Baptism

[Krystina661]

Many people get baptized in different churches, beliefs, ect.. Does it matter which one? Or just as long as were baptized?

 

[grayroc]

It does matter to which church you choose. Some belive in different baptism. Baptism is to know Jesus Christ, to confess his name,repent and be submerged into the water not sprinkled or pour on you.

 

[Rafael]

When you read the Bible and pray for God to tell you what pleases Him, trust what you feel God's Spirit speaks to your conscience. Ask God to go before you and lead the way in your life. Prayer and a personal knowledge of scripture will help you know God enough to walk with Him and please Him. Wanting to obey God is always a good step in the right direction.

 

[Mr.Cheese]

Baptism is a public symbol of your repentance. In Acts, a gropu of people received the Spirit prior to baptism, so I don't believe it is necessary for salvation. It is just a symbol.

 

[Polycarp1]

Baptism is a public symbol of your repentance. In Acts, a gropu of people received the Spirit prior to baptism, so I don't believe it is necessary for salvation. It is just a symbol.

It is contrary to the rules of this particular forum to argue, so I'd simply like to point out that a sacramental understanding of Baptism says that it is quite a bit more than a symbol, but a physical means by which God bestows the grace of regeneration and inclusion in the Mystical Body of Christ, the Communion of Saints.

Under whichever view of Baptism is taken, it's the proper response of someone who has felt the call of Christ. Scripture several times says "Repent and be baptized" as the proper course to one who has come to know Christ.

 

[theseed]

Many people get baptized in different churches, beliefs, ect.. Does it matter which one? Or just as long as were baptized?

I believe that Baptism is a symbol too, of how we are buried with Christ and raised with him, to walk in the newness of live (from various bible verses). In the Gosples, people went to John the Baptist because they were repenting of thier sins and they wanted to show this through baptism.

 

[marc]

There are different baptisms. Jesus said John baptized with water but He will baptize with the Holy Spirit.

You must be baptized with the Holy Spirit to be born again. Water baptism was commanded to be a response to being baptised with the Holy Spirit. The water baptism isn't necessary for salvation, but you would have to question someone who says they are born again and says they don't want to be water baptised(commanded by the word). But if you died 10 minutes after you were born again and you hadn't been water baptized yet, you will be saved(thief on cross).

I'll never understand why different churches ask new members to be baptized into "there" church?

Marc

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Many people get baptized in different churches, beliefs, ect.. Does it matter which one? Or just as long as were baptized?

The Catholic Church believes it is much more then a symbol. Check out this website for the scripture behind the reason why we believe this:

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html#baptism-II

In Christ,
Jeff

 

[KennySe]

Many people get baptized in different churches, beliefs, ect.. Does it matter which one? Or just as long as were baptized?

For those who believe in the Blessed Trinity, the words must include, "In the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

There are churches which baptize in Jesus' Name [only].

 

[workman]

Howdie Krystina,

I would love to write more on this subject. I'm tired and have not the patience to write at this time. But Hopefully soon. I have been researching this very topic for the last couple years and would be happy to share my discoveries found in the bible with you. Your question is a worthy one and should be asked.

Always test the answers given with God's word. Don't rely on what others say, for each may have his/her biases or misinformation. Its ok to hear each person out, however the bible is always the final authority as it is God's word.

Verses must be studied in context and compared with other scriptures to understand the precise meaning. Feelings can be deceptive and many people base their beliefs on "feelings". Faith is not based on feelings but on truths as presented in the gospel so "test everything".

"Seek and you will find" ~Jesus

Time for some ZZZZZZ.....

God bless!

~Workman

 

[thereselittleflower]

And to understand the sacramental nature of Baptism and the need for it, it helps to look at passages in the bible which speak to it or reference it.

Those who look at it as a symbol do so with the understanding that when they become "born again", their sins are washed away right then, so Baptism would do little more than be a symbol.

But here is a passage to consider.

Paul, in talking about his own conversion experience tells us his encounter with Christ. At that point, he was born again according to those who use that term. It was the Damascus Road experience. It was where and when Paul converted to Christianity. But this is very interesting - when Annais came to him to restore his site, he was told to:

Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou?arise, and bebaptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

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This is a very interesting verse for it shows that after Paul's conversion experience, he still needed to have his sins washed away by receiving Baptism. These instructions were given, not in relation to his conversion, but in context of his commissioning by God through Annais. he was very clearly instructed to arise and be baptized so that his sins would be washed away, invoking the name of the Lord.

This fits in perfectly with the Catholic Understanding of Baptism (and that of Protestants who believe Baptism is necessary for salvation).

As for actually getting baptized. as long as one is Baptized using the Trinitarian formula, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, their baptism is valid. I believe it is best to be baptized where both the recipient and administrator fully recognize the sacramental nature of baptism, but as long as it is done correctly, it does not matter where it was received.


Peace in Him!

 

[herzblutx88]

I don't think the guy who was crucified next to Jesus , the theif, ever was baptized. If a man who was a theif and did so many bad things and was never baptized got into heaven, why wouldnt you.

 

[Momzilla]

I don't think the guy who was crucified next to Jesus , the theif, ever was baptized. If a man who was a theif and did so many bad things and was never baptized got into heaven, why wouldnt you.

My answer to this is that the God of the New Testament is not bound up in legalism. I think the story of the thief on the cross demonstrates that genuine repentance and recognition of Christ will do the job when baptism is not possible. However, I don't think that this example should be used to prove that baptism is not necessary or important. Even if you consider it only a symbol, it should be practiced if possible.

 

[Rafael]

I don't think the guy who was crucified next to Jesus , the theif, ever was baptized. If a man who was a theif and did so many bad things and was never baptized got into heaven, why wouldnt you.

We are saved by the blood shed by Jesus at the cross, and no good work or action we do saves us. The desire to obey God comes after we ask for God's forgiveness and answer to sin and death in Jesus' work done at the cross. The thief had no benefit of time to show the repentence he expressed to Jesus on the cross, so we see again, that faith, alone, in the blood of Jesus to save us is what saves us. Any true conversion will follow and obey the Lord with baptism and them to follow in good deeds of faith. The cart never follows the horse. The works and deeds follow after the changed and born again heart that has received the gift of salvation through Jesus innocent blood shed at the cross. No other way but Jesus - power in the blood, as the hymns go.

 

[thereselittleflower]

My answer to this is that the God of the New Testament is not bound up in legalism. I think the story of the thief on the cross demonstrates that genuine repentance and recognition of Christ will do the job when baptism is not possible. However, I don't think that this example should be used to prove that baptism is not necessary or important. Even if you consider it only a symbol, it should be practiced if possible.

I agree with you, though I would state it a little differently.

God is not limited by His Sacraments, He is God . . But if we unduly neglect what He has provided for our salvation, will we not be held accountable?

The thief on the cross neglected nothing, he had no ability to be baptized. The Catholic Church recognizes such situations as exceptions to the rule, and so recognizes baptism by desire, for how can someone who is prevented, or does not know of the need for baptism be held accountable for it?

But the exception does not define the rule, and to make a rule from the exception is to tread on dangerous ground.


Peace in Him!

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

John 3:5 says that you need to be baptized. You also nedd to baptized in Jesus Name (Matthew 28:19). The name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus. They are one. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are titles, not names.

 

[KennySe]

Lilly, your post above reminds me of modalism.

(As my post earlier is in line with Trinitarianism.)

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

What is modalisim?

 

[KennySe]

Kindly note that I am not calling you a modalist.

But your post does resemble modalism.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Modalism

Where modalism teaches that the Father became the Son,
your statement is that: Jesus is The Father
Jesus is the Son
Jesus is the Spirit.

And this conflicts with the Nicene and Apostles and Athanasian Creeds.

 

[herzblutx88]

So what you "pro-batpism" people are saying is that- I , a person who has been baptized, and believes in God will get into heaven; while a person who is also religous and believes in Jesus/God and the bible and everything, wont get into heaven?