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I feel like I was fooled by the bait and switch tactics that many a christian use to lure people into a life with Christ. These include a new identity and no longer identify with your parents. One is you can live the abundant life life (bot talking about materialism). You can have a thrilling life as long as your in Christ etc. etc. I feel that these things aren't true for all people. I seem to have the habits of my parents even though I am identified with Christ. I still seem to struggle finding friends my own age. I had many years of clinical depression and what not and it brought on habits I can't seem to break. Change was promised and I don't see it. These tactics have caused me to be angry with God. I need to remember not every Christian was promised a rose garden.

After all of this boo hooing, ^_^ What do you think about churches using bait and switch tactics (if you think they are)? Did you feel frustrated when you found out that these statements didn't fit you?
 
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I know what you mean about feeling frustrated that things were not changing like I wanted them to change. I was incredibly angry about the situation. I still suffer from loneliness and deep chronic depression. It is hard.

But I don't think it is about Him not coming through or the churches promising something that is not true as much as me not appropriating the truth. Don't take this as an excuse to beat up on yourself or feel bad about yourself because it has not come about yet--I am not really saying it is your fault. I am just saying that the promises are there and there is something that is stopping them from coming true in your life. And in my life.
 
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I still seem to struggle finding friends my own age.
If you are the age shown on your profile, it might just be the phase of life everyone's in. When I was thirty, I was getting four hours of sleep and barely hanging on. Doing things with friends was a rare treat. We can pray that God will bring good people into your life.

no longer identify with your parents
That has a cult-like ring to it, so maybe that's part of the problem you were seeing. It is not wrong to question how a church operates. We see terrible offenses come up in the news, and gasp... but then how often have we heard Christians encourage accountability of leadership? Instead, it seems to fly the opposite direction.

I remember when one of the major scandals came out in the news. I didn't know the evangelist so watched one of their services to see how the church was faring after the shock. Instead of elders rallying to cover, and minister to those hurt, the offending pastor was back in the pulpit teaching people they need to obey any way!
Atrocious, offensive, abominable behavior.
And then a peer of that pastor in another state did the same thing for his service that week.

But if we read through the whole Bible -not just the New Testament -- we see that God is displeased by dishonesty, undeserved gain, and impurity within His temple.
Read through the major prophets, and their prophecies are full of criticism against religious leaders.

Jesus spoke out against religious leaders who tricked parishioners -- calling them a brood of vipers, and whitewashed fences.

I am not trying to steer you away from church, lol, but to show that God is not behind blind obedience.
Change was promised and I don't see it.
Sometimes positive teaching and power in praise are taught, because they do have an effect on mood. There are some simple principles of distraction, choosing not to get caught up in negative patterns, showing gratefulness ... that do work for people. And there is also the power of God (oh yeah) but that's not quite what you are saying. The focus is on promises people make.
What do you think about churches using bait and switch tactics
I seem to be overly sensitive to fakery, and will remove myself from a situation if I find myself asked to be part of it. That doesn't always pay off, but it keeps my head clear.

I had some great examples back in my teens, of members who stood by a church even when a cult-like wave had taken over. They declined going to certain meetings, and put up with being called subversive or rebellious... but they were like lighthouses standing firmly in place, and I was so comforted knowing I could run to them.
(I'm not sure if I did... I mostly found strength in observing.)

So now I don't mind if I'm out their on the end of the pier in the fog, not jumping on the boat.
 
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Quite the contrary, if you profess to be a Christian and really try to "walk the walk" these days you are going to be anything but welcomed in this world. And yes, we ALL become our parents to some degree or other. Don't feel uniquely bad about that. I don't know about "bait and switch" tactics but some congregations invite you in with great promises of friendship then ignore you once you are in. That is the "human condition" as I call it. It is provincialism, it is not wanting to step out of one's comfort zone. The congregants feel "He/she's in, now we don't have to do anything more". As I always stress, if we as Christians really want to reach out to others we have to rise above our culture and truly welcome them each and every time. We'll always have friends and family, in church or outside church, we need to be attentive to the newcomers and help them grow, overcome their difficulties and feel welcomed. We need to reach out to our communities in kind ways such as volunteering in hospice, working at the food pantry or soup kitchen. Be true lights in the darkness.
 
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At least you figured out what was going on rather than fizzled with confusion as to why something didn't make sense.

Once I stumbled into the teachings about how love/charity never fail it just made more sense to me that the pattern I was taught wasn't completely accurate. I was essentially given the idea that we ask God for tangible things and we get them but in reality everything I have is for me to give and I've really been at peace since. I don't have any friends my age either but I still have yet to reach out farther than the church I go to. It seems though that I'm the only one with this mindset that I don't need nice things for myself at all. I also downright don't agree with being told to go prosper just because Abraham was rich.
 
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Never forget that the people in the church are not God. Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed is he who trusts in man.

I find it easier to be accepting of people if I lower my expectations. That means keeping a little distance from them, the better to focus on God. This can cause conflict with people in the church who have a lot of pride and want to micromanage my life. You have to set boundaries and remind them that they don't know everything.
 
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It makes me wonder, if Christians think Jesus is not going to to make them suffer. See, we all suffer as Christian. Jesus said, he did not come to bring peace on Earth, but to make division. Father against son and mother against daughter. This basically means, we will have conflicts in our lives, as a Christian.

True example of my Dad and me. My Dad drink beer by the 12 pack - that is a drunk. I do nout drink. My Dad dealt in drugs. My God forbids it and thus so do I. My Dad never reads his Bible but claims to be a Christian. I read my Bible and study it with a passion and am a true Christian. My Dad married for wealth and told us boys to do the same. I married a Christian lady woman and she had nothing of value. So you can see I have many conflicts to how I live my life and my Dad living his. We don't see eye to eye on things. He seems to be heading down the wrong path.
 
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Depression vcan be a real dampner. Luther and many other Christians have had to strggle with it. Usually there is no one incident or bit if advice that banishes it. Support, learning not to beat up on yourself (or God) when it hits you, and adopting some health habits - good ffod, regular exercise, an enjoyable hobby or interest - can all play a part.

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