish in the six counties, well, they continued to be royally shafted for quite some time after that, but at least now as far as I can tell they've got the same civil rights, athough I have seen numerous statistics showing that Irish living in the United Kingdom are far more likely to be victims of assault, rape, murder, basically all forms of violent crime (I'll see if I can find a 'net link to a relevant article), but I imagine that has more to do with a lingering lower socio-economic status than with systematic oppression at this time. Personally, I'm fond of the idea of a United Ireland, but as long as the gerrymandering, police brutality and so forth against the Irish in NI has stopped, I'm not about to pitch a fit over it - while, imo, geographically and historically NI ought to be part of a united Ireland, it's probably not worth the strife at this point, as the situation is currently the best it's been in centuries.
 
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I don't see why you shouldn't be proud to be British. The British Empire did a lot for the world. It's easy to find the bad things that were done (as there were), but who's to say alot of good didn't come out of it? Think Africa, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Think also to Malaya in the 50's and 60's. The legal and politcal systems of those countries. Not to mention Britain being the driving force of the majority the allied nations coming together for WW1 and in the early days of WW2.

Even though I think all countries have the right to independence and self-government (including Scotland and Ireland), I still believe that the British Commonwealth has the potential for alot of good in the world. It's just a matter of the governments remembering the ways of the past. And the strenghts and benefits that came from it.
 
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