Baptism of the Holy Ghost

[ARBITER01]

are Pentecostal Churches today teaching Baptism of the Holy Spirit, do we see gifts of the Holy Spirit evident in todays Church ?

Our AOG church in Ohio still teaches the filling of The Spirit with the gifts. We normally have a tongues message and interpretation around every other service. Back around the 2010 timeframe for about 3 years we would normally have 3 tongues messages with interpretations each service. The corporate gifts operating like that were considered inspirational by the old Saints, and I could see exactly why. Throughout the entire week new insight and revelations given to me by The Holy Spirit were off the charts. Just one service like that on a Sunday would last an entire week. I couldn't stop writing things down. To have the different gifts operating before me in the service and the revelation/teaching happening from The Holy Spirit also, it couldn't be any better for me. I was able to learn from The Holy Spirit by experience.

It has obviously tapered off since then, but I attribute that to a new pastor and a congregation that is way more in the flesh now than Spiritual. That always seems to be the case. I told the Pastor just the other day about pushing us towards bible reading, fasting, and such if he wanted to see GOD in action more.

 

[rocknanchor]

Sorry the article is behind a paywall, but the first paragraph is the only evidence I can offer.

Did a little looking myself. As one might imagine, there are impressive studies but, are often littered with HS / Pentecostal misconceptions. Fully, biased red-flags.

 

[rocknanchor]

Our AOG church in Ohio still teaches the filling of The Spirit with the gifts. We normally have a tongues message and interpretation around every other service. Back around the 2010 timeframe for about 3 years we would normally have 3 tongues messages with interpretations each service. The corporate gifts operating like that were considered inspirational by the old Saints, and I could see exactly why. Throughout the entire week new insight and revelations given to me by The Holy Spirit were off the charts. Just one service like that on a Sunday would last an entire week. I couldn't stop writing things down. To have the different gifts operating before me in the service and the revelation/teaching happening from The Holy Spirit also, it couldn't be any better for me. I was able to learn from The Holy Spirit by experience.

It has obviously tapered off since then, but I attribute that to a new pastor and a congregation that is way more in the flesh now than Spiritual. That always seems to be the case. I told the Pastor just the other day about pushing us towards bible reading, fasting, and such if he wanted to see GOD in action more.

Interesting.

To have the different gifts operating before me in the service and the revelation/teaching happening from The Holy Spirit also, it couldn't be any better for me. I was able to learn from The Holy Spirit by experience.

It has obviously tapered off since then, but I attribute that to a new pastor and a congregation that is way more in the flesh now than Spiritual. That always seems to be the case. I told the Pastor just the other day about pushing us towards bible reading, fasting, and such if he wanted to see GOD in action more.

So many of us have witnessed this first-hand or by way of common reports. Myself also beheld the older Christians commit to interpretation regularly till yes, under-breath mocking whispers dangerously within hearing distance of the interpreter.

Point is, wherein does this type of disbelief arise? God is known to "try the hearts", if we begin to berated this Holy and solemn ocurance by tempting Him with quench is bad indeed.

And if this is permitted, where also is tongues to appear with such doubt? Doubt like this must assume the roll of God himself to deem it unacceptable tongues.

 

[ARBITER01]

Interesting.

So many of us have witnessed this first-hand or by way of common reports. Myself also beheld the older Christians commit to interpretation regularly till yes, under-breath mocking whispers dangerously within hearing distance of the interpreter.

Point is, wherein does this type of disbelief arise? God is known to "try the hearts", if we begin to berated this Holy and solemn ocurance by tempting Him with quench is bad indeed.

And if this is permitted, where also is tongues to appear with such doubt? Doubt like this must assume the roll of God himself to deem it unacceptable tongues.

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

The only real obstacle to The Spirit's operation in churches is their inherent fleshly condition, not disbelief. If people are going to attend a Sunday service but then go out and frolic with the world the rest of the week, while refusing to read their bibles, fast, and pray,.... then that church is going to be full of bunch of carnal Christians, of whom The Holy Spirit will not operate through.

Holiness is spiritual purity, and that requires us to spend time with GOD and His word.

 

[rocknanchor]

The only real obstacle to The Spirit's operation in churches is their inherent fleshly condition, not disbelief.

No connection? Remember, "whatever is not of faith is sin" including, "selfish ambition" (Gal 5:20).

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

A cooling, but not yet cold condition within the Church with still another work of the flesh which is our inability to overcome differences of opinion also known as, "dissensions". There is an obvious and inherent fear to heed the apostolic call to these works consecutively,

Be perfected,​

be exhorted,​

be of the same mind,​

be at peace.​

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(2 Corinthians 13:11)​

A godly oxymoron call if you will, for a Church of diverse enablements yet faithful to carry themselves through to the same conclusions. This may not be the only thing affecting that vigilance committed to us, But as far as our coddling of denominations go, she just has little to no contentment for that for the time being.

With that in place, I can understand why it is hard to resist our kicking against our success to "draw near to God".

 

[rocknanchor]

We have about twenty churches in agreement at this point. After the Secretary of State finalizes the incorporation paperwork, I will invite people who agree with our doctrinal focus to begin home groups or churches worldwide.

How I love all holy flash of inspirations to improve. May I ask, out of that 'twenty', was the percentage relatively low who refused these improvements?

 

[rocknanchor]

Those are just a few...

Trust, once formalizing has occurred, you will post the entirety in the Pentecostal forum?

 

[ARBITER01]

No connection? Remember, "whatever is not of faith is sin" including, "selfish ambition" (Gal 5:20).

A cooling, but not yet cold condition within the Church with still another work of the flesh which is our inability to overcome differences of opinion also known as, "dissensions". There is an obvious and inherent fear to heed the apostolic call to these works consecutively,

Be perfected,​

be exhorted,​

be of the same mind,​

be at peace.​

​

(2 Corinthians 13:11)​

A godly oxymoron call if you will, for a Church of diverse enablements yet faithful to carry themselves through to the same conclusions. This may not be the only thing affecting that vigilance committed to us, But as far as our coddling of denominations go, she just has little to no contentment for that for the time being.

With that in place, I can understand why it is hard to resist our kicking against our success to "draw near to God".

We need to end our conversation. I'm not sure what sort of stuff you are attempting to communicate here, but it has no relation to anything I'm talking about.

 

[Billy Evmur]

that's interesting ,as far as AOG churches i find the opposite

They LOVE the Holy Ghost ...'slong as He behaves Himself

 

[rocknanchor]

We need to end our conversation. I'm not sure what sort of stuff you are attempting to communicate here,

Whoops, didn't see that comment. Goodness, where is that fruit of temperance man? 2024 marks 40years since that minister's infraction I am calling out which was unbelief masquerading as discernment, and I am still in contact with him to this day. Possibly, a little of that patience would fall your way. God bless!

 

[rocknanchor]

sorry to say i find that the AOG has become more of an entertainment venue ,and less an Pentecostal church

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,
in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that all of you agree with one another
in what you say and that there be no
divisions among you, but that you be
perfectly united in mind and thought.

fulfill my joy so that you
may be of the same mind

Bring the, , the books,
especially the parchments.

(1Cor 1:10, Phil 2:2, 2Tim 4:13)

I suspect most will reflexively note, not such mystery at all, is this continuing denominational schism over BHS. Ever run a search on the Baptism with the Holy Spirit (BHS) on past posts? Really! Unless the algorithms aren’t treating me well, the subject isn’t very visible, at least not for rudimentary teachings such as BHS. Why focus on BHS? Or why consider the possibility of acquiring ‘’power from on high’’ without being high-minded? At the very least, why not for the simple joy in His kingdom,

Now the Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(2Cor 3:17)​

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If the student of the word went for an understanding of it, it would appear to him to be a largely a non-frequented or toxic subject. That is entirely unfortunate. Due to the fact of wide-spread disunity over the teaching of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, and though leadership agrees with it's teaching, a continual silence on it if they wish to retain membership. Also unfortunate is to experience watering down the truth till there is nothing left. The masses should be able to recognize this!

Has this rudimentary truth been shelved?

So, this interest of mine isn’t over the accuracy of AI, but the condition of BHS among the flock of God. No matter where a dogma or doctrine has originated or evolved into, does it hold up to God’s will as shown in His word? The gathering I assigned to AI was interesting. That doesn’t mean it was correct in all instances. Nevertheless, I suspect, the Baptism in/with/of the Holy Spirit lack of visibility is due to a small variety of factors. Here is an un-edited gathering from AI why that is, all AI commentary in blue, you may want to do the same for all subsequent AI-generated text if so inclined.

AI Definition of BHS Reluctance:

The BHS is a profound spiritual experience that signifies the infilling of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life. This event is often accompanied by various spiritual gifts, such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and greater boldness in faith. However, despite its significance, the BHS often lacks visibility in many contemporary Christian discussions and teachings.

Several reasons contribute to this lack of visibility. Firstly, theological differences among Christian denominations lead to varied interpretations and emphasis on the BHS. While Pentecostal and Charismatic movements place a strong focus on this experience, other denominations may regard it as less central to their faith practice. Secondly, cultural shifts and secular influences have led to a general decline in spiritual discussions within public and private spheres.

Moreover, the rise of individualism in modern societies has often relegated communal and spiritual experiences to the background. The emphasis on personal belief systems and the privatization of faith have further diminished the collective acknowledgment and discussion of the BHS. Consequently, many believers may experience the BHS in isolation, without the support or understanding of their broader faith community.

Addressing this lack of visibility requires a renewed commitment to fostering open, inclusive conversations about the BHS within Christian communities. By sharing personal testimonies, engaging in theological dialogues, and educating believers about the significance and benefits of the BHS, the Christian faith can reintroduce this vital aspect of spiritual life into the collective consciousness.

 

[actionsub]

let me ask this do you attend AOG or another Pentecostal church ? here in this part of Oklahoma we have several different Pentecostal churches, the most adhere to the old ministry are Holiness, Aog who have really moderated , some Full Gospel , and non denominal who get some material and have AOG back ground, and Pentecostal Church of God

In our neck of the woods, we have a number of churches who are "Independent Assemblies of God". Apparently it's a spinoff group of churches.