Baptism

Albion · Sep 12, 2019

JIMINZ said:
Sure thing if you say so.

It's not "if I say so" at all. What you were reading was not my personal slant on the subject. It was what the great majority of the Christian denominations believe about repeat baptisms and have believed for many centuries.

If you want to believe something else, that is your right, but can't we all at least get the teachings of the two sides straight before deciding?

JacksBratt · Sep 12, 2019

Kian-vg said:
Hello I got baptized as a baby and raised up as a catholic but now I'm just a christian who just believe in what the bible says and not in the Catholic teaching but the bible says reprent and be Baptized and as a baby I didn't reprent or believed. Should I get baptised now when I believe I already have contact whit someone who can baptise me. And I want to be sure I got baptized and I'm Not sure. And 1 other question can you sell your soul? I have ocd and have alot of thoughts about it and it makes me a little bit scared and people say you need to sign a contract or something but do you need to sign that contract in real life or in your thoughts because when I found out you need to sign a Contract I got thoughts i was singing a contract and that is making me scared.. I always say my soul belongs to jesus and God. But still I'm scared can you sell your soul and if you can do you need to sign the contract in real life on paper or in your thoughts or imaging that you do it. And should I get baptized now.
Thank you
Kvg and my fear of the unforgivable sin is gone now I'm only scared that I sold my soul

If you feel nudged and compelled to get baptized.. get baptized.

Wish people would stop over thinking things.

Andrewn · Sep 12, 2019

JacksBratt said:
If you feel nudged and compelled to get baptized.. get baptized. Wish people would stop over thinking things.

As Trinitarians, we claim to believe the words of the Nicene-Constantinople Creed. The Creed says, "We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins." Unfortunately, many churches (both sacramental and anabaptist) require new members to get re-baptized. This is one reason that I don't believe in church membership.

JacksBratt · Sep 12, 2019

Andrewn said:
As Trinitarians, we claim to believe the words of the Nicene-Constantinople Creed. The Creed says, "We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins." Unfortunately, many churches (both sacramental and anabaptist) require new members to get re-baptized. This is one reason that I don't believe in church membership.

Thanks for the information on that.

However, my point is that baptism as a baby does not save the child. The child may grow up and make the decision to accept Christ or to reject Him....

So, even if you were baptized as an infant and now feel the nudging to get immersion baptized.... what would stop you.

My parents are strong, Godly Christians, yet they got baptized in the Jordan River when they went to Israel.

There is nothing wrong with it.

So, if you have had a renewing of your faith and the Lord or Spirit is nudging you to get baptized.... Go ahead.

Albion · Sep 12, 2019

bling said:
No it is not.
Where those who submitted to John's baptism, baptized again when they became Christians.

Do we consider John's baptism to be the baptism that Christ was referring to when he sent his followers out with the instructions to preach the gospel to all nations and to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Well, NO.

From Scripture, we know very well that "John's baptism" was a forerunner to the Christian sacrament, a different baptism altogether, and there are none of the key elements in it (other than repentance) which are part of Christian baptism.

bling · Sep 12, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
If we believe as the Scriptures teach, that faith in Christ is God's gift, apart from ourselves, then yes. The infant is given the same faith as an adult through God's Word and Sacraments. For the infant receives the same as the adult, the adult receives the same as the infant. Grace remains grace because it is grace.

-CryptoLutheran

So he does not have to hear it?

If it is just automatic than there would be no reason for every baby not to be given it, so what reason do you see for God not giving this to every baby?

If this "faith" is given only to the elect at birth or earlier, why do some "elect" become very wicked before becoming to saving "faith"?

bling · Sep 12, 2019

Albion said:
Do we consider John's baptism to be the baptism that Christ was referring to when he sent his followers out with the instructions to preach the gospel to all nations and to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Well, NO.

From Scripture, we know very well that "John's baptism" was a forerunner to the Christian sacrament, a different baptism altogether, and there are none of the key elements in it (other than repentance) which are part of Christian baptism.

I agree, so those baptized with John's baptism were later baptized with believer Christian Baptism (a second baptism). The question then must be addressed is: infant baptism the same as adult believer baptism and if it is not than you might need to be baptized a second time?

Albion · Sep 12, 2019

bling said:
I agree, so those baptized with John's baptism were later baptized with believer Christian Baptism (a second baptism).

That's a trick with words. Our discussion on this thread has been entirely within the Christian context. The issue was about having a second or third Christian baptism with all the specifics that pertain to a Christian baptism and nothing which has been clearly identified in Scripture as NOT in that category.

The question then must be addressed is infant baptism the same as adult believer baptism

It is.

ViaCrucis · Sep 12, 2019

bling said:
So he does not have to hear it?

What do you mean?

If it is just automatic than there would be no reason for every baby not to be given it, so what reason do you see for God not giving this to every baby?

How come God hasn't ensured that every person has heard the Gospel?

Christ called His Church to preach the Gospel, to make disciples, baptizing them.

If this "faith" is given only to the elect at birth or earlier, why do some "elect" become very wicked before becoming to saving "faith"?

Why do some of the elect fall away?

"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" - Jeremiah 17:9

Nevertheless, "but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

-CryptoLutheran

Skawk” · Sep 12, 2019

I don't realy have a clear answer. I want to be sure I got baptized (bibical) but bscause baby baptism is not bibical I'm not sure. And If I get baptized now again is this a sin? I saw a website that some one said it is a sin and I don't want to sin.

JIMINZ · Sep 12, 2019

Albion said:
It's not "if I say so" at all. What you were reading was not my personal slant on the subject. It was what the great majority of the Christian denominations believe about repeat baptisms and have believed for many centuries.

If you want to believe something else, that is your right, but can't we all at least get the teachings of the two sides straight before deciding?

Sure we can, if you believe my side of the Issue, then we will be in agreement.

JacksBratt · Sep 12, 2019

Kian-vg said:
I don't realy have a clear answer. I want to be sure I got baptized (bibical) but bscause baby baptism is not bibical I'm not sure. And If I get baptized now again is this a sin? I saw a website that some one said it is a sin and I don't want to sin.

How can baptism be a sin? I can see if you were doing it over and over again.. as some display of mistrust in the power of Christ to save you the first time, second time third time...

But, this is a desire to do something as a public display of your belief in Christ... as a new page in your life. As an infant, it was involuntary.. you had no say... Now you do... Go get baptized.

Many churches have short course on the whole concept of "believers baptism" that they require you to take. This is a good idea and will also clear up a lot of confusion or misconceptions or worries that you have about it.

charsan · Sep 12, 2019

Kian-vg said:
I don't really have a clear answer. I want to be sure I got baptized (biblical) but because baby baptism is not biblical I'm not sure. And If I get baptized now again is this a sin? I saw a website that some one said it is a sin and I don't want to sin.

Infant baptism is Biblical. You have to remember that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth not the Bible and the Church as a whole came up with the Creed that we all must agree to to be here and the Creed says "One baptism" not two, three, or whatever you want to do. You were baptized as a baby that is the only baptism you need

JIMINZ · Sep 12, 2019

charsan said:
Infant baptism is Biblical. You have to remember that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth not the Bible and the Church as a whole came up with the Creed that we all must agree to to be here and the Creed says "One baptism" not two, three, or whatever you want to do. You were baptized as a baby that is the only baptism you need

Does it really hurt anything if, he feels as though he want's to get Baptized, and that he feels as though when he was Baptized as an infant it isn't enough for him to latch on to today. will it change anything at all in your understanding if, he does in fact get Baptized, and he accepts it as his only Baptism because, it was his decision to do so.

Remember when it comes right down to it, it isn't about what you or your Denomination think or feel on the Issue, it is his.

Skawk” · Sep 12, 2019

charsan said:
Infant baptism is Biblical. You have to remember that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth not the Bible and the Church as a whole came up with the Creed that we all must agree to to be here and the Creed says "One baptism" not two, three, or whatever you want to do. You were baptized as a baby that is the only baptism you need

Why is it bibical the bible has no text that baby's are being baptised

JIMINZ · Sep 12, 2019

Kian-vg said:
Why is it bibical the bible has no text that baby's are being baptised

There isn't, but the argument is, scripture does say something like.

Act 11:14
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

With these verses they assume it includes Infants, that is as close as they can come to any logical reason for Infant Baptism.

Skawk” · Sep 12, 2019

JIMINZ said:
There isn't, but the argument is, scripture does say like.

Act 11:14
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

With these verses they assume it includes Infants, that is as close as they can come to any logical reason for Infant Baptism.

True. Still not sure what to do I just ask God and let God guide me

JIMINZ · Sep 12, 2019

Kian-vg said:
True. Still not sure what to do I just ask God and let God guide me

Ok do this, Pray about it, ask god for guidance, then re read my first post #5 to you, there are specific reasons why Baptism is important to the Believer, and your being Baptized as an Infant you could not have possibly become a Believer as you are now, secondly, through Baptism you become one with Jesus by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, this is something which cannot take place during Infant Baptism because you first need to Believe that He is the Christ, the only begotten Son of the Living God and that He died on the Cross for YOU PERSONALLY that YOUR SINS would be forgiven.

Then make plans for your own Baptism.

JacksBratt · Sep 12, 2019

Kian-vg said:
True. Still not sure what to do I just ask God and let God guide me

Go get baptized.... Stop your worrying. The bible asks:

Luke 12:25
25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life?

charsan · Sep 12, 2019

JIMINZ said:
Does it really hurt anything if, he feels as though he want's to get Baptized, and that he feels as though when he was Baptized as an infant it isn't enough for him to latch on to today. will it change anything at all in your understanding if, he does in fact get Baptized, and he accepts it as his only Baptism because, it was his decision to do so.

Remember when it comes right down to it, it isn't about what you or your Denomination think or feel on the Issue, it is his.

Actually it is what the greater Church says and they spoke in the Creed proclaiming one baptism not two, three, or four. Will it hurt something? Yes it is saying the Church is wrong and the individual is right, making individualism greater than God. Which is wrong with evangelicalism propping up the individual over God and the Church.

Baptism

Facilitator

Searching for Truth

Well-Known Member

Searching for Truth

Facilitator

Regular Member

Regular Member

Facilitator

Confessional Lutheran

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Searching for Truth

Charismatic Episcopal Church

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Searching for Truth

Charismatic Episcopal Church

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency