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Baptismal Regeneration
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Biblically speaking there is not such thing as "baptismal regeneration." This is a term used in derision by folks who accuse those that teach one must surrender to the Lord in baptism as a part of God's plan for salvation (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38;22:16; 1 Peter 3:20-21).
That baptism is a directive that came from God is clear (Matt. 28:19-20). Those who desire to be disciples of Christ are instructed to be baptized. Baptism is where God placed the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38). When Jesus was preached to the Ethiopian (Acts 8:25ff) he requested baptism. God may choose to save folks who have not been baptized, since he is our ultimate Judge, but we should follow God's plan in both teaching and practice. I have no authority to tell someone they can be saved apart from the instructions God gave.
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Hi Silent,
I would have to disagree with you. I would refer you to Jim Woodell's post above.
It is my understanding of the bible that it directs one to be baptised.
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Romans ... (ESV)
6:3
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
6:4
We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
6:5
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
6:6
We know that our old selfwas crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
6:7
For one who has died has been set free from sin.
6:8
Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
6:9
We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.
6:10
For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
6:11
So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
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Note verse 7. If one can be saved without being freed from sins, then one can be saved without baptism.
Note verse 11. If one can be saved without being dead to sin and becoming alive to God, then one can be saved without baptism.
Note the whole text. If one can be saved without being united with Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, then one can be saved without baptism.
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Thanks for your input. However, I find your notes at the bottom of the quoted scripture extremely confusing.
Your quote from Romans 6:3-11 clearly states that that those who are united in death with Christ (baptised) shall also be resurrected. In addition, those who have died with Christ will be set free from sin.
Based on the quoted scripture, it is my contention that baptism is required to be free from sin and to have eternal life living with God in Christ.
By the way, I note that you are in the EHS industry! So am I - its always fun to find others who are EHS professionals
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Thanks for your input. However, I find your notes at the bottom of the quoted scripture extremely confusing.
Your quote from Romans 6:3-11 clearly states that that those who are united in death with Christ (baptised) shall also be resurrected. In addition, those who have died with Christ will be set free from sin.
Based on the quoted scripture, it is my contention that baptism is required to be free from sin and to have eternal life living with God in Christ.
By the way, I note that you are in the EHS industry! So am I - its always fun to find others who are EHS professionals
The comments weren't intended to be confusing. They were intended to help folks see God's plan for us to be united with His Son. Considering the text of Romans 6:3-11, it is obvious that baptism is under discussion. And, in this imagery, baptism is presented as God's way of uniting us with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. Thus, if we can be saved without being baptized, then we can be saved without being united with Jesus. Make better sense?
Verse 7. We are freed from sins in baptism. Thus, for those that conclude that baptism isn't necessary, that would mean one could be saved while still in their sins. Obviously, those that believe this need to do some explaining.
And, verse 11. We are buried with Christ in baptism, die to sin, and then arise alive to God. Thus, we see how one is born again. Those that don't believe that baptism is necessary miss the imagery. Baptism (by one that believes, repents, and confesses Jesus) is God's way for us to be born again. Thus, to believe that one can be saved without baptism means that one can be saved without becoming alive to God (or being born again). See the point?
Hopefully, things make more sense now. If not, say so and we'll work on it some more.
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I see, we agree then! GoodThe comments weren't intended to be confusing. They were intended to help folks see God's plan for us to be united with His Son. Considering the text of Romans 6:3-11, it is obvious that baptism is under discussion. And, in this imagery, baptism is presented as God's way of uniting us with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. Thus, if we can be saved without being baptized, then we can be saved without being united with Jesus. Make better sense?
Verse 7. We are freed from sins in baptism. Thus, for those that conclude that baptism isn't necessary, that would mean one could be saved while still in their sins. Obviously, those that believe this need to do some explaining.
And, verse 11. We are buried with Christ in baptism, die to sin, and then arise alive to God. Thus, we see how one is born again. Those that don't believe that baptism is necessary miss the imagery. Baptism (by one that believes, repents, and confesses Jesus) is God's way for us to be born again. Thus, to believe that one can be saved without baptism means that one can be saved without becoming alive to God (or being born again). See the point?
Hopefully, things make more sense now. If not, say so and we'll work on it some more.
I shall PM you shortly.
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