"Begging the Question"

[Akita Suggagaki]

"Begging the question" is not what it sounds like.
Sometimes people use the phrase when they actually mean something like, "A further question that should be asked" or "This leads us to another question".

"Begging the question" is more related to a Fallacy of Begging the quesiton: The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question.

Rephrasing the conclusion and then placing it in the premise is a common way to pass it off as support for the claim:
“Communism will never succeed, because a system in which everything is owned in common can never work.”

 

[Hammster]

You should do more of these.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"Begging the question" is not what it sounds like.
Sometimes people use the phrase when they actually mean something like, "A further question that should be asked" or "This leads us to another question".

"Begging the question" is more related to a Fallacy of Begging the quesiton: The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question.

Rephrasing the conclusion and then placing it in the premise is a common way to pass it off as support for the claim:
“Communism will never succeed, because a system in which everything is owned in common can never work.”

Systemic racism exists, because it was woven into the very fabric of US society by its founders.

 

[anetazo]

Shekar in Hebrew means = strong delusions or spirit of stupor.

Second thessalonians chapter 2. God has been sending strong delusions on those who love not the truth.

Its the blind leading the blind. Some people just go where ever wind blows. Its absolutely redundant to accept any mans word at face value, without checking out God's word.

Isaiah chapter 28 speaks of spirtual drunkards.

Antichrist, near future, will have no problem deceiving majority of people. They are biblically illiterate.
Most people don't have gospel armory on. It's knowledge and wisdom of God's word.

 

[Whyayeman]

"Begging the question" is more related to a Fallacy of Begging the quesiton: The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question.

Yes, the misunderstanding has crept in. I think maybe we should use the expression 'circular argument' instead these days.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yes, the misunderstanding has crept in. I think maybe we should use the expression 'circular argument' instead these days.

That is more descriptive.

 

[zippy2006]

Rephrasing the conclusion and then placing it in the premise is a common way to pass it off as support for the claim:
“Communism will never succeed, because a system in which everything is owned in common can never work.”

This isn't really begging the question (petitio principii). It is a syllogism:

1. A system in which everything is owned in common could never work.
2. Communism is a system in which everything is owned in common.
3. Therefore, Communism could never work.

The key here is that common ownership is a property of Communism, not its definition.

 

[durangodawood]

"Begging the question" is not what it sounds like.
Sometimes people use the phrase when they actually mean something like, "A further question that should be asked" or "This leads us to another question".
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This has bothered me ever since I saw people doing it. Seemed to crop up in the last 5 years or so.

Maybe we should calling it "begging for the question".

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

This isn't really begging the question (petitio principii). It is a syllogism:

1. A system in which everything is owned in common could never work.
2. Communism is a system in which everything is owned in common.
3. Therefore, Communism could never work.

The key here is that common ownership is a property of Communism, not its definition.

I thin I agree so how would we make it begging the question?

"Communism is a system that could never work because everything is owned in common."?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

This has bothered me ever since I saw people doing it. Seemed to crop up in the last 5 years or so.

Maybe we should calling it "begging for the question".

yes, or "That calls for a further question."

 

[zippy2006]

yes, or "That calls for a further question."

"Begging the question," means something like, "You are presuming to settle the very issue that is in question, by simple fiat." The name isn't such a problem.

I thin I agree so how would we make it begging the question?

Begging the question is an informal "fallacy," and it is largely contextual. If we sit down to discuss some question, but then at some point I claim to have reached a solution, I have begged the question if my solution does not present any arguments or considerations beside simple assertion or fiat. So I suppose you could say, "Communism is a system that would never work because [insert synonym for Communism here] could never work," is sort of like begging the question. But in reality begging the question occurs over a prolonged exchange, and not in a single sentence or phrase.

It is also context dependent, in the sense that it matters a great deal what you are arguing about. If two people are arguing about whether common ownership undermines Communism, then your original example would be a form of begging the question (because that is precisely the question at stake). But if two people are arguing about whether Communism is supportable, then common ownership is but one aspect among many aspects, and raising that aspect is not necessarily begging the question.