Be not forgetful to entertain strangers...

[IXOYE5]

What is your point?

After almost two years one comes back with a rittle and rime?

As me and my house we shall "Serve" the Lord!

 

[stranger]

The point is that it wasn't a voluntary absence, it was a very unloving engineered absence by a few [or most likely only one]within a circle that was supposed to be based upon love between all around the world ... I wasn't even allowed to explain the misunderstanding or say sorry for not anticipating it ... I put a vast amount of work into that circle and it fell apart simply by those involved in it not standing up for love enough to even hear what i had to say ... the final indignity , being the deletion of many of my words about scripture for no justification whatever , certainly not out of love , sharing, equality, on which the circle was founded ... I wonder then if teh spirit of love survived the collapse of the attempt by myself and 'red fox' to get people to acknowledge it and face up to the world that opposes it for spurious empty purposes of this world... the words I suspect were,although deleted from public gaze, were retained in some form by the one responsible for getting them deleted, and unsurprisingly I would like them re-instated and to be dealt with fairly by those who were in the circle [on account of what they agreed in order to join, that they would not be unloving to anyone, that they would be loving even to those who were seen or saw themselves as 'enemies'] ... I think it very sad that the circle broke up ,because it betrayed its founding principle , but maybe it's spirit is alive, I believe so ... because the spirit of brotherly love is the spirit of god and He is not dead [despite some rumours that were foreseen to come at this time]

 

[stranger]

The End of Tears? :

Youth runs with
the will to beat the odds
and did u too think
it was a game ...
and u found
a way to win?

what now your surety
when it is over.
- did u too think it was real for a while?

did u not know a kiss or two
that might have awoken the heart?

You run the old familiar
hideaways
a quick fix,
turning tricks,
to face the gore again
and forget
the meaning of the tears

your ultimate grasp fails again
as you slip unknowing into the
unfolding masterpiece once more

... once more ...

did u really need to forget in order to live
or was it illusion?

how far then will u go...
how many unheeded promises
... to yourself?

will you come home with us?

will you let us share
your pain,
for we have known it too
and now know its end?

or will you stay
mingled with crowds
a while
longer
leave till later
that quiet part of you
that you too
forgot to do.

 

[stranger]

Messiah:

From another place,
one seed
fell here,
on the edge of this hill.
This now-tall spreading
knew no surrender...

No other measured
this steely purpose,
this was no war of proof
...but your sure
becoming,
in isolation
from their gusty winds.

And now you bend with the gale which blows
and your needle shower
scourges the bare blasted Scottish rock
and solitary pine,
you know the strange happiness
of your desolate home...

and I know that
I shall come again.

 

[hollowgram]

forgiveness: the key to undoing all woe.
forgive those who hurt you. bless them, pray for them. you will only be blessed by so doing.

 

[stranger]

forgiveness: the key to undoing all woe.
forgive those who hurt you. bless them, pray for them. you will only be blessed by so doing.

Yay, thanks, that is the easy part ... the harder part is rebuilding the circle that has since fallen apart [maybe because they betrayed the principle of love on which it was built ?]

I look at it as a learning experience , the question is can everyone else see it that way too ,and perhaps should misunderstandings happen again, as is not uncommon in this world, at least give others a chance to explain... its not really that much to ask of friends/christians after all ... anyway I'llstart again from scratch :-

http://www.christianforums.com/t6756520-60/#post51590438

 

[stranger]

Trees in the garden:

As if with words
the symbols true
they tell a tale,
known to a few...

to me they 'speak'
of the stalwart mind
in face of folly,
man-un-kind...

and who be sad?
as stand and die
in multitude
astride the lie?

before the flood
for love of life,
for sake of man...
before we die?

How can the people
still not see,
does it not say
our misery?

we , blinded by the light ,
not chance,
A message bids us
join the dance-

to know what is not,
now, to love
Pied Piper
sets the tune,
no dove...

and few resist
but poor and lame
alone desist
afore the flame...

The trees remain
and bid that love
can never die
as is above.

 

[hollowgram]

stranger, it looks very much like you have ample welcome there in that circle.

 

[stranger]

Red Fox's circles I hope will continue to grow as a place where people who truly love all folks [without prejudice, conditions, bias] can join and share in discussing the challenge we all have in facing God's truth, that love is lost with any unlovingness to anyone.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

This is not something most want to even try to do ... it will be much pleasanter for all when many do ..

 

[hollowgram]

Hmm, disagree. Think many want to do that, they just don't know how.
Trying to use condemnation and threats to "make" them "snap to" and do it doesn't work. it only makes things more difficult and confusing for them.
Not saying you do this -- don't even know you -- just saying.

By entering another's pain and torment we may open a door for their healing.

 

[hollowgram]

Eleven of Christ's disciples followed Him because He revealed the Father's true heart of Love for which their hearts and souls hungered and thirsted.

Only one of them followed Him because they sought a new world order where they could co-rule with Him and tell everyone else what to think, how to feel, and who to be.

That one eventually sold Him out for 30 pieces of silver.


The signature lines say it all.

 

[stranger]

Is it not clear from scripture that Jesus knew about Judas, about his disbelief that Jesus was the Messiah of Israel?

 

[hollowgram]

Doesn't matter -- there will always be a divide in the intent of the heart between the eleven and the one, whether known or unknown.

God bless.

 

[stranger]

Jesus can bring everyone around to his way of love in the end though :-

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

 

[hollowgram]

Of course. Just talking about until He does.

 

[stranger]

Did you notice then that Satan too is included ? That the 'lake of fire' is only the final trial of men by God, those who reject baptism of the spirit given eventually to all [Joel 2:28] to reveal all truth [John 16:13] ?