[Baptists]Poll on whether to open up discussion of homosexuality and gay marriage

[Bluelion]

For once, we are in complete agreement.

God Bless

Till all are one.

imagine that would be nice if we agreed more but i'll take it

 

[Bluelion]

Actually that is incorrect, abomination was a word for something detestable / hatred. Abomination is worse than a sin.

toebah: abomination
Original Word: תּוֹעֵבָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: toebah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-ay-baw')
Short Definition: abominations
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
abomination
NASB Translation
abominable (5), abominable act (1), abomination (39), abominations (60), detestable (2), detestable act (1), detestable thing (3), detestable things (3), loathsome (2), object of loathing (1).

This is all sin to God. It's not saying this is a really bad sin but then sin is less so its not so bad, sin is sin. certain sins such as the one we are discussing God takes direct action against, another is sowing seeds of discord, God takes direct action against that sin, that is just off the top of my head. The sin a of gays God says they pay the price within them selves, they are in their own hell inside them self. The sin of gays falls under one class sexual immorality, you can not single out one sin and say yes but this is really bad, doesn't work that way. All sin is sin, and some sins have direct action which comes about from doing them, such as pride to name another. God said if you go around sleeping with many women or men for women you destroy your soul. I don't think a person can say oh don't do this sin it is really bad while over looking other sins. It must all be addressed as sin and wrong. To say one sin is less is almost to give permission for that sin. If i say to my son don't throw food, and then I say but really don't touch the stuff big trouble for that, that is confusing. My son thinks oh well its not so bad to throw food but it is really bad to touch the stove. So my son throws food telling himself I will not get in that much trouble. But if i say you get in big trouble for doing something i told you not to it does not matter he does not disobey because he knows. You should not do any sin, it is all wrong, telling a lie is a sin, its still sin. does that make sense?

 

[98cwitr]

For once, we are in complete agreement.

God Bless

Till all are one.

It's a miracle!

 

[Bluelion]

If sin is sin, and all Sins are the same then why would God say homosexuality is an abomination? That makes no sense. Again homosexuality is an abomination which is worse than a sin to God.

"http://jesusalive.cc/ques85.htm

Q: #85. Sin is sin. All sin is equal to God, right?

By: Steve Shirley

A: When this subject comes up, people who know me start laughing because they know this belief drives me crazy. So, let me begin by saying, "NO, sin is NOT sin...!!

I guess almost everyone is taught this at one time or another. What amazes me is that almost everyone seems to believe it. There is no place in the Bible that EVER says, "sin is sin." It isn't even logical to believe God views a murder the same as a lie. What would God consider worse, if Hitler lied to millions of people, or murdered millions of people? If you say God doesn't care either way, it is the same to Him.... that just isn't rational...

Of course, the Bible bears this out. Let's look at an example.

In the Old Testament, what was the punishment God ordered for someone who stole something from another person? It was restitution (Ex 22:1-4)(Lev 6:2-5)(2 Sam 12:6). They had to repay what was stolen plus interest. Now, what was the punishment God ordered for someone who murdered another person? The person who murdered another person was to be killed (Ex 21:12-14,23-25)(Num 35:16-21,29-31)(Gen 9:6).

If God viewed the thief's sin as equal with the murderer's sin, why didn't He order the thief to be killed just like the murderer? Or, why didn't He order the murderer to pay restitution just like the thief? On the contrary, God said the murderer CANNOT pay restitution (Num 35:32). Obviously, God does not view the sin of the murderer as equal with the sin of the thief.

The only other thing I can think of to make this point, is simply to post different verses showing that God views sins differently.

(Ezek 8:6,13,15) is a good place to start. I will not post all of the verses for the sake of space, but if you read these, you will find that God is talking to Ezekiel, and showing him the sins of Israel, and how each sin is successively worse than the previous sin.

(Jn 19:11)(Jesus speaking to Pilate) Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath THE GREATER SIN.

(James 3:1) My brethren, be not many masters (teachers), knowing that we shall receive the GREATER CONDEMNATION (will be judged more harshly if teaching incorrectly).

(Ezek 16:52) Thou also, which hast judged they sisters, bear thine own shame for THY SINS THAT THOU HAST COMMITTED MORE ABOMINABLE THAN THEY: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.

We also are shown clearly that some will receive GREATER PUNISHMENT in Hell for sins than others will. Why?? If God views all sin the same, why are some going to be punished more?

(Lk 12:47-48) And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. (48) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

(Jer 16:18) And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin DOUBLE; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with carcasses of their detestable and abominable things.

(Mk 12:40) Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: THESE SHALL RECEIVE GREATER DAMNATION.

(Gen 4:15) And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him SEVENFOLD...

(Heb 10:29) of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?

(Mt 11:24) But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

(Isa 40:2) God made Jerusalem pay double for it's sins.

(Jer 17:18) Jeremiah asked God to destroy those who persecuted him with double destruction.

*(Caps emphasis on all verses above mine)

One more thing I would add here, why does God consider some sins "abominations" and others not?

OK... now that I have made the case that God doesn't view all sins equally, let me add one provision here.

Sin is equal in ONE way. A lie will keep you out of Heaven just as much as a murder will. No sinner can get to Heaven; not a liar, not a murderer, not a thief. The only way to get to Heaven is to be perfect, and we will NEVER be perfect. This is why we all need Jesus Christ. Jesus lived the perfect life we could never live, and when we are born again, His perfect righteousness is imputed to us. His blood covers our sins, and makes us acceptable to God and able to get into Heaven.

We should also remember that ANY sin will separate us (as Christians) from walking closely with the Lord while on this planet. It does not break our union with God, but it can break our communion with Him. This is why we need to confess our sins, and repent, keeping short accounts with the Lord."

sin means to miss the mark The mark is God's standard, you can miss the mark by a little or a lot does it matter? you still missed the mark. You say don't do this it is a really bad sin, Jesus says don't do any sin. God said if you are angry with your brother or sister you are a murder and they do not have eternal life. So in God's standard you don't have to take a persons life to be a murder. You say if you sleep with a married woman you are adulterer, God says if you look a a woman with lust you are an adulterer. So no we do not measure in levels of sin, sin is sin.

 

[Saricharity]

I'm so happy to see agreement on this topic
It is such a discouragement to see it promoted and celebrated elsewhere. It is enabling people to live in blantant sin without consequence. We cannot tolerate and enable sin. We need to be building people up and encouraging them to be free from sin and seek relationship with God. I read in my devotions today that "A house divided against itself cannot stand!".
A good reminder.

 

[Sojourner1]

Bump

 

[MrJim]

Results here are encouraging....elsewhere~not so much....

 

[98cwitr]

Is this thread still necessary?

 

[mikedsjr]

Is this thread still necessary?

Of course. It provides fodder for a subject no one wants to talk about.

Om nom nom nom[emoji517]

 

[JCFantasy23]

Is this thread still necessary?

Voting closes later today on the 29th

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I vote NO

 

[Tallguy88]

This forum voted no by a wide margin. This forum will not allow full discussion of homosexuality or SSM.

Closing and sticking this thread.

Final tally after discounting ineligible votes is 3 yes, 12 no