Bad arguments

[Skaloop]

The folks over at Answers In Genesis deserve a little bit of credit for listing a variety of Creationist arguments that they themselves deem to be bad arguments, so much so that they suggest Creationists not use them.

Which got me to wondering what sort of arguments we atheists use against the Bible or God in general that are not sound arguments. What are the PRATTs that atheists should stop using?

I can think of a few. The whole "can God make a rock so big He can't lift it" question is logically invalid. The argument that the Bible says pi=3 is also weak, because it would be perfectly understandable to give approximate measurements in that situation. If the Biblical reference had pi=27, well, then that would be something else, but 3 is the result of acceptable rounding.

I think there are plenty of legitimate arguments against the supposed facts of the Bible, and the nature and existence of God. But some are better than others. From your viewpoint, which ones are the worst?

 

[seajoy]

This one...

"I'm a really good person, and don't deserve hell, or any other bad stuff."

Answer:
Everyone has done wrong sometime. Even if you had only commited one wrong, it's still a wrong...so you need Christ because He demands perfection.

Just a side note...Christians are not perfect. We still sin . It's because of what Jesus did FOR US that we are going to heaven.

 

[jesusfreak220]

"I believe in evolution."

That's well and good but even if you believe we've evolved from primordial ooze, where did that ooze come from? Science says that matter is neither created nor destroyed, so how'd it get here in the first place if not by God? Same deal with energy.

 

[Skaloop]

"I believe in evolution."

That's well and good but even if you believe we've evolved from primordial ooze, where did that ooze come from? Science says that matter is neither created nor destroyed, so how'd it get here in the first place if not by God? Same deal with energy.

I find it interesting that in describing why you choose that as a bad argument, you use a bad argument yourself. There are several natural mechanisms whereby the universe, and later life, could have begun.

Regardless, stating that I accept evolution is merely stating a fact. I do accept evolution. It's not an argument against God becaus many people accept evolution and still believe in God. I am more interested in arguments along the lines of "God cannot exist because..." or "The Bible is wrong/contradictory in this way..."

Do you have any of those sort?

 

[BelindaP]

I don't know that it is a bad argument, but one that I'm tired of hearing is: God doesn't exist because of the evil in the world. A variation on the theme includes: If God loves everyone, why do bad things happen to people?

 

[solarwave]

Most of the arguments against christianity seem to fall down a lot. There are a few good ones that really make you think, that I couldn't answer, other than faith, luckly others that know more than me answer them.

Things that are anoying are when people argue,''God's loving, why's He send people to hell'', ''The heavy rock thing'',''Question of sin''<actually thats a quite a good question, it just get boring hearing it over and over, ''free will''. <Well theres a few.

 

[jesusfreak220]

Not that I can think of at the moment but like others have said stuff like "If God loves me, why would He send me to hell?" and such. And btw:I'm one of those ppl who believe evolution to a degree but still believe God created everything. And as for my argument, take evolution for what you will but where did what we evolved from (and please please please don't say monkeys because even Darwin didn't say we came from monkeys) come from? The very first thing that existed, where did that come from? If it were just a bunch of right combinations in elements and such, a-where'd the elements come from and b-isn't that a huge coincidence? I'm shutting up now though b/c I tend to get carried away and idk all the facts that I'm trying to say-ik they exist but I haven't memorized them-read One Heartbeat Away by Mark Cahill if you wanna better explaination of this.

 

[Key]

To list a few:

"Mithra is Jesus" give it a rest, has this not been debunked enough buy everyone already?

"God is based off some Other Deity" another PRATT, that gets old, very fast.

In general the copy-cat arguments just are lame. They are pointless, and all of them have been refuted beyond any of them meriting any respect in any manner. But they just stay around.... and they stick.. and people do not realize how ignorant they seem when they bring this PRATT up.

No matter how much this gets shot down.. it just stays around.. and it just gets dumber and dumber as time goes on.



"Your God is Evil" no God not, if you studied at least one ounce of historical culture.. you would know better then to make this claim. Too many people think that this all happened.. like yesterday, and fail to realize that this was thousands of years ago. Life.. was... different...

Pretty much.. any argument in that direction...

Bats and Birds, The World is Flat.. or any other word problem. Here is the deal.. they did not have the right words for this.. we are dealing with a very primitive language. They did not have a word for sphere, (And a BALL was a misshapen cow bladder, and also note, The Jews did not have any ball games of any sort, so balls were not common, people could not relate to them), this type of stuff gets rally old.. really quick, and to say it over and over and over again.. gets boring.

Please.. if you want to argue words.. learn a bit about the language you are arguing with. They did not have a word for Bat and a Word for Bird.. they had ONE word.. for flying thing.

And, Hebrew was a Crude Language.. it was not sweet and PC and all that junk, and people really miss this, I mean, it gets old. The Bible was not written in English.. it was Translated to English.. it was not written yesterday.. it was written thousands of years ago. Things have changed in the languages as time went on. Languages have refined and changed with culture.. it's very.... tiresome.. really... to have to say that over and over again...

Jesus never existed: (AKA: Christ Mythers) This has been shot down to the point that no one would respect this on any platform. Any historian would laugh at this, no matter what their belief. Yet, people still Bring up the Christ Myth, and this type of PRATT gets old quick. As a matter of fact, the more we discover, the more we have validated that Jesus did indeed walk the earth.

I'll bring up more when I can think of them.. give me a day.. I'll see a dozen more.. that are just PRATT...

God Bless

Key

 

[Key]

God is Against Women: Please, this is just sad, and spoken in ignorance, woman played a vital role in Christianity, and this was a break from the cultural norm that woman would have been given the respect and freedom that Bible bestows upon them.

God Supports Slavery: Oh please.. another OT problem that is brought up time and time again, and again, it is explained that life and culture were different, they were not as they are today. This concept seems to just bounce off atheist like they are made of rubber.

1001 contradictions in the bible: (or equal). And everyone one of them has been refuted. If you looked at the next site.. it says "1001 contradictions in the bible refuted" please.. leave the cutty pastie from things like this.. alone. I have no desire to go and clip the answer just to fill up message board space.

Answer To My Satisfaction: This is just lame.. and a very very juvenile way to argue. First you set up that you demand an answer that can not be given, and then you complain that the answer has not been provided. Can you leave this type of stuff at the door when you show up. If you don't like the answer, too bad, that does not mean it is not the answer. Deal with it. I really hate this level of baby type stuff that is tossed around. It's lame.. it's over done.. and it's worthless. If you don't want an answer and want to believe that this is the ultimate trump against my religion, then just walk away believing it. Don't ask me for an answer and then say "I don't like that answer". It's really.. really... lame.. and it is done... all the time.

I'll think of a few more as Time Goes on....

God Bless

Key

 

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