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The word μονογενης does not mean "unique only" as one person said. The roots are fairly clear. μονο means "one or only" and γενης means "generated."
The context is as one in the bossom of the Father. The translation begotten fits very well, depicting both Son, from the wider context, and God.
gen-, geno-, -geny, genesis bring to life, create, make (gene, genetics, genotype, parthenogenesis, sporogenous, zymogen)
But on what basis do these people say this word should not be understood by its roots?
hmmm...A Ukrainian Orthodox who promotes eschatology. Sounds like a contradiction in terms.
Well it's one thing to privately believe that but when you are a president of a Christian college and then promote it on a web page?.
Oh, this is nothing compared to some Lutherans that promote pre-milleniallism.
These Lutheran "heretics" drive me crazy.
(slinking outta here).
Oh really? Interesting. I did not know that.Well it's one thing to privately believe that but when you are a president of a Christian college and then promote it on a web page?
Show me the Scripture where it says that souls are uncreated.
My argument is intuitive and not strictly Biblical (and thus highly vulnerable to more astute Biblical insight). I view the soul as a fragment of the Holy Father, the sum toto of All souls.
It takes a combination of firebrand nature and pure genius to rebut in such a succinct and poigant manner.
My argument is intuitive and not strictly Biblical (and thus highly vulnerable to more astute Biblical insight). I view the soul as a fragment of the Holy Father, the sum toto of All souls.
Edit: I must add, as the old sayings about many things goes, "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts." God is much more than the sum toto of all souls, but He is most certainly that too; like the Mandlebrot Set, made up of an infinite number of little copies of itself, in the Image of God, and yet each copy is still infinitely unique and distinct from every other tiny little copy.
And prior to that the soul did not have a spirit, i.e. the breath of life (spiritus in Latin literally means breath). This does not clearly state that the soul was created as oppose to the soul simply acquiring something. The spirit and body were created, but prior to being a living soul the soul was a pre-incarnate soul.I would try this verse (in KJV, since it accurately renders nephesh as soul) to try and counter your theory.
[FONT="]GE 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.[/FONT]
Here I see that man was without life. God breathed on him and a soul "became".
There is much supposition here, is the soul really a thing? Things must reside somewhere, but where does the soul reside? What is an immortal soul and how is it immortal?And here I see that Christ created all things, visible as well as invisible.
[FONT="]COL 1:16 For by him (Christ) all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, ...[/FONT]
Since soul is invisible and Christ created all invisible things, would you still say that soul was uncreated?
You think too much. Why do you persist on confusing yourself even more?And prior to that the soul did not have a spirit, i.e. the breath of life (spiritus in Latin literally means breath). This does not clearly state that the soul was created as oppose to the soul simply acquiring something. The spirit and body were created, but prior to being a living soul the soul was a pre-incarnate soul.
The word nephesh is translated alternately as spirit then as soul, and as about two dozen other things as well, such as perfume and wisdom in Psalms. The word is a messy jumble that blurs the distinction between spirit and soul.
There is much supposition here, is the soul really a thing? Things must reside somewhere, but where does the soul reside? What is an immortal soul and how is it immortal?
The word might be a "messy jumble that blurs the distinction between spirit and soul" ... and that is due to translations into another language.And prior to that the soul did not have a spirit, i.e. the breath of life (spiritus in Latin literally means breath). This does not clearly state that the soul was created as oppose to the soul simply acquiring something. The spirit and body were created, but prior to being a living soul the soul was a pre-incarnate soul.
The word nephesh is translated alternately as spirit then as soul, and as about two dozen other things as well, such as perfume and wisdom in Psalms. The word is a messy jumble that blurs the distinction between spirit and soul.
Soul does not need to reside anywhere in the spiritual world. It could and does exist by itself.There is much supposition here, is the soul really a thing? Things must reside somewhere, but where does the soul reside? What is an immortal soul and how is it immortal?
The Bible is most certainly 100% correct that the soul is utterly and completely distinct from the spirit and there has never been any confusion in God’s mind between them, these two persons within all of us, but utterly and completely unfathomable to human beings who know nothing real of their own true nature. And so the Bible has not a single further thing to say on this distinction. The Bible does not specifically delineate any of the infinite distinctions between the spirit and the soul in anything but the most circuitous of manners, in fact it is utterly and completely vague about any such distinction, even as it so clearly specifies that such a distinction obviously exists.The word might be a "messy jumble that blurs the distinction between spirit and soul" ... and that is due to translations into another language.
Other languages cannot grasp the exact distingtion between soul and spirit, since soul and spirit in a person are very much intertwined. Like an analogy of a nervous system would be in a body.
Yet the Bible distinctly separates the 2 ...
Actually the word of God is capable of separating these two ... a type of a divine "surgery".
God sees a distinction between soul and spirit, joints and marrow thought and attotudes of heart.
[FONT="]HEB 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.[/FONT]
So these are two separate things and in the end they will be separated.
Soul does not need to reside anywhere in the spiritual world. It could and does exist by itself.
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