basic income

[dogs4thewin]

What do you think? This far AK is the only state that offers it and they do it out of the oil reserves whether than sales tax, income tax OR federal assistance.

 

[HereIStand]

I like idea. Also, food and healthcare co-ops could work as well. The only problem I see long-term is that if automation eliminates many jobs, then there will be an ever-shrinking tax base. On another thread, someone suggested the idea of taxing equipment.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I like idea. Also, food and healthcare co-ops could work as well. The only problem I see long-term is that if automation eliminates many jobs, then there will be an ever-shrinking tax base. On another thread, someone suggested the idea of taxing equipment.

Well, the question is whether there will be new jobs created. In other words, you still have to maintain the robots.

 

[Desk trauma]

Well, the question is whether there will be new jobs created. In other words, you still have to maintain the robots.

Using the example of trucking even if a few more people are required to maintain the self driving trucks those jobs will be outnumbered 100:1 by those lost never to be needed again.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Using the example of trucking even if a few more people are required to maintain the self driving trucks those jobs will be outnumbered 100:1 by those lost never to be needed again.

Will there be OTHER jobs that are created as in jobs that do not exist right now?

 

[ananda]

What do you see is the purpose for a basic income?

 

[Desk trauma]

Will there be OTHER jobs that are created as in jobs that do not exist right now?

For high skill specialists, not for those automation displaces.

 

[dogs4thewin]

For high skill specialists, not for those automation displaces.

Can such people not gain skills that will still be needed?

 

[dogs4thewin]

What do you see is the purpose for a basic income?

To provide a basic amount of money that everyone gets either all adults or all people every month no matter their working status.

 

[ananda]

To provide a basic amount of money that everyone gets either all adults or all people every month no matter their working status.

Why, though?

 

[Desk trauma]

Can such people not gain skills that will still be needed?

Sticking with the example of trucking, some of them could but they all can't even if they have the motivation and technical ability to learn the skill. There will not be enough schools to retrain millions of middle aged truckers nor enough jobs for them if there were.

 

[381465]

in·come
ˈinˌkəm/
noun

1. money received, especially on a regular basis, for work or through investments.
   "he has a nice home and an adequate income"
   synonyms: earnings, salary, pay, remuneration, wages, stipend;More

I wish they would call it a gift, charity, bone, entitlement, etc.

 

[dogs4thewin]

in·come
ˈinˌkəm/
noun

1. money received, especially on a regular basis, for work or through investments.
   "he has a nice home and an adequate income"
   synonyms: earnings, salary, pay, remuneration, wages, stipend;More

I wish they would call it a gift, charity, bone, entitlement, etc.

There are other forms of income. Rent ( for a landlord) investments, it is money coming in as opposed debts.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Why, though?

To provide a basic level of quality of life.

 

[HereIStand]

Well, the question is whether there will be new jobs created. In other words, you still have to maintain the robots.

New jobs will be created, but as Desk trauma noted, these new jobs will be fewer in number and will require technical skills. Can the average person acquire these skills? In some cases perhaps, but the jobs may require knowledge of math and IT beyond the motivation or ability of the average worker.

 

[super animator]

Does anyone besides me find it funny that the OT is so against single payer health care, yet promotes basic income?

 

[ananda]

To provide a basic level of quality of life.

IMO the problem as to why we don't have that today is because of the way society is forcibly structured, with the existence of the Corporation. With it gone, most of the misery associated with endlessly "fighting for our piece of the pie" would also disappear, and balance will return to society.

 

[dogs4thewin]

New jobs will be created, but as Desk trauma noted, these new jobs will be fewer in number and will require technical skills. Can the average person acquire these skills? In some cases perhaps, but the jobs may require knowledge of math and IT beyond the motivation or ability of the average worker.

There will be certain jobs especially on a higher end of service jobs police, teachers things of nature cannot completely be replaced.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Does anyone besides me find it funny that the OT is so against single payer health care, yet promotes basic income?

I actually had the idea to start this thread due to an article on Face Book.

 

[dogs4thewin]

IMO the problem as to why we don't have that today is because of the way society is forcibly structured, with the existence of the Corporation. With it gone, most of the misery associated with endlessly "fighting for our piece of the pie" would also disappear, and balance will return to society.

I do not understand.