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Baptist Tithe

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Like the Orthodox Church, Baptists distinguish between tithing and giving an "offering." The word "tithe" actually means the "tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income." Because of this, Baptists believe that members should leave 10 percent of their income for tithing to their church. This tithe is expected and not optional. An offering would be anything above that you give to the Baptist church that exceeds the 10 percent that makes up your tithe.

Function
As with other churches, tithes pay for the basic expenses of a Baptist church. Heat and electricity are two examples. Depending on the size of the Baptist church, the heating and/or electric bill could be thousands of dollars a month. Tithes also benefit special programs, such as international missionaries and local charities. Many Baptists churches will use tithes to purchase food and other supplies for the less fortunate members of the community. This, of course, depends on how many members the church has and how much money is given to that church.

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Tithing occurs for most Baptists during the Sunday service. Ushers will walk down the aisle holding baskets while church members place money or envelopes (filled with money or a check) into the basket. In larger churches, these baskets can actually be passed through the pews so that members can easily place their tithe into the basket. Some Baptist churches will ask members to simply withhold 10 percent of their earning throughout the month. Members of the congregation will then give their tithe to the church either at the beginning or end of the month.

Benefits
A common belief held by many Baptists is that they will be rewarded both financially and spiritually by tithing. This comes from Luke 6:38, which states "Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Tithing fulfills a commandment from God and thus is necessary for one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (see Matthew 6:19-21 in Resources).

Expert Insight
Many people worry and even feel guilty about their tithing practices. If you find yourself in this situation, call your minister and tell him about your concerns. You should feel comfortable enough to speak about your finances with your minister. This is especially important if you are worried about losing 10 percent of your weekly (or monthly) income. Spend some time in prayer if you don't know how much to tithe and work with your minister on ways to give more or less of your money to the church.



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I just have a question that I wanted to ask another christian male about tithing. I feel really guilty these days about tithing, because I have not been able to do so. I make an offering every Sunday at church, but that is about all I can afford. I have a wife and two children and all I want is to keep the bills paid. I don't live beyond my means or anything like that, but I do make a good salary. We have a house and pretty nice things. Unfortunately, with my wife not making a lot, I have to pay 95% of the bills. I guess what I am asking is should I be doing more? Am I showing a lack of faith in GOD my provider by not tithing right now? My church says we should tithe 10% of our gross salary. If I did that, I know I would not be able to pay all of our bills.
 
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Lesson #3

TITHES & OFFERINGS IN THE N. T.

Memory Verse: I Cor. 16:2 (N.W. II Cor. 9:6)

I. THE DOCTRINE OF GIVING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

A. Jesus Commended the Tithe.

Matt. 23:23, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

1. The Pharisees payed a tithe out of their garden.

a. This was getting down to the little things, but Jesus said this was right. He did condemn them for omitting even weightier matters.

b. They even tithed of their spices which they raised. "Mint was grown for its pleasant odour; anise, or dill and cummin, for their aromatic flavor. These were cultivated, not for food, but for scents and relishes; and only a small quantity of each would be grown in a private garden for the use of a household." Fraser

2. Jesus was a tither. He kept the law and tithing was a part of that law. The Pharisees and others sought to find Him in violation of the law, but they never accused Him of not tithing.

B. Paul Correctly Taught The Churches.

1. His teaching on the support of pastors and missionaries.

a. The Old Testament priests were supported by tithes and offerings. Num. 18:19-21, All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it is a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee. And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. I Cor.9:13, Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

b. The New Testament preacher to live this way. I Cor. 9:14, Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. Since the various flesh offerings that the priest could eat of were all done away with through the sacrifice of Christ, then the N.T. preacher would have to live from the tithes and freewill offerings.

2. Paul's appeals for offerings were addressed to Churches and not to individuals. II Cor. 8:1-7; 9:1-7. Compare with II Cor. 1:1. Individuals would give, but it was through their Church that they gave.

3. Tithing was practiced by New Testament Christians. Heb.7:8, And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

4. Paul endorsed proportionate giving. I Cor. 16:2, Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

a. Give periodically "Upon the first day of the week."

b. Give personally "every one of you."

c. Give in the proper place "lay by him in store." The storehouse is the Church where God's people gather on the first day of the week. Note in v. 1 that this is an order to the Church.

d. Give providentially "as God hath prospered." Prosperity comes from God.

e. Give proportionately "as God hath prospered." Give in proportion to your income.

f. Give preventively "that there be no gatherings when I come." It is better to give each week than to wait for the "gatherings."

II. THE EXAMPLES OF GIVING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

A. The Lord Observes Our Giving. Mark 12:41-44

And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

1. The Lord knows how much we give.

2. In the eyes of the Lord, the size of our gift is not determined by the amount we give, but how much we have left when we have given. The widow gave all.

3. The "mite" was about 1/5 of a cent.

4. This shows us that the poor should give also.

B. Some New Testament Saints Gave Sacrificially

1. Some New Testament believers gave all. Acts 4:32-37, And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

a. They brought it to the Church and laid it at the Apostles feet.

b. This was not communism for they volunteered to give their all, while Communism demands that we give all.

c. While we are not commanded to give all, when we have given ourselves, we are ready to give whatever the Lord would have us give.

2. The Macedonian saints lived in deep poverty, yet they gave liberally. II Cor. 8:1-5, Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves; Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints. And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

C. Dishonesty In Giving Is Dangerous. Acts 5:1-11

1. This couple joined with others in a freewill offering.

2. This couple vowed one thing, and then lied and cheated.

3. They had lied to the Holy Ghost and not to men.

4. The judged them for their sin.

Illustrations:

The greatest surprise of Mary's life was receiving a dollar on her fourth birthday. She carried the bill about the house and was seen sitting on the stairs admiring it. "What are you going to do with your dollar?" her mother asked. "Take it to Sunday School," said Mary promptly. "To show your teacher?" Mary shook her head. "No," she said. "I'm going to give it to God. He'll be as surprised as I am to get something besides pennies." Copied

If every church member in the United States were to suddenly lose his/her job and went on welfare, and yet were willing to tithe from the minimal amount received from public assistance, giving in the nation's churches would immediately increase over 30%! Copied

—by E. L. Bynum
 
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Tithing - What the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teaches about tithing and why it is wrong.


Before I get started I must premise this section by telling you that this is one of the most dangerous and destructive false teaching of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination. Teaching tithing is absolutely unbiblical and nothing more than mind control manipulation. There has been a lot of good information on the truth about tithing made available online and I will provide some links at the bottom of this page to web sites that I have read and agree with. The purpose of this page is not to go into a lot of detail about tithing. I would simply like to point out the false teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination in this area and touch on some of the important points about tithing that show why it is wrong.

When I recently asked an Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination minister about tithing this was his reply was: "When men will not tithe, (1) God's work on earth is hindered, (2) the non-tither is robbing God, (3) God will withhold His blessing, even chastening the non-tither. However, God has categorically promised to bless those who will so honor Him. Even other people would perceive God's blessing upon them as they returned to tithing."

False Teaching #1: Tithes vs. Offerings

The basis of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teachings for tithe is a distinction between "Tithes" and "Offerings". The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teaches that there is a difference between the two. Basically Tithes is 10% of your monetary Gross (before taxes) income and Offerings is anything over and above the tithe. They further teach that a person is commanded to tithe to the "Local" or "Home" church (the church with which they consider their permanent place of worship). They teach that if you wish to give over and above the tithe you can do so by giving more to the local church or to another ministry. They further teach that if you give your tithe to another ministry then it doesn't count as tithe but offerings and you are still "robbing God" if you don't give your tithe to your home church. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination used such verses as Deuteronomy 12:6,11; 2 Chronicles 31:12; Nehemiah 10:37; Nehemiah 12:44; Nehemiah 13:5; and Malachi 3:8 for the basis of their teachings. The offering isn't required, however, the tithe is required.

False Teaching #2: The "Devourer" - Curses for Not Tithing

The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination uses Malachi 3:10-11 to teach that if you don't tithe, the "Devourer" (Satan) will come and destroy your property as a punishment so that you will incur more financial burden. They teach that if you tithe God will protect your property and your finances through Divine Intervention and not allow bad things to happen that take up your resources such as cars breaking down and leaky roofs.

Here they spell out specifically that God promised that He would "rebuke the devourer." The word so translated as (lka awkal) literally means "the eater." The reference was to hoards of voracious insects which had destroyed their crops. Further, God promised that their vine would not prematurely "cast her fruit before the time in the field." The word translated as cast her fruit (lkv shawlol) has the sense of a "miscarriage." What had happened was that God had sent bad weather which caused the grape crop to be pre-maturely blown on the ground. It may have been by high winds, hail, or a combination of them. God had gotten His tithe. Israel, however, had missed God's blessing and had in fact paid the penalty for not tithing.


False Teaching #3: Blessings for those that Tithe

The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination wrongly teaches that tithing opens the door for God's blessings and when we don't tithe we are robbing from God and we will be cursed by God withholding His blessings from us. They sight Proverbs 3:9-10 and Malachi 3:7-11 for this belief.

They teach that the degree of giving was based upon how "God hath prospered" which they will say clearly implied proportional giving. In other words, we ought to give in direct proportion as God has blessed us. And of course the universal proportion throughout the Scripture is ten percent as the tithe. They think that Paul clearly is not referring to the tithe regarding the offering for the impoverished Judaean churches, the principle lies just beneath the surface here.

They will bring you back to the Israelites and tell you that as Israel began to tithe (even upon their greatly diminished crops) God promised that He would "open the windows of heaven." They say the reference is likely to sorely needed rain. (The phrase "the windows of heaven" is found three times in the Bible. Notably in the time of Noah it clearly referred to God sending rain. See Genesis 7:11, 8:2. It also is alluded to in II Kings 7:2,19 in the time of Elisha and the siege of Jerusalem. There it also likely was a reference to needed rain.) God prompted them to "prove me now herewith." In other words, "Put me to the test, and see if I will not bless you in return." God promised that as they began to once again tithe, He would pour out blessings for them such they would not be able to receive it all.


False Teaching #4: If you don't tithe you are branded a Thief

If you don't pay tithes the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination considers you a thief. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teaches that it is the members' responsibility to support the church financially. They use Mal. 3:8-10 to support this and they call the withholder of the tithes and offerings a thief. They even extend this fallacy to the New Testament claiming that I Corinthians 9:1-14, especially verse 14, obligates believers to support the church in precisely the same way that the Tabernacle was supported - by tithes and offerings.


False Teaching #5: Tithe Must come from the Gross Income

This is a huge deal for the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination. They teach that if you don't tithe from your gross income then your tithe doesn't count because in II Proverbs 3:9-10 the Lord tells us to "Honor the Lord with Firstfruits" which they interpret to mean that one should set aside the tithe FIRST and that it should come out of your gross income, before all other bills and expenses. They teach that if you leave the tithe until last, God usually misses out.

False Teaching #6: Storehouse Tithing

The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teaches that tithing is to be "storehouse" tithing. Storehouse tithing means the giving of the tithes into God's appointed place. In Old Testament days, the storehouse was the Jewish temple.

In the Old Testament, The storehouse mentioned was the treasury or warehouse adjacent to the Temple. The economy of the day was largely agriculture and trade was commonly done by barter. It was the practice of the Israelites to bring their tithe to the Temple in the form of the actual commodity (grain, figs, wine, etc.) These then were stored in a warehouse-type of building called the storehouse which was a part of the treasury of the Temple. (Interestingly, Paul used the equivalent Greek word translated as store in I Corinthians 16:2, referring to the local church.) As they did not tithe, the work of the Temple, specifically in the provision of the Levites food, was damaged.

In New Testament days, the storehouse is the treasury of one's local or home church. They use Acts 4:35, 37 5:2 to justify these teachings. According to Acts 4:35,37 and Acts 5:2, the Christians brought their tithes and offerings to the Apostles' feet. They also point to both Malachi 3 and Paul's mention of the "storehouse". According to 1 Corinthians 16:1,2 the Christians at Corinth were to collect their tithes & offerings and bring them to their local church at Corinth, or 'lay by him in store' on the first day of the Week, Sunday. They believe that I Corinthians 16:3 indicates not only that the storehouse is the church treasury, but that the church body collectively has the responsibility to designate where God's money is to be spent. The collective belief among the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination is that in this day and age the STOREHOUSE for your tithe is your LOCAL CHURCH. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination does not believe that it is not God's plan for you to give your tithe wherever you decide.

If you ask them WHY ARE WE TO PLACE OUR TITHE INTO OUR CHURCH? they will respond with what simply amounts to a guilt trip. They will tell you that your tithes and offerings are for the support, upkeep, and ministry of your Church. Tithes should never be designated by the giver. They are to be left for use as the Church body decides. As mentioned previously they teach that offerings over and above the tithe can go to other deserving ministries, but God says your tithe should go to your local church. They teach that if everyone gave their tithe to worthy ministries outside the local church, the local church would die and they take 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 out of context for this belief.

The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination is very good at telling the word translations from the Septuagint. They believe that the word translated as in store (yhsaurizw thesaurizo) is the same word used in the Septuagint for "storehouse" in Malachi 3:10. The greater point is that the local church of the New Testament has become the "storehouse" for the giving by God's people even as the Temple was during the time of the Law.


False Teaching #7: Tithes must be given on the First day of the Week - Sunday

The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination will present to you I Corinthians 16:2 where Paul directs how giving ought to be done. "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." They will say that this is a clear indication to the day of the week on which the gentile church assembled. It no longer was the Sabbath on Saturday. Because of our Lord's resurrection on the first day, the early church began to assemble thereon. They will also point to Acts 20:7.

They will convince you by stating that some claim Paul was admonishing them to personally and privately set aside funds to this end each Sunday until Paul arrived. However, that neither makes sense nor meshes with the context. But they argue that if that were the case, why not lay funds aside on payday which probably was Friday or some other day? The fact that Paul directed this be done on the Lord's day, when the church assembled, lends direct credence to the position of giving in the church service (i.e., putting it in the offering plate or whatever device they used). Furthermore they will tell you that Paul made clear that he did not want to be involved with taking such an offering when he arrived. It therefore follows that each Sunday, they were to take a special offering to be duly set aside toward the day of Paul's arrival.
 
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So what's wrong with the above? you ask... Well it would probably be easier to answer the question, What's NOT wrong with the above? However, I would like to touch on some of the most important reasons why what the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teaches about tithing is WRONG.

First of all it's important to understand that Tithing is a Biblical principle, however, it no longer applies because tithing was commanded under the Old Covenant. Tithing is no longer a relevant principle. Tithing was a command under the Mosaic Law, a series of laws that we are no longer obliged to follow. The Mosaic Laws were specifically for the Israelites during that time period. The Old Covenant was only meant for the Israelites until the New Covenant began at the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

We can see by reading Numbers 18:20-21 in context what the tithes were for. Numbers 18 is cataloging the duties of the priests and the Levites and showcasing what was done to support them as they worked in the Tabernacle. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination makes that mistake of stopping at verse 21. If you continue reading in that chapter you will see that tithes were food products from the land of Israel which were to be used to compensate the Levites for serving God in the Tabernacle as a replacement for their lost land inheritance rights in Israel (see Numbers 18:31). Every mention of tithe there after, is a reference to that law.

Since tithing was a part of the Law of Moses under the legal economy of Israel. It does not apply to the Church today, since we are under grace and not under the law (Romans 6:14; 10:4). The New Testament teaches proportional giving according to what we have, not what we don’t have (see 2 Cor. 8:12). The New Testament also teaches that we are to "make up your own mind as to how much you should give and don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure" (2 Corinthians 9:7). The Lord doesn't want us to give under compulsion or under a belief that we have to. The Lord wants us to give because we want to. Nor does the Lord care how much you give. The Lord is more concerned with your heart attitude and your motivation for giving.


Second, I have never heard a tithe message where Malachi 3 wasn't used. The problem is, however, that churches that use Malachi 3 to support tithing ignore five important Bible facts.

Malachi in context is part of the Old Covenant and, to my knowledge, is not quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing for us.


Malachi is very clear in addressing what the curses were for. The curses were for dishonest priests because they had stolen the best offerings from God (see Malachi In 1:6; 2:1 and 3:1-5). The "curse" of Malachi 3:9 is the curse of the Nation of Israel's breaking of the Old Covenant. Malachi's audience had recently re-committed themselves to fall under the blessings or curses of that Old Covenant Law. Voluntarily placing yourself under any one part of the Law, such as tithing, obligated you to keep all the Law perfectly. (see Deuteronomy 27:26 and Nehemiah 10:29).


In Malachi 3:10-11 the tithes mentioned are still referring to the food brought to the tabernacle NOT money (Lev. 27:30-33).


The assumption is made that Malachi is addressing everyone. The truth is that only landowners and herdsmen inside Israel were required to pay tithes not everyone. Others only paid free-will offerings


"Storehouse" does not mean "treasury". In Malachi's time, the government was involved in collecting and redistributing the church funds. Storehouses were considered the property of the theocratic state which received political aid to collect its tithes. Storehouses held food and sacrificial animals which were used to provide food for the poor, fatherless, and orphan in the land. It had nothing to do with bringing money to pay the salary of the Pastor or church leaders or for up keep and expansion of the Church building.


So as you can see, The truth of Malachi is completely different from what the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination teaches today about tithing. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination has taken Malachi out of context, twisted and manipulated it to fit their doctrine, and are using it in an abusive way that is very different from what it was intended to be used.

If Malachi 3:10 really worked for New Covenant Christians they way that the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination claims it works, then millions of poor tithing Christians would have been blessed with a blessing far above anything that anyone has ever imagined. There is no evidence that the majority of “tithe-payers”, whether poor or wealthy are ever blessed financially merely because they tithe (see Heb. 7:18, 19; 8:6-8, 13).

To confirm this, during my 25 years in the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination I give my "tithe" faithfully just as instructed by the leaders. I have never received the blessings that they claim that one will receive if one tithes. They will claim that I didn't tithe with the proper motivation or that I gave begrudgingly and that is the reason I haven't been blessed. No, that's just another lie of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination to guilt a person into paying tithes and to cover themselves from the liability of their false teachings.


Third, as stated earlier, tithing is not Taught in the New Testament. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination uses Matthew 23:23 to support the idea that Jesus taught the New Testament Church to tithe. If you look at the context carefully, however, you see that the New Covenant began at the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus NOT his birth (see also Gal. 3:19,24,25). When Jesus discussed tithing in Matthew 23:23, he was only commanding Jewish obedience to the Old Covenant Law which he endorsed and supported until Calvary. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus told his followers to obey the scribes and Pharisees "because they sit in Moses’ seat." Yet He did not command Gentiles whom He healed to present themselves to the priests and obey the Law of Moses. To my knowledge, there is not a single New Testament Bible text which teaches that New Testament Christians are supposed to continue tithing.

The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination will also try and convince you that tithing was taught by Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:14. Yes I agree, taken by itself verse 14 clearly indicates that those who preach the gospel should be supported by those who benefit from it. HOWEVER, the MESSAGE OF THE CHAPTER neither begins nor ends there. The entire chapter is the continuous thought of Paul. You can't just take one verse, pull it out and draw your conclusions from one single verse. By looking only at verse 14 you are only seeing one part of Paul's thoughts on the topic. You have to look at it in the context of the entire thought. I will talk about this passage more next.


Fourth, as stated earlier, tithing is not supposed to be for bringing money to pay the salary of the Pastor or church leaders or for up keep and expansion of the Church building. The FIBD uses the 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 passage to teach that church leaders should be supported with tithes "in the same way," "following the same principles" that were used to support Old Testament priests and that is why 1 Corinthians 9:14 begins with "even so" - to connect it with 9:13.

Again, I agree, taken by itself verse 14 clearly indicates that those who preach the gospel should be supported by those who benefit from it. As I indicated earlier, the MESSAGE OF THE CHAPTER neither begins nor ends there. The entire chapter is the continuous thought of Paul. You can't just take one verse, pull it out and draw your conclusions from one single verse. By looking only at verse 14 you are only seeing one part of Paul's thoughts on the topic. You have to look at it in the context of the entire thought.

If you keep this passage in context, you will see that Paul's message is not about tithing in the way that we know of it today at all. First of all, verse 14 has nothing to do with money. Verse 13 states: "those who work in the Temple get their MEALS from the FOOD brought to the Temple as OFFERINGS..." then in verse 14 he states "in the same way..." so Paul seems to only be referring to food provided as meals to the Temple workers it has nothing to do with money.

Secondly, if you Read verse 12 If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right. We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ. and continue reading after verse 14 15 Yet I have never used any of these rights. And I am not writing this to suggest that I want to start now. In fact, I would rather die than lose my right to boast about preaching without charge. 16 Yet preaching the Good News is not something I can boast about. I am compelled by God to do it. How terrible for me if I didn’t preach the Good News! 17 If I were doing this on my own initiative, I would deserve payment. But I have no choice, for God has given me this sacred trust. 18 What then is my pay? It is the opportunity to preach the Good News without charging anyone. That’s why I never demand my rights when I preach the Good News. you can clearly see that it wasn't Paul's intention to communicate that the OT principles should be followed. In fact he was stating the exact opposite. If you maintain the context of that chapter, however, it's clear that he is against church members paying to support his preaching. According to this passage, a preacher has a certain right to request money for payment but Paul is saying that he shouldn't use that right. For Churches to guilt the congregation into paying tithes so that the pastor is supported is pure manipulation.

Also, if you think about the relationship between the Pastor/Church Leaders and the congregation, common sense will tell you that a congregation paying the salary of the church leaders creates a very precarious ethical dilemma of a dual relationship. Paying the leader's salaries opens the door for individuals, especially those who pay a lot to the church, to control and manipulate the church staff. It invariably changes the relationship between the leaders and the congregation from one of fellow believer meeting together for worship, to one of payment for services rendered, which creates all kinds of problems.

I've heard stories about the rich person in the church who gives so much money to the church that he threatens to stop giving if the church doesn't do things his way. Of course the Pastor and staff are pressured into giving the individual what he/she wants so that the money keeps coming in.


Fifth, churches under the New Covenant were never meant to be a "storehouse" or even a building. The false teaching is that Christian buildings called "churches," "tabernacles," or "temples" replaced the OT Temple as God’s dwelling place. God’s Word never describes New Covenant churches as "tabernacles," "temples" or "buildings" in which God dwells! God’s church, God’s dwelling place, is within the believers. Believers do not "go to church"! Believers "assemble to worship." Also, since OT priests did not pay tithes, then tithing cannot logically continue. Therefore it is wrong to call a building "God’s storehouse" for tithes. (1 Cor. 3:16, 17; 6:19, 20; Eph. 1:22, 23; 2:21; 4:12-16; Rev. 3:12). For "storehouse" compare 1 Corinthians 16:2 with 2 Corinthians 12:14 and Acts 20:17, 32-35. For several centuries after Calvary Christians did not even have their own buildings (to call storehouses) because Christianity was an outlaw religion.


The following is an excerpt from "Should The Church Teach Tithing" - By Russell Earl Kelly which can be downloaded FREE by Clicking Here

Finally, we can see from history that tithing did not actually even become a part of the Church until A.D. 777. The false teaching is that the historical church has always taught tithing. The earliest Christian assemblies patterned themselves after the Jewish synagogues which were led by rabbis who, like Paul, refused to gain a profit from preaching and teaching God’s Word. There are many books on Jewish social life which explain this in great detail.

From Christ’s death until Christianity became a legally recognized religion almost 300 years later, the great majority of church leaders took self-imposed vows of poverty. This can be historically documented! They took Jesus’ words to the rich young ruler in Luke 18:22 literally "sell all that you have, give it to the poor, and follow me." Most church historians agree that these early church leaders for at least the first 200 years worked for a living and were self-supporting. How could a Christian leader tell a Roman census taker that he was a full-time preacher? That would almost guarantee his death!

Clement of Rome (c95), Justin Martyr (c150), Irenaeus (c150-200) and Tertullian (150-220) all opposed tithing as a strictly Jewish tradition. The Didache (c150-200) actually condemns traveling apostles who stay longer than three days and ask for money. And travelers who decided to remain with them were required to lean a trade. These early opponents of tithing are not quoted by modern tithe teachers.

Cyprian (200-258) tried to impose tithing in Carthage, North Africa around A.D. 250. At his conversion Cyprian gave away great personal wealth to the poor and lived under a vow of poverty. His idea of tithing included equal re-distribution to the poor. And we must remember that his ideas of tithing were not adopted. When tithe teachers quote Ambrose, Chrysostom and Augustine as so-called "church fathers" they conveniently leave out the first 200 years of church history. Even after Christianity became legal in the fourth century for over a thousand years the greatest spiritual leaders almost all took vows of deep poverty and preferred to live unmarried lives in monasteries. If these tithe teachers are quoted, then the church should also be told what kind of lives they usually led and how they redistributed the tithe to the poor.

Tithing was not always in the church. While disagreeing with their own theologians, most church historians write that tithing did not become an accepted doctrine in the church for over 700 years after the death of Christ. According to the very best historians and encyclopedias, it took over 500 years before the local church Council of Macon in France, in the year 585, tried unsuccessfully to enforce tithing on its members. It was not until the year 777 that Emperor Charlemagne legally allowed the church to collect tithes. And even then it was to gain favor with the Pope. That, my friend, is the history of tithing found in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Americana and the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia for everybody to read.
 
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Baptists on Tithing
Then they faithfully brought in the offerings, the tithes, and the dedicated things. -2 Chronicles 31:12
Honor the LORD with your possessions and with the first produce of your entire harvest. -Proverbs 3:9

Years ago Southern Baptists had a stewardship poster, “Every Baptist A Tither.” Long ago Baptists, and Christians in general, learned one of God’s basic ways of supporting the spread of the Gospel around the world was through the concept of giving tithes and offerings.

I believe in what is often called storehouse tithing. The tithe refers to 10% of your income that belongs to God. God gives us everything (Psalm 24:1; 1 Corinthians 4:7), He asks us to give back to Him 10%. He owns it all and has a right to ask for more. “Tithes and offerings” refers to a person giving 10% to the Lord; offerings refer to anything over and above the tithe, given to the Lord and His work. Storehouse tithing refers to giving your tithe to your local church. With perhaps a very few exceptions, I believe your tithe should be given to your church. You have a freedom to give over your tithe to any cause to which the Lord would lead you to give.

When Baptists get control of their debt and finances, they will have much greater freedom to give to the Lord. A beautiful thing about the tithe is that a poor man can give just as much to the Lord as a rich man.

Clear, concise examples of the tithe are found in the Law given by God to Moses:
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’s. It is holy to the LORD. -Leviticus 27:30
You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. -Deuteronomy 14:22

We are commanded to,
Bring all the tithes into the storehouse. -Malachi 3:10
Today the storehouse is the local church where we meet each Lord’s Day.

Some object to the tithe saying it was a part of the Old Testament Law and we are now under Grace. (I always wonder how much these individuals are really giving.) That does not mean, though, we throw out all the Old Testament commandments.

Those who say tithing was only a part of the Old Testament Law should be aware that tithing was practiced, and apparently commanded by God, before the Law was given to Moses. Long before the Law:
Melchizedek was king of Salem and the priest of God Most High. Abraham “gave him a tithe of all.” -Genesis 14:19
Jacob made a vow to God, “All that You give me I will surely give a tenth to You.” -Genesis 28:22

Furthermore, Grace does not mean Jesus gave all and sacrificially died on the Cross so we might give to the Lord 1%, instead of 10%.

Jesus not only referred to the tithe, He commended it.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. -Matthew 23:23 (Also Luke 11:42).

Contrary to the opinion of some, I believe the tithe is mentioned often in the New Testament (NT). The NT never negates the tithe. Rather it reinforces it over and over. Today we sometimes speak of tithing, more often we simply speak of giving. But as we speak of giving, we are including, not excluding, tithing. When I tell my church a believer should give to the Lord, I am including tithing. The same is true in the NT. The many verses in the NT that speak of giving, embrace, include, and commend the concept of tithing.

Therefore the following Scripture speaks of storehouse tithing.
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: on the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. -1 Corinthians 16:1-2

Contrary to some Health and Wealth false preachers, God does not promise to make you wealthy, by human standards, if you tithe. There is no guarantee that nothing bad will ever happen to you. But God does promise to bless and care for you. These blessings of God are both material and spiritual; they cover this life, and the one to come. If you tithe, God will provide. Some of the sweetest testimonies I’ve ever heard have been from those who began to practice tithing.

“Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.” -Luke 6:38

Don’t rob God (Malachi 3). Tithing is taught in God’s Word and is one way for us to show our love for God and others.

-David R. Brumbelow, Gulf Coast Pastor; September 26, AD 2011.
 
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Baptist 101: What is the offering or tithe?

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Offerings: It's more than spare change.
Scholars of the Bible can quote scripture after scripture where God directs His children to give back to him a portion of the blessings He has already given us. In 101 terms, God gives and we thank Him with giving back to him.

Scripture references tithing as giving 10% of your income to the Lord. Many calculate that 10% differently since your gross worth includes cars and homes and more. That would be a larger 10% than most Americans in today's society want to give over. Many give 10% of their gross paycheck. Many also give a portion of their income not following strictly to the 10% but knowing that they must prioritize God into their budget and give Him back what they should.

'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. Leviticus 27:30 (NIV)

...there bring your burnt offerings and sacrifices, your tithes and special gifts, what you have vowed to give and your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks. Deuteronomy 12:6 (NIV)

In churches today there is a mixture of "cradle-Christians" (those raised in the church) who might follow the 10% rule of thumb and the "baby-Christians" (those who are new to the church and traditions) who might pass the offering plate empty each week.

Offerings at church go to support the church budget. The church can provide you with their yearly budget which includes but is not limited to:

BG&E Electric bill
Phone and internet service
Insurance
Mortgage or Loan Payments
Maintenance
Janitorial
Pastors' salaries
Secretary & staff salaries
Copy paper and office supplies
Offering / Missionary Support (most budgets for churches also offer their own offering)
Special outreach programs (VBS, festivals, trips, guests)
AND MORE!
18And we are sending along with him the brother who is praised by all the churches for his service to the gospel. 19What is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany us as we carry the offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help. 20We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. 2 Corinthians 8:18-20 (NIV)

When an individual gets paid they often take that check and divide it up to the bills they need to pay for the house. If the church is God's house and we are God's people in it, then we need to take care of God's house. We need to put a regular offering of the best that we can give, if not 10% of our check, into the offering plate.

The Bible promises blessings in return for following the Word of God. God will take care of His children. The blessing might not fall from the sky like manna and it might not come in riches beyond the lottery, but God will take you blessed and broken (broken wallet too) and multiply.

It is important to give an offering so the church (God's house) can function and hopefully function well. It is also important because the Bible says to give back to God what was already His in the first place.

Check out this really funny video about tithing and maybe you'll see things in a different light.
 
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I believe that all above can be shortened as follows:
Baptist churches need to cover financials needs and the way they do it is by asking from members a 10% of theyr income.
This 10% of the income gived to the Baptist Church is called tithe (it may lead to confusion with the tithe mentioned in the Bible)
The Baptist Church do not claim that the so called tithe is gived to God, but recognices that is gived to the Baptist Church.

At the other hand; the Baptist Church recognices that the practice of the so called tithe causes feeling of guilt in the most of the members.
 
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Many people worry and even feel guilty about their tithing practices.


I just have a question that I wanted to ask another christian male about tithing. I feel really guilty these days about tithing, because I have not been able to do so.

The above are statement not of me (Zeleste) but from some Baptist Sites in Internet.

Feeling guilty is a big problem in conection with the tithe practiced by Baptist Churches. Some Pastors as mine, manage the situation giving to the brother a total liberty do give freely and joyfull; not as an obligations. Some other Baptist Pastors try to found a solution in witch the giving is out of question; and the solution is other than quit giving.

In my opinion, the guilty felling is the worst problem in spiritual life. And (in my opinion) all brother feel that guilt in relation to the so called tithe. There is no way a brother gives enough in order of not to feel guilty.
 
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Zeleste,
Paul simply states this: Give a portion of your income to support the church. Nowhere in the new testament does it command or even recommend a legalistic tithing system. You are trying to make rocket science out of something so simple. All who have eyes can see many things wrong in todays Churches... Again I would suggest focusing on your own personal offense to God. Please be patient I see your passion and I'm sure God does too. Please I beg you stop trying to make rocket science out of something SO simple..
A Church can be found on every street corner... God's appointed cannot!
I love you Zeleste, Please Focus your efforts on something fruitful.:preach:
 
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My church says we should tithe 10% of our gross salary. If I did that, I know I would not be able to pay all of our bills.
Have you considered the possibility that if you did this God might help you to pay your bills?
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the LORD of hosts.
(Malachi 3:10-11 ESV)

Tithing might not be required today but the principle behind this statement is. If we put God first in our giving he will see that we have all of our needs met.
 
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Zeleste,
Paul simply states this: Give a portion of your income to support the church. Nowhere in the new testament does it command or even recommend a legalistic tithing system. You are trying to make rocket science out of something so simple. All who have eyes can see many things wrong in todays Churches... Again I would suggest focusing on your own personal offense to God. Please be patient I see your passion and I'm sure God does too. Please I beg you stop trying to make rocket science out of something SO simple..
A Church can be found on every street corner... God's appointed cannot!
I love you Zeleste, Please Focus your efforts on something fruitful.:preach:

1 - Paul did never states for Christians to give a portion of the income to support the church.
2 - I can see that you are very interested in this issue to be silenced.
3 - Tithe is the worst spiritual problem of present church. Not one more of many, but the very worst problem. It leads to a feshy life, poor pray, etc. etc. I can not figure of another problem similar to tithe.
 
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Have you considered the possibility that if you did this God might help you to pay your bills?
Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the LORD of hosts.
(Malachi 3:10-11 ESV)


Tithe is not for geting economical benefits from God. What you are saying is absolutly prohibited by the Hole Spirit: to tithe according to the Moses Law (Malachi).

Your teaching is not only wrong but it is tempting the brothers into sin. As I say above: tithe is the worst sinn problem of today church. You are a perfect example of it.
 
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Tithing might not be required today but the principle behind this statement is. If we put God first in our giving he will see that we have all of our needs met.

There is not such thing as a "principle". This is a fabrication in orther to desieve people. The second trick is to temp them by offering false promesses of financial benefits from God.

TITHE IS THE MOST IMPOSTANT ISSUE TO BE ADRESSED.
 
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Zeleste, do you honestly have a problem, or are you just trying to rattle cages of people who do tithe?

I can tell you that my wife and I do tithe, and God looks after us. We have the money and material things that we NEED and more. God promises that He will provide when we we tithe. You need to decide what is right for you. Here is what works for us, but don't do anything because I tell you as it is a matter between you and God so speak to Him about it.

Malachi

3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein
have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole
nation.

3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat
in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of
hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you
out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not
destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her
fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

3:12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome​
land, saith the LORD of hosts.
 
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Zeleste, do you honestly have a problem, or are you just trying to rattle cages of people who do tithe?

I can tell you that my wife and I do tithe, and God looks after us. We have the money and material things that we NEED and more. God promises that He will provide when we we tithe. You need to decide what is right for you. Here is what works for us, but don't do anything because I tell you as it is a matter between you and God so speak to Him about it.

Malachi

3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein
have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole
nation.

3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat
in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of
hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you
out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not
destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her
fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

3:12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome​
land, saith the LORD of hosts.

Dear

I can tell you that my wife and I do NOT tithe and NEVER did, and God looks after us. We have the money and material things that we NEED and more. God promises that He will provide if we obey him in all. Part of our obedience in NOT getting ourselves back into the LAW.

Tithing as you do probably is a direct desobedience of God. And is not practicing any Baptist doctrine. You are tempted to trust in money and have been rewarded y the tempter.

I remindyou that this is a baptist secction of CF and you can not introduce extrange practices and doctrines.
 
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Guilt
Guilt = sin.
Who ever feels gulty, has concience of being in fault. Feeling gulty comes from thinking one is doing something wrong. The presence of guilt reflect a problem of faith. The guilty person (christian) is acting against his own belives and faith.

Guilt is not about doing the wrong, is about thinking one is doing something wrong. Christians can feel guilt despite not breaking any God commandment or Christ teaching. It is enough to think one is. Perhaps there is not a sin to whear a shrt skirt; but the christian girl that has the wrong teaching that short skirts are sinfull, she will feel guity. That despite if the short skirt is sinful or not.

The problem with tithe is that it operates in the basis of guilt. Tithing and giving is neverenough. Pastor insist in we giving, giving more and even more. Neveer enough. Our tithing or giving is always below the correct giving.

It is irrelevant what God is asking from as, and what is not. If we are giving less than what we believe we have to give... we get guit, sin and break communion with God and the Holy Spirit.

Next thing is a life of week pry, and based on our flesh. Even the efforts we do to give more and on the flesh, not on the spirit.
 
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Mark 12:41-44
41 Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. 42 Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which make a quadrans. 43 So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury; 44 for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”
 
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Dear

I can tell you that my wife and I do NOT tithe and NEVER did, and God looks after us. We have the money and material things that we NEED and more. God promises that He will provide if we obey him in all. Part of our obedience in NOT getting ourselves back into the LAW.

Tithing as you do probably is a direct desobedience of God. And is not practicing any Baptist doctrine. You are tempted to trust in money and have been rewarded y the tempter.

I remindyou that this is a baptist secction of CF and you can not introduce extrange practices and doctrines.

Dear, my wife and I are very happy living with God as we do. If you don't want to give back to God some of what He gives to you, so be it. Just don't criticize Christians for living as they understand God would like them to do. I want to remind you that Baptists have the freedom to live as God has expressed His desires in the Scriptures. We will continue following the practice of tithing. You do as you wish. You are the one who brought up this subject inviting comments. If you don't want an answer, don't ask the question. I believe even more now that you started this post to criticize Baptists who practice tithing.
 
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