Barley for mild drinks???

[Cassiopeia]

Hey Swart, DocT, fatboys, and all yall other Latter-day Saints out there.

My husband and I were discussing the Word of Wisdom tonight and I read D&C 89 to him. We were wondering, can you tell us what you think of this verse?

D&C 89: 17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

Now my husband is not LDS ...never has been and you all know I am an apostate so we were wondering about the bolded part. Barley is used in making beer and we all know beer isn't a strong drink so it is legal to be LDS and drink beer?

I am also wondering whether hot drink would include hot chocolate or hot apple cider. ( and for you Auzzies cider isn't like cider in other countries. Here it is NOT fermented.)

Thanks ahead of time for participating.

Casi

 

[Swart]

Now my husband is not LDS ...never has been and you all know I am an apostate so we were wondering about the bolded part. Barley is used in making beer and we all know beer isn't a strong drink so it is legal to be LDS and drink beer?

Some Fundys take this to mean that beer and wine are okay as they aren't "strong" drinks.

Beer is generally made from hops, not barley. I like to brew my own Ginger Beer on occasion. In any brewing process some alcohol is always formed. However, there is a difference between aerobic and anaerobic fermentation. To make an alcoholic brew (in the 3 to 10% region) aerobic fermentation is generally required if the sugar content is low. For this reason I keep my bottles of brew tightly capped with very little air at the top. This yields an excellent tasting brew (for the bottles that don't explode at least).

If I were to loosen the cap towards the end of the brew, they would be significantly alcoholic. I recently tried to brew some mead and came to the conclusion that it is almost impossible to brew a non-alcoholic mead. Despite my best efforts, I ended up with some very potent stuff!

Here in Australia, we have a number of barley based drinks that are used by LDS and others. There is ECCO, CARO (my favourite) and NATURES CUPPA. Caro and NC both include chicory as well as barley. They are quite an adequate substiture for coffee.

I am also wondering whether hot drink would include hot chocolate or hot apple cider. ( and for you Auzzies cider isn't like cider in other countries. Here it is NOT fermented.)

I have no problem with hot chocolate. The thought of drinking cider hot turns mys stomach. In Australia, you can get both alcoholic and non-alcoholic cider.

Brisbane Stake had a Stake Ball once that was a rip-roaring good time. Everybody said it was the best Ball the Stake had ever run.

Next morning, dozens of people called in sick for their church assignments. On a hunch a member of the SPcy decided to check what apple cider was supplied. In fine print on the label was "6% a/v"

 

[Cassiopeia]

Some Fundys take this to mean that beer and wine are okay as they aren't "strong" drinks.

Beer is generally made from hops, not barley. I like to brew my own Ginger Beer on occasion. In any brewing process some alcohol is always formed. However, there is a difference between aerobic and anaerobic fermentation. To make an alcoholic brew (in the 3 to 10% region) aerobic fermentation is generally required if the sugar content is low. For this reason I keep my bottles of brew tightly capped with very little air at the top. This yields an excellent tasting brew (for the bottles that don't explode at least).

If I were to loosen the cap towards the end of the brew, they would be significantly alcoholic. I recently tried to brew some mead and came to the conclusion that it is almost impossible to brew a non-alcoholic mead. Despite my best efforts, I ended up with some very potent stuff!

Here in Australia, we have a number of barley based drinks that are used by LDS and others. There is ECCO, CARO (my favourite) and NATURES CUPPA. Caro and NC both include chicory as well as barley. They are quite an adequate substiture for coffee.



I have no problem with hot chocolate. The thought of drinking cider hot turns mys stomach. In Australia, you can get both alcoholic and non-alcoholic cider.

Brisbane Stake had a Stake Ball once that was a rip-roaring good time. Everybody said it was the best Ball the Stake had ever run.

Next morning, dozens of people called in sick for their church assignments. On a hunch a member of the SPcy decided to check what apple cider was supplied. In fine print on the label was "6% a/v"

So what level of alcohol is acceptable? over here we have 3.2 % beer ...when I was in Cape Town I got a taste for ciders...which were 4%

And Swart..honestly now...decaf coffee? good or bad?

 

[Orontes]

Hello,

I worked in Japan and S. Korea for over eight years. In both countries there is a barely tea that is a common drink. It is considered perfectly acceptable by the Church. There are other teas that are not however.

 

[Swart]

And Swart..honestly now...decaf coffee? good or bad?

Bad

 

[Cassiopeia]

Bad

LOL...okay but WHY? This is an ongoing battle here in utah...if caffeine is the reason or..wait is it not the reason?

Anyway...what is an acceptable level of alcohol?

 

[Swart]

LOL...okay but WHY? This is an ongoing battle here in utah...if caffeine is the reason or..wait is it not the reason?

Because it's still coffee. I don't believe caffeine is the main reason coffee is a problem.
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/dec2001/1007419335.Ch.r.html
http://www.farsinet.com/hottea/tannic_acid_in_tea.html
http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_dhea_dihydroepiandosterone.html

Not to mention the dangerously high levels of DHMO.

Anyway...what is an acceptable level of alcohol?

If I can taste it, or it gives me a buzz even if I have to drink a crateload, then it's too much.

 

[newyorksaint]

Technically, any alcohol would be bad. However, the word of wisdom is also for people to make up their own mind about. I know caffine is not prohibited in the WoW, but Pres. Hinckley has stated that he wishes people would refraine from its use, due to the fact that caffine is an addictive drug.

 

[Alma]

One of the primary ingredients for beer is "malt" obtained from malted barley. The Word of Wisdom does allow for "mild" drinks as opposed to "hard" or distilled alcohol. Beer wasn't included by Church leaders as a prohibited item until the administration of Joseph F. Smith in the early 1900's. It was then that church leaders decided that total abstinence from alcohol would be the rule of faithful members. However, some people who had trouble living without tea were still allowed to obtain recommends. "Old women" and "Old men" were allowed to drink tea and distilled alcohol respectively (presumably as treatment for the rheumatism) as strick observance was phased in over about 20 years.

Alma

 

[marvmax]

Alma's comment reminds me of a story my brother-in-law told me. There was a member of the stake presedency in his stake that was having some problems with his kindeys. His doctor told him that he could give him some medicine for the problem but the best solution would be for him to take a bath that was as hot as he could stand it and drink a couple of cans of beer. He said he would understand if he didn't want to do this because of his religious beliefs. The president went home and found a six pack of beer in the refigerator. Unbeknownst to him his his daughter had a six pack of beer, I can't remember how she got the six pack but it was an unusual occurance, and she decided that she would put in the refrigerator to freak her Dad out. When he got home and saw it there he decided that his wife must have heard what the doctor had prescribed and had bought the six pack for him to use, so he went in to take the hot bath and toss back a few. Who do you think was the most freaked out when they got home and found out that their Dad could not resist the temptation of a six pack in the refrigerator and was in the bathtub drowing his troubles?

As I said this is hear say from my brother-in-law, usually a suspect source, but he now serves in the same presidency and when he told us this he was laughing so hard he could hardly get through it.

 

[Blackmarch]

Hey Swart, DocT, fatboys, and all yall other Latter-day Saints out there.

My husband and I were discussing the Word of Wisdom tonight and I read D&C 89 to him. We were wondering, can you tell us what you think of this verse?

D&C 89: 17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

Now my husband is not LDS ...never has been and you all know I am an apostate so we were wondering about the bolded part. Barley is used in making beer and we all know beer isn't a strong drink so it is legal to be LDS and drink beer?

I am also wondering whether hot drink would include hot chocolate or hot apple cider. ( and for you Auzzies cider isn't like cider in other countries. Here it is NOT fermented.)

Thanks ahead of time for participating.

Casi

Here is some personal intrpretation so this mainly applies to this one.. but you may take what you want from it- there are some drinks that are made of herbs and grains like herbal tea that are medicinal or OK to drink.. as far as my knowledge goes a mild drink could be something like koolaid or mountain dew if someone wanted to get nitpicky. However that is opinion.

 

[buddy mack]

Hello,

I worked in Japan and S. Korea for over eight years. In both countries there is a barely tea that is a common drink. It is considered perfectly acceptable by the Church. There are other teas that are not however.

Now we know what is really important to god, judging whether or not we are drinking barelyl or other kind of teas. I sure hope i am drinking the right tea, but i cant remember if its green, black, red, barely, or just good old faction ice tea. Oh heck do i drink it with lemon or not?
Oh well, my eternal salvation depends on this, i just better be safe and drink a cold beer insteand.

 

[Vwpsst20]

Technically, any alcohol would be bad. However, the word of wisdom is also for people to make up their own mind about. I know caffine is not prohibited in the WoW, but Pres. Hinckley has stated that he wishes people would refraine from its use, due to the fact that caffine is an addictive drug.

In my opinion it just all boils down to how people perceive it. The church has made it clear about consuming alcoholic beverages, cigarettes, etc. If it has alcohol, I would say NO, we do not drink it.

No matter how low the percentage is... IMO.

 

[skylark1]

I've heard some LDS claim that the WoW only applies to black tea, not green tea, even though both are made form the same plant. Do other LDS also make this distinction?

 

[Vwpsst20]

I've heard some LDS claim that the WoW only applies to black tea, not green tea, even though both are made form the same plant. Do other LDS also make this distinction?

Personally.. No. I do not consume tea in general.

 

[gort]

Now we know what is really important to god, judging whether or not we are drinking barelyl or other kind of teas. I sure hope i am drinking the right tea, but i cant remember if its green, black, red, barely, or just good old faction ice tea. Oh heck do i drink it with lemon or not?
Oh well, my eternal salvation depends on this, i just better be safe and drink a cold beer insteand.

aka.....barley pop



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[Cassiopeia]

I've heard some LDS claim that the WoW only applies to black tea, not green tea, even though both are made form the same plant. Do other LDS also make this distinction?

As a participating LDS I DID drink herbal teas...the ones from Celestial Seasonings.

Now as a business owner I am selling a tea that is not only a naturally free of caffiene, it is very low in tanine. I have several people who are LDS who believe it is alright to drink it. It is one of those teas you would drink especially if you aren't well. Swart will recognize the name Rooibos. I have yet to have one LDS person tell me they can't or think to drink it would be breaking the word of wisdom.

 

[Cassiopeia]

okay guys another question...my grandpa used to have a shot of blackberry brandy when he had a really bad chest cold just before going to bed. Said it stopped his coughing and helped him sleep. Breaking the word of wisdom?

My daughter was scolded by her Bishop in a recommend interview for drinking tea when she was sick..The Stake President on the other hand told her..that if it was during illness and given to her by me that he knew me and believed me to be working with the spirit to make her better.

thoughts?

 

[skylark1]

As a participating LDS I DID drink herbal teas...the ones from Celestial Seasonings.

Now as a business owner I am selling a tea that is not only a naturally free of caffiene, it is very low in tanine. I have several people who are LDS who believe it is alright to drink it. It is one of those teas you would drink especially if you aren't well. Swart will recognize the name Rooibos. I have yet to have one LDS person tell me they can't or think to drink it would be breaking the word of wisdom.

I wasn't asking about herbal tea, but about green tea.

 

[Doc T]

I've heard some LDS claim that the WoW only applies to black tea, not green tea, even though both are made form the same plant. Do other LDS also make this distinction?

I may have been one of those LDS who told you such and I may have been mistaken. I was unaware that the plant they both come from is known as the tea plant. I have heard there are some in Asia that do drink it and others who are told not to. No clear word on this one, but for now I am no longer recommending green tea to LDS members. Perhaps Alma or Orontes can give us more enlightment.

Doc

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