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Basics of Anabaptism
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MadFingerPainter said:
Dancing is sexual. We don't display our sexuality.
I don't think anyone cares what spouses do in their own home. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for dancing with their spouse at home with the blinds pulled.
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Danfrey
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WalkInHisFootsteps said:Yes, the American government used to shoot COs, too. By the second world war, they stopped doing that, thanks mostly to the outspokenness of the quakers here.
So let's see...
Slavery was abolished through the persistent work of the quakers,
Shooting COs was abolished through the persistent work of the quakers.
I think anabaptists could learn about how to speak out for righteousness without being political from the quakers!
Those wonderful Quakers and thier social change. It is a shame God didn't think of it first.
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Danfrey said:Those wonderful Quakers and thier social change. It is a shame God didn't think of it first.
Having another contrary day Dan?
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What Dan is saying is that gov't has the right to do as it will and he is correct. I don't have to like what the gov't does, but it is empowered.
This goes back to what I said elsewhere about rebelling against a gov't. It's been empowered by God, whether it's the US or China.
This goes back to what I said elsewhere about rebelling against a gov't. It's been empowered by God, whether it's the US or China.
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Danfrey
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You should know by now that all my days are contrary. Actually, I was trying make the same point that I make when people bring up World War II. You now the question, Would you have stood by and let the all those Jews get murdered. Is God big enough to change something without my help? Did he call me to petition the government to feed the hungry, or did he call me to feed the hungry? I see more of Christ in Mother Teresa's activism than I do in Ghandi's. Many modern Mennonites have gone the way of Ghandi.
Let me also point out that I know you believe it is ok to work for change through the government. And, I don't believe it is ok to work for change through the government. So, let me save us the multitude of posts by saying.....
Argument 1
Response 2
Rebuttal 3
I figure if we number them we can save ourselves some typing.
Let me also point out that I know you believe it is ok to work for change through the government. And, I don't believe it is ok to work for change through the government. So, let me save us the multitude of posts by saying.....
Argument 1
Response 2
Rebuttal 3
I figure if we number them we can save ourselves some typing.
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menno said:
Again, it's not like Christians have to choose between allowing government to do whatever it wants and staging open violent rebellion. We are allowed by the system that God put in place to have input into those decisions. We don't have to like what government does, but we don't have to throw up our hands and surrender in impotence.
In 16th century Europe that was true, but in 21st century America, we have other choices.
I am totally perplexed by the idea that government should do whatever it wants when WE are the government!
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Danfrey
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WalkInHisFootsteps said:
I spent 12 years of my life as part of the government. I don't care to be part of it anymore. I have a hard time understanding how someone can think it is ok to be part of the government and refuse to participate in the military. Kind of like picking and choosing which part is ok to be involved in.
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Danfrey
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Just so everyone is clear. Sometimes it may seem that Walkin and I have pretty course conversations. I just want everyone to know that I do respect her opinions. She backs up what she says with much thought and even though I don't always agree, I can respect her approach. She just happens to catch the arrows that I would normally direct at the larger body of Mennonites in our country. My beliefs differ quite abit from them. This isn't to say that they are bad people, just that I believe some of things have gone in a direction that I am not comfortable with.
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Danfrey said:
What do you mean when you say "part of the government"?
Do you think your bad experience influences your feelings about the government?
As far as I can tell, you are also picking and choosing which parts of the government you think are okay, like the military and executing prisoners.
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Danfrey said:
And I also have the upmost respect for Dan and his thinking. As far as I am concerned, any differences we discuss are for the purpose of coming to a resolution of the truth.
I also like to challenge what I see as his propensity to selectively adopt the parts of anabaptist beliefs he likes while disguarding the ones he doesn't agree with.
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So what is an acceptable way to bring about change in government and the things it does?
If it's wrong to speak out, if it's wrong to vote, if it's wrong to try to influence lawmakers, then i guess all that's left is to have a fatalistic attitude when it comes to government and let things go to hell.
I wonder what God will say to us when we get to heaven--"I gave you the right to vote, why didn't you use it??"
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