Be not Deceived

[thereselittleflower]

Why are you guys so quick to get people kicked off?! That is wrong and you know it! Maybe he dosen't even know a lot about the trinity to accept. Many people are raised as Christians to only worship god and that is what they go by over 10 to 15 percent to be exact. So instead of hurting peoples feelings
why not get to know him instead of trying to get him kicked off and everything.

KTatis, are you eager for people to promote the idea that the Trinity is from satan?


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[KTatis]

KTatis, are you eager for people to promote the idea that the Trinity is from satan?


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No I was just saying we should understand where he's getting at before we judge so abruptly.

 

[thereselittleflower]

No I was just saying we should understand where he's getting at before we judge so abruptly.

There are some things that are so glaringly obvious that they must be pointed out immediately.

Error is error, and gross error is being promoted by James, unfortunately.

It is not about judging him . . it is about judging his message, which we are told to judge.

You must separate the two, and not confuse them.

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[JamestheProphet]

Thereselittleflower – When I command the unclean spirits all is say is be gone and they leave. Sometimes I don’t even have to say anything and they scatter before me. When I lay my hands on people they are healed. When I speak I do not speak in my own authority and people get delivered and healed.

The fact is this; the Lord Yeshua put himself up on that cross and took my punishment for my sin. Then he rose again three days later and took me into my Father’s Kingdom to live with him throughout all eternity. Not only that but I glorify Him and praise him for writing my name in the Book of Life.

My Father calls me his son. My brother Yeshua calls me his brother and I has the Holy Spirit of Yahweh dwelling in me.

Just like me you too could be one with my Father as he is one with me. You too can be one with my brother Yeshua as he is one with me and YES you too can have the Holy Spirit of Yahweh living in you too.


Yeshua went up on that cross and took our punishment upon himself so we could live with him and the Father for all eternity.

Praise Yahweh for he is GREAT.

Thank you Yeshua for being my Passover lamb.

For Yeshua is worth to receive our honor and our glory and him alone.

 

[KTatis]

Actually, affirming the Nicene Creed (which includes the Trinity) is a requirement to post on this board. By using a Messianic icon and posting in this forum, you are in violation of the rules.

Getting him kicked off won't help him believe in the trinity. Be willing to debate and stand in honor of the name of God. Do you think you can convert him? If so then try it. Isn't that what Christianity is about? If he have to leave and all he does is post in the open discussion then he will have no choice but to read the atheist threads and he just maybe come one. And if he goes to hell is life will be on your hands because you refuse to teach him and instead debunks his every word. How is he gonna become a better christian if you think he shouldn't be here?

 

[JamestheProphet]

If this be true than Yeshua is in direct violation of this rule since in John 17:21 he clearly states that there is God the Saint which I just happen to be one.

Therefore if the Saints are also a part of the Godhead then where does that leave the trinity and the creeds designed by men?

 

[L3g3nd]

Getting him kicked off won't help him believe in the trinity. Be willing to debate and stand in honor of the name of God. Do you think you can convert him? If so then try it. Isn't that what Christianity is about? If he have to leave and all he does is post in the open discussion then he will have no choice but to read the atheist threads and he just maybe come one. And if he goes to hell is life will be on your hands because you refuse to teach him and instead debunks his every word. How is he gonna become a better christian if you think he shouldn't be here?

The purpose of this forum is to discuss theological issues within the context of the rules which we all agreed to by joining and affirming the creed. Why have rules at all if they are not going to be enforced? His life is on his own hands if he does not heed the word of God or the word of God's servants, which has been presented to him here (and in the creed which he has claimed to believe in).

 

[thereselittleflower]

Getting him kicked off won't help him believe in the trinity. Be willing to debate and stand in honor of the name of God. Do you think you can convert him? If so then try it. Isn't that what Christianity is about? If he have to leave and all he does is post in the open discussion then he will have no choice but to read the atheist threads and he just maybe come one. And if he goes to hell is life will be on your hands because you refuse to teach him and instead debunks his every word. How is he gonna become a better christian if you think he shouldn't be here?

Do you believe that it is a Christian fruit to lie and misrepresent oneself by using a christian only icon which proclaims one believes in the Trinity when one doesn't?

Is lying this way a fruit of the spirit?

Is it not a sin?

 

[thereselittleflower]

If this be true than Yeshua is in direct violation of this rule since in John 17:21 he clearly states that there is God the Saint which I just happen to be one.

Therefore if the Saints are also a part of the Godhead then where does that leave the trinity and the creeds designed by men?

Who has deceived you like this!

Jesus never said that Saints are God.

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[JamestheProphet]

Read your Bible.

It says it right there.

 

[KTatis]

The purpose of this forum is to discuss theological issues within the context of the rules which we all agreed to by joining and affirming the creed. Why have rules at all if they are not going to be enforced? His life is on his own hands if he does not heed the word of God or the word of God's servants, which has been presented to him here (and in the creed which he has claimed to believe in).

We can use the rules sure! But he hasn't done anything wrong as of late. I mean if he is just someone out to deceive people then yes he shouldn't be hear! But if he knows no better then we should let him know of his mistakes and then and only then if he rejects the world view he should be tossed outta here.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Read your Bible.

It says it right there.

I see . . you can't provide the scriptural proof you are asked for . . .

Just empty claims James. . . . .not truth. But deception.

If it were truth, you would be able to give us the scriptural evidence.


But it seems that you can't . . . not doing so only begs the question . . . why, if it is true, can't he provide the evidence?


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[thereselittleflower]

We can use the rules sure! But he hasn't done anything wrong as of late. I mean if he is just someone out to deceive people then yes he shouldn't be hear! But if he knows no better then we should let him know of his mistakes and then and only then if he rejects the world view he should be tossed outta here.

So, representing oneself as a christian who believes in the trinity by the icon one uses, when one does not believe in the trinity, when the rules expressly forbid this is not doing something wrong?

Where did you get your sense of right and wrong?


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[KTatis]

Do you believe that it is a Christian fruit to lie and misrepresent oneself by using a christian only icon which proclaims one believes in the Trinity when one doesn't?

Is lying this way a fruit of the spirit?

Is it not a sin?

Who said he was lying? I don't think no one hear can make that claim. He just doesn't know what he is talking about. If a 5 year old tells you 3 times 2 is purple they aren't lying they just don't understand so the parent explains to them what is wrong with their logic before they get tossed aside.

P.S. Did I make anyone laugh when I said that 3 times 2 was purple?

 

[Dave01]

We can use the rules sure! But he hasn't done anything wrong as of late. I mean if he is just someone out to deceive people then yes he shouldn't be hear! But if he knows no better then we should let him know of his mistakes and then and only then if he rejects the world view he should be tossed outta here.

Sorry rules are rules. No one is to be posting here that does not believe in the triune nature of GOD, period. They are liars if they sign up saying that they are to post.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Who said he was lying? I don't think no one hear can make that claim. He just doesn't know what he is talking about. If a 5 year old tells you 3 times 2 is purple they aren't lying they just don't understand so the parent explains to them what is wrong with their logic before they get tossed aside.

P.S. Did I make anyone laugh when I said that 3 times 2 was purple?

If one sports a Christian Only icon, then that means that one is making a statement with that icon that one agrees with the contents of the Nicene Creed and believes in the Trinity.

If one sports a Chrsitian Only icon and does not believe eitheir or both of these things, the the proclamation on e is making by sporting such an icon is indeed a lie.

How can it not be?

Have you read the rules?

Do you understand what a lie is?

Do you know the difference between right and wrong?


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[KTatis]

So, representing oneself as a christian who believes in the trinity by the icon one uses, when one does not believe in the trinity, when the rules expressly forbid this is not doing something wrong?

Where did you get your sense of right and wrong?


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Again it is possible that he didn't know at the time. He could've thought the trinity was something else or he could've thought that it was this or that. The point is instead of judgment know where he's coming from. Understand why he believes this and correct him if you can.

 

[KTatis]

Sorry rules are rules. No one is to be posting here that does not believe in the triune nature of GOD, period. They are liars if they sign up saying that they are to post.

Okay I must be a broken record player. He hasn't done anything wrong yet. Well actually know that he knows he has done wrong but still you can't judge people like that. It is against human nature and it against the will of God for pete sake.

 

[thereselittleflower]

It seems to me there is no such confusion KTatis . . .

And no one is judging anyone KTatis. . you are not paying attention to what is really going on . . .

Judging another's words is not the same thing as judging their person.

Why do you falsely accuse like this?

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[L3g3nd]

Again it is possible that he didn't know at the time. He could've thought the trinity was something else or he could've thought that it was this or that. The point is instead of judgment know where he's coming from. Understand why he believes this and correct him if you can.

He knows enough about it to call it a lie. You presume that he is ignorant, but he has already demonstrated a basic knowledge of viewpoints opposite to his own. The only thing we are "judging" is the fact that he is in violation of the rules.