Backwards ideas

[rjs330]

People like sex, simple as that. And everyone has the right to enjoy sex the way they like it, as long as it doesn't involve anyone against their will.



You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of transgender people.



What do you think those two terms actually mean?

Yes people like sex. God made it that way! But he also said it's sin to have sex with someone your not married to. It's sindul no matter if it's consentual or not.

Men cannot get pregnant. It's a biological fact no matter how people feel. They may feel like man, but biologically they are the female sex. Gender has nothing to do with the sex of a person. It's about feelings, wants and desires.

 

[JackRT]

So lately been coming across backwards ideas... I'm just, done. I'm not the greatest believer(Christian) but some of this stuff I'm like God please come back these people are so confused and backwards.

1. I read an article from a Christian woman praising promiscous women and encouraging them that it was good! Huh since when it's everything opposite of what God says.

2. People saying men get pregnant uh no they don't that doesn't even agree with science.

3. People being okay with incest! What on Earth people!

Liberalism and feminism have kinda ruined the world.

What on earth does this foolishness have to do with either liberalism or feminism?

 

[variant]

What on earth does this foolishness have to do with either liberalism or feminism?

Didn't you know? Everyone who is a liberal or a feminist must agree with every other liberal or feminist every time regardless of if the idea is actually integral to liberalism or feminism. And, regardless of whether it is just a belief assigned at random by someone on the internet to those groups.

So in the same vein, it should logically follow that:

Every conservative or right winger must agree with every other conservative or right winger always and every time.

So, the OP should have to explain this guys opinions and why they support them.

Fair is fair right?

I think the OP's attribution of various positions to "liberals and feminists" in general was one of those backwards ideas they were talking about.

 

[Kylie]

Yes people like sex. God made it that way! But he also said it's sin to have sex with someone your not married to. It's sindul no matter if it's consentual or not.

Since not everyone shares that view (including some Christians, my husband is a Christian, always has been, and yet he didn't have a problem with sleeping with me before we were married), I don't think you can use this as an argument.

Men cannot get pregnant. It's a biological fact no matter how people feel. They may feel like man, but biologically they are the female sex. Gender has nothing to do with the sex of a person. It's about feelings, wants and desires.

You are confusing someone's gender identity with their physical body. I know I am a woman because of my gender identity. It's in my head, it's my sense of self. The physical construction of my body has nothing to do with it. I mean, a man doesn't stop being a man if you chop his penis off, does it? Because his sense of gender lives in his head, not his penis. And the simple fact is that sometimes people have a sense of gender that does not match their physical construction. A person can have a uterus and their sense of gender can tell them that they are a man.

 

[Sketcher]

Since not everyone shares that view (including some Christians, my husband is a Christian, always has been, and yet he didn't have a problem with sleeping with me before we were married), I don't think you can use this as an argument.

Not everyone has to share this view for it to be valid and right.

You are confusing someone's gender identity with their physical body. I know I am a woman because of my gender identity. It's in my head, it's my sense of self. The physical construction of my body has nothing to do with it. I mean, a man doesn't stop being a man if you chop his penis off, does it? Because his sense of gender lives in his head, not his penis. And the simple fact is that sometimes people have a sense of gender that does not match their physical construction. A person can have a uterus and their sense of gender can tell them that they are a man.

Someone with a functioning uterus who believes themselves to be a man isn't a man. They would either be intersex or a transman, depending on what they were born with.

 

[Kylie]

Not everyone has to share this view for it to be valid and right.

And I'll turn that around - just because you believe one thing, doesn't mean that's true either.

Someone with a functioning uterus who believes themselves to be a man isn't a man. They would either be intersex or a transman, depending on what they were born with.

Yeah, a trans man, or, as I like to put it, a man.

 

[Sketcher]

And I'll turn that around - just because you believe one thing, doesn't mean that's true either.

True, but irrelevant.

Yeah, a trans man, or, as I like to put it, a man.

Transmen are not men. There are some very important biological distinctions.

 

[Moral Orel]

There are some very important biological distinctions.

What is "very important" about the biological distinctions?

 

[Kylie]

True, but irrelevant.

Not really, it's quite relevant. Because it means that your ideas could be wrong.

Transmen are not men. There are some very important biological distinctions.

What makes someone a man is what their gender identity is. If someone's gender identity tells them they are a man, then they are a man, regardless of what genitals they have.

You seem to be confusing physical bodies with gender identity.

 

[jayem]

Not to get off the topic of gender, but there are a lot of other backwards, antiquated, erroneous, unfit ideas in the US. Some examples:

The Electoral College
Health insurance provided by your job
For-profit health insurance in general
There is no warming trend in global temperatures
Vaccines are more harmful than beneficial
Protective tariffs are good for the economy
Large tax reductions for the very wealthy will trickle down to benefit everyone else
People choose to be homosexual

 

[bekkilyn]

What is "very important" about the biological distinctions?

True, if you're not popping out babies left and right, who cares, really?

 

[Sketcher]

Not really, it's quite relevant. Because it means that your ideas could be wrong.

If that is so, then demonstrate why my refutation was wrong, rather than attempt to distract from it. Specifically why every person, or even every Christian must agree on something to be right or wrong for it to be right or wrong.

What makes someone a man is what their gender identity is. If someone's gender identity tells them they are a man, then they are a man, regardless of what genitals they have.

You seem to be confusing physical bodies with gender identity.

Simply repeating what you said earlier does not refute what I said in response to it.

 

[Sketcher]

What is "very important" about the biological distinctions?

In terms of sex and reproduction, everything.

 

[Moral Orel]

In terms of sex and reproduction, everything.

So not important in general, just important in certain contexts to some people.

 

[Sketcher]

So not important in general, just important in certain contexts to some people.

In your opinion, perhaps.

 

[Moral Orel]

In your opinion, perhaps.

I asked you! Feel free to tell me why it's important to all people in all contexts.

 

[Kylie]

If that is so, then demonstrate why my refutation was wrong, rather than attempt to distract from it. Specifically why every person, or even every Christian must agree on something to be right or wrong for it to be right or wrong.

If this was so important to God, then why wouldn't he make it clearer? After all, everyone is in agreement about the molecular structure of water - two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom. The fact that there's so much disagreement about how sex is meant to happen indicates that it's a subjective opinion, not objective fact. And that's fine - if you think sex shouldn't happen outside of marriage, you don't have to do it. But telling others that they can't do it either is like a dieter telling other people, "You can't eat that ice cream because I'm on a diet!" Your views don't get to determine how other people live.

Simply repeating what you said earlier does not refute what I said in response to it.

I am stating a fact. Do you want some supporting evidence? Okay. Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age If you refuse to deal with facts, then I'm not sure how you think we can have a discussion.

 

[Sketcher]

If this was so important to God, then why wouldn't he make it clearer? After all, everyone is in agreement about the molecular structure of water - two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom. The fact that there's so much disagreement about how sex is meant to happen indicates that it's a subjective opinion, not objective fact. And that's fine - if you think sex shouldn't happen outside of marriage, you don't have to do it. But telling others that they can't do it either is like a dieter telling other people, "You can't eat that ice cream because I'm on a diet!" Your views don't get to determine how other people live.

All disagreement really indicates is that there are multiple opinions about a matter. You have people that accept that the Earth is round, and you have people who claim it is flat. The truth of the matter is one of those two, regardless of the disagreement. If you don't think this same reasoning applies to sex, consider that there are people who disagree that a partner has to be consenting. Without consent of course, that's rape. Therefore you have people who claim that rape is never permissible, and you have other people who claim that in at least some cases, it is permissible to rape someone. Does this mean that the claim that "rape is always evil and should be illegal" is just an opinion? Or is it a belief that also happens to be true, in spite of what people who disagree with it believe? If you think it's just an opinion, then at least you're consistent, but my point is that the fact that people disagree about a subject does not in any way indicate that no one is absolutely right about it. The existence of disagreement is not a valid reason to say that a given stance on scientific discoveries or human behavior isn't right.

I am stating a fact. Do you want some supporting evidence? Okay. Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age If you refuse to deal with facts, then I'm not sure how you think we can have a discussion.

Unfortunately, this is short on details, like how this was controlled, how many of them that didn't have GD were homosexual, etc. I'm agreeing where they say "more research is needed."

 

[Kylie]

All disagreement really indicates is that there are multiple opinions about a matter. You have people that accept that the Earth is round, and you have people who claim it is flat. The truth of the matter is one of those two, regardless of the disagreement.

Which is why we go looking for evidence from the real world to settle the matter.

Because (lol) what kind of fool would deny evidence from the real world to hold onto a belief that has no real-world evidence to support it?

If you don't think this same reasoning applies to sex, consider that there are people who disagree that a partner has to be consenting. Without consent of course, that's rape. Therefore you have people who claim that rape is never permissible, and you have other people who claim that in at least some cases, it is permissible to rape someone. Does this mean that the claim that "rape is always evil and should be illegal" is just an opinion? Or is it a belief that also happens to be true, in spite of what people who disagree with it believe? If you think it's just an opinion, then at least you're consistent, but my point is that the fact that people disagree about a subject does not in any way indicate that no one is absolutely right about it. The existence of disagreement is not a valid reason to say that a given stance on scientific discoveries or human behavior isn't right.

Of course, I would say that the big difference here is that someone believing that the earth is flat isn't involving other people against their will. Rape by definition involves someone against their will. Rape causes demonstrable harm to people, and it is on that basis that it is not right.

Unfortunately, this is short on details, like how this was controlled, how many of them that didn't have GD were homosexual, etc. I'm agreeing where they say "more research is needed."

So how about until such further evidence turns up, we just treat people the way they'd like to be treated? And if someone tells us that they are a man, then we accept that they are in a far better position to know than us, and we take them at their word.

 

[JackRT]

Because (lol) what kind of fool would deny evidence from the real world to hold onto a belief that has no real-world evidence to support it?

How much time do you have?