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Be cool..Part 3

Discussion in 'Daily Devotionals' started by zazzaz, Feb 17, 2002.

  1. zazzaz

    zazzaz New Member

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    22..Weak.Jesus said,I can of mine own self do nothing.{John 5:30}.He admits that he is helpless and weak by himself.He is supported ny God.How can Jesus be God and not self-dependent at the same time?!

    23..Messenger.Jesus said,He that hears my word and believes in him that sent me has everlasting life.{John 5:24}.Jesus admits here that he was sent by God.This means that Jesus is God`s messenger and not God.

    24..Sent.Jesus said,the father himself,which has sent me,has born writnees of me.{John 5:37}.Jesus admits that he was sent by God.How can Jesus be God and be sent by God at the same time?!

    25..Not mine.Jesus said,My doctrine is not mine,but his that sent me.{John7:16} Here Jesus says that his teachings are not his.How can Jesus be God and be dependent on God as a source of revelation?!Jesus also said,I am not come of myself.{John7:28}.He is just a messenger who received revelation from God.

    26..Taught.Jesus said,I do nothing of my self;but as my Father hath taught me,I speak these things.{John8:28}.Jesus here admits that he is taught and his miracles are not done by his own authority.How can he be taught and be God at the same time?!Being taught proves his humanity and negates his divinity.

    27..Man.Jesus said blaming the Jews who wanted to kill him,But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth,which I have heard of God.{John8:40}.Jesus clearly says that he is a man receiving revelation from God.How can Jesus be God and receiving revelation from God?!

    28..Weeping.When Jesus saw Lazarus dead,Jesus wept.{John11:35}.How can Jesus be God and be weeping at the same time?!Weeping is a human behavior,not divine.

    29..Given.Lazaurs` sister said to Jesus,Whatsovere thou wilt ask of God,God will give it thee.{John11:22}.Jesus asks God and God gives him.How can Jesus be given by God?!

    30..Thanking. Before Jesus caused Lazarus to live agine,Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I Thank you that you have hread me.And I knew that you her me always:but because of the people which stand by I said it,that they may believe that you have sent me.{John11:41-42}.He lifted up his eyes to ask for God`s help in putting life back to Lazarus to prove to his audience that the mircale is not his,but God`s.He thanked God.How can Jesus br God and thank God?!How can he be God and ask God for support to make the miracle possible?!

    31..Asking for safety.In the night of arrest,Jesus said,Now is my soul troubled;and what shall I say?Father, save me from this hour.{John12:27}.Jesus here is expressing his fear and asking God to save him from his enemies who want to arrest and kill him.How can Jesus be God and be a fraid?!How can he be God and ask God to save him?!Had he God, he would have saved himself and would not have asked for help.

    32..Washung feet. Jesus began to wash the discibles` feet and to wipe them with towl.{John13:5}.How can Jesus be God and be washing his disciples` feet?!
     
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  2. .axsmedia.

    .axsmedia. ..Papa Roach..

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  3. Mike K

    Mike K New Member

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    Excerpt from answersingenesis.org

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    There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:8). Note that the Hebrew word for ‘one’ is echad which means composite unity — it is used in Genesis 2:24 where the husband and wife become ‘one flesh’. The word for absolute unity is yachid which is never used of God in the Scripture.

    The Father is called God (John 6:27, Ephesians 4:6).

    The Son is called God (Hebrews 1:8. He is also called ‘I am’ in John 8:58 cf. Ex. 3:14 — see below for more biblical proof). He has always existed (John 1:1–3, 8:56–58), but took on full human nature in addition to His divine nature at the Incarnation (John 1:14, Philippians 2:5–11).

    The Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3–4), and is personal (Acts 13:2), not some impersonal force as the Jehovah’s Witness cult believes.

    They are distinct, e.g. at the baptism of Jesus in Matthew 3:16–17 all three were present and distinct. The Son is baptized, the Father speaks from Heaven, and the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, flies down and lands on the Son. See the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 ‘baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.’ Note that the word ‘name’ is singular, showing that all three Persons are one Being.

    The distinction in persons within the one God means that it is possible for Jesus to be the ‘one mediator between God and men’ (1 Timothy 2:5), and to be our ‘advocate with the Father’ (1 John 2:1) when we sin. An advocate is a defence lawyer, who pleads our case before a judge. This demonstrates a distinction between the persons.

    The distinction makes the Substitutionary Atonement possible. How else could Jesus be the One on whom the LORD has ‘laid ... the iniquity of us all’ (Isaiah 53:6)? The one laying and the one on whom our sins are laid must be distinct.

    Jesus said that His Father sent Him (John 14:24) and that the Spirit was sent by both the Father (John 14:26) and the Son (John 15:7). This also points to distinct centres of consciousness within the one God.

    The fact that Jesus prayed to God the Father (John 17:1) shows there was a distinction between Father and Son. Since Jesus was fully human (as well as fully divine), and humans should pray, it follows that it was proper for Jesus to pray in His humanity.

    Also, the deity of the Son, Jesus Christ, is further proved by the fact that He has attributes belonging uniquely to God, e.g.:

    He is the Creator (Colossians 1:16–17).

    He has the ability to forgive sins (Luke 7:47–50) and judge all people (John 5:27).

    He sends forth the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).

    He accepts worship (Hebrews 1:6, Matthew 14:33)

    He is called ‘Lord’ (Romans 10:9) where ‘Lord’ (kurios) is a translation of the Old Testament Yahweh (= God) (Romans 10:13 cites Joel 2:32 which makes this clear)

    And He is identified with the ‘Alpha and Omega’ and the equivalent ‘the first and the last’ (Revelation 1:8, 17–18, cf. Isaiah 44:6).

    In the Old Testament, He is the Child who is called ‘Mighty God’ and ‘Everlasting Father’ (Hebrew is literally ‘Father of Eternity’, meaning ‘Author of Eternity’) (Isaiah 9:6, cf. 10:21) He would be born in Bethlehem, yet His ‘goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.’ (Micah 5:2)

    Some Objections to the Trinity Answered

    Despite the clear Biblical evidence for the Trinity, some cults have objections based on misunderstandings of Scripture.

    Jesus said: ‘My Father is greater (meizon) than I’ (John 14:28). But this refers to the Father’s greater position in Heaven, not superior nature. Philippians 2:5–11 states that Jesus had equality by nature with God, but voluntarily took on the lower position of a servant. The same arguments apply to related passages about Jesus submitting to His Father’s will.

    The word ‘better’ (kreitton) would have been used to describe superiority in nature if this is what had been meant. Indeed, kreitton is used to describe Jesus’ superiority in His very nature to the angels (Hebrews 1:4). The distinction can be illustrated in the human realm by the role of the Prime Minister — he is greater than us in position, but he is still a human being like us, so is not better in nature.

    Jesus is called ‘the firstborn of every creature’ (Colossians 1:15). However, in Jewish imagery, ‘firstborn’ means ‘having the rights and special privileges belonging to the eldest child’. It refers to pre-eminence in rank more than to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term ‘firstborn’ is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called ‘firstborn’ although he was actually the youngest son.

    ‘Firstborn’ does not mean ‘first created’; the Greek for the latter is protoktisis, while firstborn is prototokos. In fact, the verses after Colossians 1:15 show that Christ Himself is the creator of all things.

    Jesus is Son of God. From this, some cults try to show that Jesus is somehow less than God. But in Jewish imagery, ‘the son of’ often meant ‘of the order of’ or ‘having the very nature of’. For example, ‘sons of the prophets’ meant ‘of the order of prophets’ (1 Kings 20:35); ‘sons of the singers’ meant ‘of the order of singers’ (Nehemiah 12:28). Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understood that He was claiming to be God, which is why they wanted to kill him for blasphemy (John 19:7).

    Jesus is the ‘only-begotten Son’ (John 3:16). The Greek word translated ‘only-begotten’ is monogenes, which means ‘unique, ‘one of a kind’. Jesus is the unique Son of God, because he is God by His very nature (see above). Believers in Him become ‘sons of God’ by adoption (Galatians 3:26–4:7).

    This is shown in the human realm by Hebrews 11:17, where Isaac is called Abraham’s ‘only begotten son’. Abraham had other sons, but Isaac was the unique son of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis chapters 15–18, 20), born when his parents were old.
     
  4. StogusMaximus

    StogusMaximus Well-Known Member

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    According to your Profile your are Muslim. First of all I don't know why you are on a Christian board, but since you are here.

    Here is a few for you to answer.

    1. Does the Koran say that Jesus was sinless?
    2. Does the Koran tell Mohammad to repent?
    3. Was Jesus the Messiah ?
    4. Was Mohammad the Messiah?
    5. Where's the body of Jesus ?
    6. Where's the body of Mohammad?
     
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