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Baptism

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This is my first post on this forum, so it is a bit scary! I have felt very troubled over our current situation regarding Baptism. I give you some brief background to our situation. My husband and myself are Christians and have been for some time now and we have 3 beautiful children, a girl 8yrs, a boy 6yrs and a girl 3yrs. I grew up in the Catholic Church and am a Confirmed Catholic, and Confirmed in the Uniting Church. My husband became a Christian in his teens and was Baptised (sprinkled) and Confirmed in the UC. During the years, we became involved in the Church of Christ and we were encouraged to become members, but to do so we both had to get Baptised again by the full dunk. This didn't sit with us very well at the time, but eventually agreed. To this day we regret having a full immersion Baptism on the basis to become voting members of the Church. Currently we are worshipping members at our local Baptist Church, but we would call ourselves non-denominational Christians. Our older 2 Children have since been enrolled in our local Catholic School, M in year 3 and A in Kindy. They are very happy there and the environment is a very strong caring Christian Community. M, my eldest, has always been a very Spiritually aware child, and calls herself a Christian. She wanted to take part in the First Communion but couldn't because we haven't had her baptised only dedicated as what they do in the Baptist Church. M was considered too young to understand what Baptism was all about and could not get baptisted in the Baptist Church until she was an adult. We agonised over this dilemma and decided to get our children Baptised in the Catholic Church. That way, our family could be members of the many denominations that accept child baptism if we move,(although in the case of our daughter it was more of a believer's baptism)and in the future if our children desire adult or rebaptism they may do so if it is their choice. The Baptism Ceremony was beautiful and meant so much for us and our children. In fact, our children were still raving about how wonderful the Baptism was days after the event. It was very meaningful. Our assistant pastor came to support our family, but he said that didn't aggree with what we did - understandably so being part of the Baptist Church!! We have not told our Senior Pastor as yet, wondering whether it is better to not say anything. But since that comment from our assistant Pastor, I felt that we done the wrong thing. I have talked to God so much about this. But being from many different church situations, I am very passionate about unity and to us as Christians to know what binds us together is far more powerful than what can tear it apart. I feel that Satan is having a field day while I am feeling I've done the wrong thing. This is something we should be rejoicing about. I'd love to hear your thoughts, ideas, advise etc....
 

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Your pastor is your shepherd. You need to follow his leading. If you can't trust him then you should find a pastor that you can trust. That being said, if your daughter feels that she is ready to be baptised and knows the meaning behind it, who are they to say that she is too young. I know the reasoning behind their decision but once again it depends on the child's maturity. All I can say is that if you don't agree with your pastor you need to find one that you do agree with. Talk with your pastor and tell them what you and your husband did. They will probably tell you that even though your daughter was baptised she will need to be baptised at their church again. Make sure that you and your pastor are in agreement. I can't stress enough the point of having a trusting relationship with your pastor.

I hope this helps you in whatever decision you make.

God Bless!
 
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Don't get caught up in a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo. The important part of baptism isn't whether it is sprinkling or dunking or whether the person is 8 or 18 or whether the person baptising says "Jesus" or "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit". Even the initiation as a member into whatever denomination isn't the big thing. The important thing is the relationship with Jesus and what the baptism actually symbolizes - having ones sins washed away, dying to the old sinful life and rising up with Christ, publicly proclaiming one's Christianity. Try to focus on the important things :)
 
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fishstix said:
Don't get caught up in a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo. The important part of baptism isn't whether it is sprinkling or dunking or whether the person is 8 or 18 or whether the person baptising says "Jesus" or "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit". Even the initiation as a member into whatever denomination isn't the big thing. The important thing is the relationship with Jesus and what the baptism actually symbolizes - having ones sins washed away, dying to the old sinful life and rising up with Christ, publicly proclaiming one's Christianity. Try to focus on the important things :)
:amen:

Just wanted to say that I totally agree with this.

Sarah
 
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SVH said:
Hi all,
This is my first post on this forum, so it is a bit scary! I have felt very troubled over our current situation regarding Baptism. I give you some brief background to our situation. My husband and myself are Christians and have been for some time now and we have 3 beautiful children, a girl 8yrs, a boy 6yrs and a girl 3yrs. I grew up in the Catholic Church and am a Confirmed Catholic, and Confirmed in the Uniting Church. My husband became a Christian in his teens and was Baptised (sprinkled) and Confirmed in the UC. During the years, we became involved in the Church of Christ and we were encouraged to become members, but to do so we both had to get Baptised again by the full dunk. This didn't sit with us very well at the time, but eventually agreed. To this day we regret having a full immersion Baptism on the basis to become voting members of the Church. Currently we are worshipping members at our local Baptist Church, but we would call ourselves non-denominational Christians. Our older 2 Children have since been enrolled in our local Catholic School, M in year 3 and A in Kindy. They are very happy there and the environment is a very strong caring Christian Community. M, my eldest, has always been a very Spiritually aware child, and calls herself a Christian. She wanted to take part in the First Communion but couldn't because we haven't had her baptised only dedicated as what they do in the Baptist Church. M was considered too young to understand what Baptism was all about and could not get baptisted in the Baptist Church until she was an adult. We agonised over this dilemma and decided to get our children Baptised in the Catholic Church. That way, our family could be members of the many denominations that accept child baptism if we move,(although in the case of our daughter it was more of a believer's baptism)and in the future if our children desire adult or rebaptism they may do so if it is their choice. The Baptism Ceremony was beautiful and meant so much for us and our children. In fact, our children were still raving about how wonderful the Baptism was days after the event. It was very meaningful. Our assistant pastor came to support our family, but he said that didn't aggree with what we did - understandably so being part of the Baptist Church!! We have not told our Senior Pastor as yet, wondering whether it is better to not say anything. But since that comment from our assistant Pastor, I felt that we done the wrong thing. I have talked to God so much about this. But being from many different church situations, I am very passionate about unity and to us as Christians to know what binds us together is far more powerful than what can tear it apart. I feel that Satan is having a field day while I am feeling I've done the wrong thing. This is something we should be rejoicing about. I'd love to hear your thoughts, ideas, advise etc....

How lovely that your children have been so touched by God at a young age!

I am so glad you listened to your elder daughter, and to all their hearts, since it seems they were responding to God's love.

It seems you want to remove barriers between denominations etc. and that will always place you under stress since it's a minority position.

I am sad that your pastor couldn't rejoice at your daughter's spiritual maturity and her siblings' delight in this.

Maybe you need to move, maybe not. You'll never find a perfect church anyway!

But don't let anyone take away this memory of a day of God's grace in your family.

Blessings, Susana

Oh, and welcome to CF by the way! :)
 
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Thanks for your thoughts. I've looked into Baptism a lot lately. Found this quote that has helped us, "Christians today, do not allow this issue to divide since is has nothing to do with a person's standing in the sight of God. Entry into the Kingdom of Heaven has nothing to do with the method of water baptism" My question is then after reading Ephesians 4:5 there is "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" Which is the the one baptism? Is it union with Christ? It seems so confusing when there are so many different ways Christians/Ministers etc. interpret the subject on Baptism in the Bible. Is then re-baptism in more water as an adult mean that the first Baptism was defective?
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SVH said:
Thanks for your thoughts. I've looked into Baptism a lot lately. Found this quote that has helped us, "Christians today, do not allow this issue to divide since is has nothing to do with a person's standing in the sight of God. Entry into the Kingdom of Heaven has nothing to do with the method of water baptism" My question is then after reading Ephesians 4:5 there is "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" Which is the the one baptism? Is it union with Christ? It seems so confusing when there are so many different ways Christians/Ministers etc. interpret the subject on Baptism in the Bible. Is then re-baptism in more water as an adult mean that the first Baptism was defective?
Sam

Ephesians 4 is all about unity in the body of Christ. So I would take one Lord and one faith to mean that all of us Christians are really part of the same faith and serve the same Lord regardless of whether we brand ourselves as Baptist or Catholic or Pentecostal or Methodist or whatever. Ultimately we are one huge body of Christ. Thus, one baptism in that context should mean the same kind of thing. Regardless of which "brand" of baptism you use - full immersion, sprinkling, in "Jesus", in the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit", or whatever other minor variation, ultimately all the Christian baptisms are one and the same thing.

As far as re-baptism goes, I wouldn't say that it means the first baptism was defective, I would say that it means that in someone's human opinion the first one wasn't done the way they think baptisms should be done or the person who was baptised wasn't prepared the way they think they should have been or it doesn't meet the religious technicalities of that particular denomination or something like that. Just because someone has an opinion it doesn't mean that they are 100% correct. Like I said before though - don't get caught up in the legal mumbo-jumbo and the nitpicky unimportant stuff that people so often tend to focus on.
 
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Don't get caught up in a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo. The important part of baptism isn't whether it is sprinkling or dunking or whether the person is 8 or 18 or whether the person baptising says "Jesus" or "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit". Even the initiation as a member into whatever denomination isn't the big thing. The important thing is the relationship with Jesus and what the baptism actually symbolizes - having ones sins washed away, dying to the old sinful life and rising up with Christ, publicly proclaiming one's Christianity. Try to focus on the important things
I agree. It doesn't matter if you are dunked, dipped, sprinkled or dry cleaned. It is about making Jesus Christ Lord in your life. The water is a symbol like the wedding ring is a symbol of the vows written on your heart or like Samson's hair was a symbol of the commitment he had in his heart.

Please do not let the ceramony weigh you down. The beauty is your young child is accepting Christ and is heaven bound and all h_ll cannot stop her! How glorious to know your child loves the LORD! What a gift!
 
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imho,

baptize them yourself, and give them communion yourself. that you have authority to do.

imho.

:)

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imho, full immersion (without being legalistic about every single hair or corner of clothing getting wet) is the example given in the bible. and i think it's important to note that Jesus didn't just die a "little", he died totally (physically). and baptism is our "outward manifestation of an inward revelation" about who Christ is, and that we have chosen to make Him Lord and die to ourselves. so, are we to die "just a little"? (unfortunately we often do!) or to die and be fully dead (and buried) like Christ was? He was buried in the ground(tomb), we are buried in water.
 
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