(Baptist Views please)-- abortion

[ZiSunka]

Furthermore, PP doesn't even view the fetus as being a valuable member of society, but something to be kept or disgarded according to economic sensibilities:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp...ion/fact-abortion-medical-social-benefits.xml

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/fact-abortion-medical-social-benefits.xml

• Compared to pro-choice states, anti-abortion states spend far less money per child on a range of services such as foster care, education, welfare, and the adoption of children who have physical and mental disabilities (Schroedel, 2000).
• The states that have the strongest anti-abortion laws are also the states in which women suffer from lower levels of education and higher levels of poverty, as well as from a lower ratio of female-to-male earnings. They also have a lower percentage of women in the legislature and fewer mandates requiring insurance providers to cover minimum hospital stays after childbirth (Schroedel, 2000).

In sum, no amount of controversy over abortion can negate the evidence that American women, men, children, and families have reaped great benefits to their physical, mental, and social health from the U.S. Supreme Court's historic decision in Roe v. Wade. Any erosion of a woman's right and access to medically safe, legal abortion jeopardizes the health of women, their families, and the nation as a whole.

There is no mention of the economic and emotional benefits to a family with children, no mention of tax benefits, benefits to society, benefits to the world at large, just a recitation of how less money is spent on children, education and adoption in states with liberal abortion laws, as if spending less on education, children and adoption were good things!

 

[ZiSunka]

Who are we to even question God about the conception of a baby?

Isaiah 45: 5 I am the LORD; there is no other God. I have prepared you, even though you do not know me, 6 so all the world from east to west will know there is no other God. I am the LORD, and there is no other. 7 I am the one who creates the light and makes the darkness. I am the one who sends good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things. 8 Open up, O heavens, and pour out your righteousness. Let the earth open wide so salvation and righteousness can sprout up together. I, the LORD, created them. 9 "Destruction is certain for those who argue with their Creator. Does a clay pot ever argue with its maker? Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying, 'Stop, you are doing it wrong!' Does the pot exclaim, 'How clumsy can you be!' 10 How terrible it would be if a newborn baby said to its father and mother, 'Why was I born? Why did you make me this way?'"
11 This is what the LORD, the Creator and Holy One of Israel, says: "Do you question what I do? Do you give me orders about the work of my hands? 12 I am the one who made the earth and created the people to live on it.

God created the babies, even the ones who are aborted. He created them in His image:
26 Then God said, "Let us make people F2 in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life – the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals, F3 and small animals." 27 So God created people in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and told them, "Multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Be masters over the fish and birds and all the animals."

By killing an unborn child, we are killing someone made in the image of God. What Christian should ever advocate killing the image of God??

 

[ZiSunka]

Plus, the Bible clearly states that babies are sentient, and spiritually alive:

Luke 1:39 A few days later Mary hurried to the hill country of Judea, to the town 40 where Zechariah lived. She entered the house and greeted Elizabeth. 41 At the sound of Mary's greeting, Elizabeth's child leaped within her, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, "You are blessed by God above all other women, and your child is blessed. 43 What an honor this is, that the mother of my Lord should visit me! 44 When you came in and greeted me, my baby jumped for joy the instant I heard your voice! No baby could jump for joy if it was without senses or unable to be spiritual. It is as alive and unique as any birthed child is, and no less deserving of life and respect.

God says only savages don't respect the young:
Deuteronomy 28:49 "The LORD will bring a distant nation against you from the end of the earth, and it will swoop down on you like an eagle. It is a nation whose language you do not understand, a fierce and heartless nation that shows no respect for the old and no pity for the young.

To abort a child is to destroy a gift from God:
Psalms 127:3 Children are a gift from the LORD; they are a reward from him.

Can anyone then think that abortion is a good thing or that Planned Parenthood isn't malevolent to babies?

 

[DeaconDean]

Abortion is wrong! Jeremiah records this:

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." (Jer. 1:5)

Notice he said that the Lord God knew him even before he was formed.

Now I know that "The Revelation of Paul" isn't considered to be part of the canon, but listen to what is recorded there:

"And I saw in another place women wearing black, and led away into a dark place. And I asked: Who are these, my lord? And he said to me: These are they who did not listen to their parents, but before their marriage defiled their virginity. And I saw women wearing white robes, being blind, and standing upon obelisks of fire; and an angel was mercilessly beating them, saying: Now you know where you are; you did not attend when the Scriptures were read to you. And the angel said to me: These are they who corrupted themselves and killed their infants. Their infants therefore came crying out: Avenge us of our mothers. And they were given to an angel to be carried away into a spacious place, but their parents into everlasting fire."

-The Revelation of Paul

Frighting to think of eh?

 

[Homesick4Heaven]

I found this quote at gotquestions . org in the life begins at conception question. (as I cannot yet post links, I would be glad to give them in private messages for any that are interested)

God reveals to us in His Word that not only does life begin at conception, but He knows who we are even before then (Jeremiah 1:5). King David said this about God's role in our conception: "For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother's womb....Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them" (Psalm 139:13, 16).

and this quote also from same site, but in a different spot it is in the Bible-abortion thread.

There was no practice of abortion in Bible times. Therefore, the Bible never specifically addresses the issue. However, there are numerous teachings in Scripture that make it abundantly clear what God’s view of abortion is. Jeremiah 1:5 tells us that God knows us before He knits us in the womb. Psalm 139:13-16 speaks of God’s active role in our creation and formation in the womb. Exodus 21:22-25 prescribes the same penalty of someone who causes the death of a baby in the womb as the penalty for someone who commits murder. This clearly indicates that God considers a baby in the womb as just as much of a human being as a full-grown adult. For the Christian, abortion is not a matter of a woman’s right to choose. It is a matter of the life or death of a human being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27; 9:6).

In my humble opinion, as someone who was raised in the Southern Baptist Church, but has returned to my Messianic Jewish roots, G-d clearly states He is the source of life. If you believe He does not make mistakes or have accidents, then every pregnancy is planned by Him and with purpose. If you believe G-d can make mistakes or create in error, you do not believe Scripture is the infallible Word of G-d and are calling G-d a liar. It is our willful disobedience that ends the pregnancy. "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" (Isaiah 46:9-10). In the very words from G-d's mouth, He states He will do His pleasure in all things. In case you haven't tried willful disobedience lately, you end up getting spanked when it is all said and done. You may get your way for a short time, but only because a lesson must be learned. Our nation will learn the same lesson other countries are learning about killing off its population for its own selfish or hateful reasons--we will die as a nation. When you kill more babies than are being born in a year, you enter what is called a negative growth, meaning you are dying as a population. As a nation, we are long overdue for a Divine Spanking as my rabbi puts it.