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Baptism
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No the other word..
I agree with this.
Christ has said that whoever believes in Him and is baptized will be saved. He never commands us to participate in empty rituals. Grace is given through baptism. In it we die together with Christ, and are raised with Him into His heavenly Kingdom spiritually.
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MamaZ
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I believe that any pool of water can be used. For it is the confession of Christ where one is saved and not in the water baptism itself..
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I agree with the confession part. This just seems to me to be another way He lived His Jewish faith. He was showing that when the Holy Spirit descended he was "ritually pure". Same for us. While the Jews did this over and over and over, this was His, and our, last dip. KWIM?
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God prepared the way to reveal salvation in Christ in many of the rituals of the Jews. Christ said not to worry about external cleansing, but to look inward to our hearts.
Basil
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christianmomof3
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quite possibly, but it is quite different. here is one article i found http://messianicfellowship.50webs.com/mikvah.html
Apparantly one puts oneself into a mikvah and it is an individual experience whereas baptism should include other members of the Body of Christ proclaiming that they are baptising that person into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit while they are doing so - so it also includes the laying on of hands. Their purposes are different as well.
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but don't you think that losing the roots of its meaning, like we have with communion, diminishes its ability to really impact our hearts as much?
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By God's grace those individuals can receive God's full grace. The scriptures state the God has poured out His Spirit on all flesh now since Pentecost.
Basil
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When, Sunday morning during service is a nice time. Other than that it should be done when it is desired.
How, mode is not important. We see in the Bible that pouring is often done by God for baptism, though sprinkling is also done. While we have no recorded instance that we know immersion is practiced, that too is within the meaning of the text and so is an acceptable practice. In any case the important thing is that the water is united with God's word. It is also natural to apply the water three times as one speaks of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but once, while somewhat outside the historic practice would be okay as well.
It really doesn't signify anything. You are united to Christ's death and resurrection, born of the water and the Spirit.
It's not absolutely essential. Get's to be a case by case thing for if you reject being a disciple of Christ through rejection of baptism it becomes difficult to say you would be saved anyway, but many who reject baptism are indeed saved for they believe the Gospel and so are declared righteous by God, their rejection is of a misunderstanding of baptism and not Jesus himself.
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christianmomof3
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Children are sanctified - set apart to God - by having believing parents.
While the Bible does say that families were baptised, it does not mention ages so while there may have been babies involved, there is just as much of a chance that there may not have been. There is no mention ever of a baby being baptised. All of the examples in the Bible are of people who repent, confess that Jesus is Lord, and are baptised by being immersed in water.
I don't think any of us intellectually fully understand anything about God and that is not a requirement for salvation - if it was, we would all be doomed.
I don't think that God abandons our children to Satan if we don't dip them in water and say we are baptising them. The Bible tells us that our children are sanctified by having believing parents.
1 Corinthians 7:14 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the brother; otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
This does not mean that our children are saved, but that they are set apart for God. Then, when they are old enough to believe, repent and be baptised, we pray that they will chose to do so.
Baptising infants does not protect babies from Satan.
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The scriptures can make it sound that way, if you pick out a few from the total context of scripture, but if you take the gospel as a whole, it's very clear that salvation comes by grace, beginning with baptism.
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MamaZ
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Actually you have to believe before being baptized.. So grace comes through Christ and believing in Him.
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Celticflower
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I don't think it matters much where, when, by whom, to whom, at what age or how much water is used -- The important thing is it is the start of a journey, not the end of it.
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Then it's not given by God's grace alone, but is contingent on us believing. Normally for adults to come to Christ, belief would naturally come first, so we read about that situation in scripture, but that's not to say it cannot come to infants also--that conclusion is based on false assumptions.
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