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Good question.

Mark 16:15-16 says, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

I think that once you have been taught the Gospel and accept Christ you should get baptized and not put it off. However, once you accept Christ in your life I think you will go to heaven. I also believe infants and children that are not baptized will go to heaven because they haven't learned the Gospel or understand it yet. This is just my personal belief. I am looking forward to reading what others think. I think this topic will also lead to a debate to the practice of infant baptism.
 
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I was baptized as a baby and as an adult. It was important for me to declare that I was a Christian and that is why I was baptized as an adult. It was like I wanted to make it known to my family and to the world that I wanted Christ. A water bapitsm is probably not necessary but it is a beautiful way to tell the world who you belong to. I mean the thief on the cross wasn't baptized.
 
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My Pastor said once that asking the Lord into your heart, being born again, or what have you, is like being married to Christ through the court house...its legal and youre good to go, BUT being baptized is like having the actual wedding...its the public celebration of your being united to Christ!
 
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I believe that Billy Graham has the right idea. I think it is more important, to publically declare your decision to follow Christ, than the ritual of baptism. Once you are truly saved, you are 'baptized' with The Holy Spirit.

Water baptism may have become 'defiled', as is the case, with 'divorce'. Baptism is being practised by various 'churches', in ways, that do not correspond to the scriptures. It may have lost its 'purpose/meaning'.

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Coming from a non-liturgical background, I never had much emphasis on baptism the same way liturgical churches typically do. It was always encouraged, but never expressed as do-or-die necessary. I accepted Christ at age four but I didn't get baptized (dunked) until I was 21. Most of it had to do with fear, I never wanted to be in front of such a large crowd. By the time I was 21 I was more than over it and didn't care who was going with me, or who was there to see me. Ironically though, it was only a small crowd as the baptism took place after the church service.

Anyway, I tend to view it as a willing expression of our death to the world and symbolically representing our future resurrection that we have to look forward to at Christs return.
 
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Coming from a non-liturgical background, I never had much emphasis on baptism the same way liturgical churches typically do. It was always encouraged, but never expressed as do-or-die necessary. I accepted Christ at age four but I didn't get baptized (dunked) until I was 21. Most of it had to do with fear, I never wanted to be in front of such a large crowd. By the time I was 21 I was more than over it and didn't care who was going with me, or who was there to see me. Ironically though, it was only a small crowd as the baptism took place after the church service.

Anyway, I tend to view it as a willing expression of our death to the world and symbolically representing our future resurrection that we have to look forward to at Christs return.

I have never been baptized. I read through the KJV Bible at around age 10, and publically declared (in church), my intention of following God, and became saved at that time. It was in the middle of winter (northern Ontario, Canada), and the church was not much warmer than the outside. The church had no baptism facilities (the water would have froze).

Thorwald Johansen
 
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Thank you so much for all of your thoughts!

At church this past Sunday I asked a friend of mine who has sort of taken me under her wing and is helping me learn doctrine that is Bible based. I asked her about baptism, and she gave me the scripture about the sinner on the cross who repented and Christ told him he would be with Him in paradise. As she pointed out, there wasn't an opportunity for this man to be baptized, therefore it's not necessary. As you have all expressed, it's more of an outward declaration that says you follow Christ. What a beautiful thought! My church has some upcoming baptism prep classes, and I think I'll attend one just for the sake of gaining more wisdom on this.
 
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I don't know if this topic has been done, but after a conversation with a friend last night I wanted to ask this:

Do you believe baptism is necessary to be saved, or is it a symbolic gesture of your faith?

A symbolic gesture of one's faith. To publicly affirm we identify with the burial and resurrection of Jesus and to symbolically affirm that he "washes" away our sin.
 
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I don't know if this topic has been done, but after a conversation with a friend last night I wanted to ask this:

Do you believe baptism is necessary to be saved, or is it a symbolic gesture of your faith?

Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Yes I do believe that baptism in water is necessary to be saved. How about you ?
 
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Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Yes I do believe that baptism in water is necessary to be saved. How about you ?

If being baptized in water were necessary for salvation then the thief on the cross would be in Hell right now.

What does Romans 10:9 require for salvation?
 
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If being baptized in water were necessary for salvation then the thief on the cross would be in Hell right now.

Most people who believe in the necessity of baptism for salvation would make exceptions for those who can't be baptized but would if they could (ie., the thief on the cross, the person trapped on an island alone with a Bible). Others, like the Church of Christ, sometimes take more of a dispensationalist view as to how the thief was saved. It's difficult to get around the fact, though, that in Acts the crowd is told to repent and to be baptized "for the remission of sins". I've seen a few attempts, but they mostly seem to really argue for special pleading for an unusual interpretation of the Greek grammar. Couple that with the fact that every one of writers from the early church who gave a baptismal theology links it to salvation, and it definitely seems like the New Testament writers had that in mind.
 
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If being baptized in water were necessary for salvation then the thief on the cross would be in Hell right now.

What does Romans 10:9 require for salvation?

How do you know for certain that the thief on the cross wasn't baptized?
 
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Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Yes I do believe that baptism in water is necessary to be saved. How about you ?

Thats not what Mark 16:16 says or implies. Theres nothing magical about the "water". Its only water. Love Jesus and live for Him. Be baptized! Yes, by all means! The Bible says to do it! Its a good thing, a GREAT thing! BUT, Jesus doesnt look at the outside man, He looks at the condition of our heart.

We are saved entirely because of who HE is and what HE has done. Has nothing to do with who we are or what we have done.
 
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You misunderstand what Baptism is. It is not something we do for God, it is something God does for us. It is a means of grace. God's word is connected to the water when the pastor says "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. People always talk about how they have a personal relationship with Christ, but how can that be when Christ comes to us through physical means to deliver His grace and forgiveness to the sinner and the sinner rejects that by saying "it's only symbolic. It doesn't save anyone "?
 
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We disagree. The only means of grace is Gods son Jesus Christ. Not water.

I think a lot of people misunderstand commandments vs. Invitations. God is always inviting us into more life with Him. Invitations are not salvation issues. Its just a matter of how much we want to see in this lifetime. When we die and go to heaven then we will see ALL of Him! How glorious that will be, yes! We have opportunity too see more and more of Him in this life but just how much is all up to how much we are willing to step out in faith and say YES to Him..

Life isn't a quest to find salvation. Life is a journey with Him and it doesn't end with salvation....it BEGINS with it!

Asking Christ to be your God and forgive your sins is salvation....its getting married to Jesus in a private personal court room. Its legal. Being baptised is the "announcement" if you will. Its a party! A celebration! You received your name in heaven in the court room but your life can't properly begin with your Jesus until you've publicly joined the party!

At least that's how I've heard it said.
 
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Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Yes I do believe that baptism in water is necessary to be saved. How about you ?

Is the scripture referring to water baptism, or baptism of The Holy Ghost? In the time of Christ, baptism by water was only carried out on those that had sought repentance and desired to follow Christ. Baptism by water today, includes babies, dead people, etc., etc. It has become 'defiled'. We see that the same thing happened in the times before Christ, with divorce, and even God saying in the O/T, that He was becoming 'sickened' with the sacrifices of lambs. There was no longer any fear of God, and these last two items (divorce and sacrifices) were no longer being carried out in a righteous 'frame of mind'. They became a 'quick fix'.
 
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Most people who believe in the necessity of baptism for salvation would make exceptions for those who can't be baptized but would if they could (ie., the thief on the cross, the person trapped on an island alone with a Bible). Others, like the Church of Christ, sometimes take more of a dispensationalist view as to how the thief was saved. It's difficult to get around the fact, though, that in Acts the crowd is told to repent and to be baptized "for the remission of sins". I've seen a few attempts, but they mostly seem to really argue for special pleading for an unusual interpretation of the Greek grammar. Couple that with the fact that every one of writers from the early church who gave a baptismal theology links it to salvation, and it definitely seems like the New Testament writers had that in mind.

The "For" in "for the forgiveness of your sins" should be read as "because of". Example, when I say so and so went to jail "for stealing", it's not that he went to jail so he could steal, it's "for" as in "because of" his stealing.
 
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