back to basics...

[foundinHim]

1) The Bible is the written inspired "word" of God.
(2Tim.3:16-17)
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,
for reproof,
for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2) God is Spirit and exists eternally in trinity:
God the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
(refer to Deut.6:4; John 4:24, 16:7, 16:13-15; 2Cor.13:14)

3) The Lord Jesus Christ is truly God Incarnate, revealing the Father.
(refer to John 1:1, 1:14, 1:18, 14:9; Phil.2:6; Col.1:15)

4) The Lord Jesus Christ is truly man, born to the virgin Mary.
(refer to Matt.1:18; Luke 1:35; Phil.2:7)

5) The Lord Jesus Christ, God Incarnate was born free from the sin nature and could not in any way commit sin.
(refer to John 7:18; Rom.8:3; 2Cor.5:21; Titus 1:2; James 1:13)

6) The Lord Jesus Christ died as God's provided substitute for sinful mankind.
(refer to Isa.53:5; John 1:29; Rom.3:25, 4:25, 5:6, 8, 10 )

7) The Lord Jesus Christ rose from among the dead in His own physical body and ascended to the right hand of God.
(refer to Mark 16:19; Luke 24:39-46)

8) The Holy Spirit is God, sent by the Son from the Father to glorify the Son.
(refer to John 15:26, 16:7-15)

9) All mankind, after Adam and Eve sinned, other than the Lord Jesus Christ, are born dead in trespasses and sins.
(refer to Psa.51:5; Rom.3:9; Eph.2:1)

10) Salvation is by the grace of God through faith in the death, burial, resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
(refer to Rom.3:24-25; Eph.2:8-9; 1Cor.15:2-4)

11) The "church" of this dispensation of grace is the "body" of Christ ("the mystery"), unknown to previous ages and created unto good works until presented to Himself.
(refer to Rom.16:25; Eph.1:22-23, 2:10, 3:2-9, 5:27; Phil.3:14; Col.1:26)

12) All mankind will be resurrected in their own order and time.
(refer to John 5:29; 1Cor.15:22-23; Rev.20:5)

13) Satan and the fallen angels are spirits who willfully departed from their created state of innocence.
(refer to Isa.14:12-15; Ezek.28:12-19; Jude 6)

14) Satan is the deceiver of mankind and for his own sin is already judged and awaits confinement to the "lake of fire".
(refer to Gen.3:1-15; Matt.25:41; John 12:31; Rev.20:2-3, 7-10)

15) The purpose of the Lord's first advent was to fulfill the promise to the nation, presenting Himself as the true son of David, promised under the Davidic Covenant.
(refer to Matt.1:1, 15:24, 21:5,9; Luke 19:38-42; Rom.15:8)

16) The King and kingdom offered were rejected, and put in abeyance and Israel set aside in this age.
(refer to Acts 3:18, 13:46-47, 20:19-38, 28:23-29; Rom.11:25)

17) The Lord will yet return and reign as King for 1,000 years, then judge the dead, and bring in the new heaven and new earth.
(refer to Isa.65:17; Matt.25:31; Luke 1:32; 1Cor.15:23-28; 2Pet.3:7; Rev.20:4-7, 11-15, 21:1)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

17) The Lord will yet return and reign as King for 1,000 years, then judge the dead, and bring in the new heaven and new earth.

That depends on ones interpretation of Revelation and Daniel. I view revelation as "2 covenants/cities" and the Bible only show One Final Consummation, not 2 as revelation "appears" to be showing.
How about these verses for example using ONLY Scripture to interpret Scripture as I am sure the OC Jews would have been doing:.

John 11:48 if we may let him alone thus, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and will take away both our Place [topon <5117>] and nation.'

Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, 8 and they did not prevail, nor was their Place [topoV <5117>] found any more in the heaven;

Reve 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and Place [ topoV <5117>] was not found for them;

 

[foundinHim]

I haven't been a member of this site very long, but aren't there other forums/message boards for Covenant Theology and End-Times?

 

[eph3Nine]

I haven't been a member of this site very long, but aren't there other forums/message boards for Covenant Theology and End-Times?

Yes...there are...but ...sigh...the covenant theology folks just love to invade this site and change the focus...havent you noticed? wink

 

[foundinHim]

Yes...I am seeing more and more every day...thanks eph3Nine.

 

[foundinHim]

As to the Deity of Christ...

Jesus Christ is God Incarnate = God in the flesh.
He was NOT created...He is the Creator.

 

[foundinHim]

The Lord Jesus Christ is not dual natured. If any one says this...they are saying that He could sin.

Jesus Christ is 100% God/100% Man...God Incarnate/God in the flesh. He cannot sin, He cannot lie, He cannot die.
Christ Jesus is Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent. He is ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, ALL PRESENT/AROUND us.

(Matt.1:23)
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
(John 1:1-3)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
(John 1:14)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(Phil.2:7-8)
But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Col.1:15-17)
Who is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of every creature:
For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
(Rev.1:8)
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending," saith the LORD, "Which is, and Which was, and Which is to come, the Almighty."

Let us keep our eyes on Christ and behold His glory and may Christ the Living Word dwell in us richly!!!

 

[heymikey80]

17) The Lord will yet return and reign as King for 1,000 years, then judge the dead, and bring in the new heaven and new earth.
(refer to Isa.65:17; Matt.25:31; Luke 1:32; 1Cor.15:23-28; 2Pet.3:7; Rev.20:4-7, 11-15, 21:1)

I haven't been a member of this site very long, but aren't there other forums/message boards for Covenant Theology and End-Times?

Hm, one posted by foundinHim, the other posted by ... foundinHim.

Why is does dispensationalism demand the premillenial view of Rv 20:4?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

foundinHim The Lord Jesus Christ is not dual natured. If any one says this...they are saying that He could sin.

Jesus Christ is 100% God/100% Man...God Incarnate/God in the flesh. He cannot sin, He cannot lie, He cannot die.
Christ Jesus is Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent. He is ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, ALL PRESENT/AROUND us.

Jesus Christ is dual natured since He, YHWH of hosts in the second Person, called the Word of God, donned a brand New human nature of the second creation.

He is dual in nature, being both YHWH and MAN -New, Second created Man.
The Man died for our sins and rose again from the dead. God did not die, the Word did not die.
The Word did not cease being YHWH in the second Person when He donned the nature of the second Man creation.

And I am dual natured -as Paul admitted to being- since I have been born again of the New Man's Living Spirit and I am still in my Adam nature body of death. I choose to walk in the "Spirit Man", called Christ, and not in the carnal man, called Adam.
He chose to walk in the New Man and not in YHWH/Spirit when He descended to be our Kinsman/Redeemer -and yes, He had the ability to sin, that is why He was tempted, but He chose to not sin, He didn't want to sin, as Adam did, and He wanted to do the Father's will -as a human Son of God.

 

[foundinHim]

Hm, one posted by foundinHim, the other posted by ... foundinHim.

Why is does dispensationalism demand the premillenial view of Rv 20:4?

posts have been deleted in this thread...by who??? I don't know.

Sorry if my posts are confusing to you.

 

[foundinHim]

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

"Why do ye not understand My speech?
even because ye cannot hear My word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Which of you convinceth Me of sin?
And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Jesus Christ is dual natured since He, YHWH of hosts in the second Person, called the Word of God, donned a brand New human nature of the second creation.

He is dual in nature, being both YHWH and MAN -New, Second created Man.
The Man died for our sins and rose again from the dead. God did not die, the Word did not die.
The Word did not cease being YHWH in the second Person when He donned the nature of the second Man creation.

And I am dual natured -as Paul admitted to being- since I have been born again of the New Man's Living Spirit and I am still in my Adam nature body of death. I choose to walk in the "Spirit Man", called Christ, and not in the carnal man, called Adam.
He chose to walk in the New Man and not in YHWH/Spirit when He descended to be our Kinsman/Redeemer -and yes, He had the ability to sin, that is why He was tempted, but He chose to not sin, He didn't want to sin, as Adam did, and He wanted to do the Father's will -as a human Son of God.

The Living Spirit is come in a second human being creation.
When the body was prepared in the womb of the virgin by the Holy Spirit "overshadowing the virgin and the power of the Highest coming upon her, that body prepared in the womb was not a son of Adam, but a New Man, a second human Son of God, created new in the womb of the daughter of Adam to give legal authority to inherit all that Adam -and David, through Mary- was first given and which was sold into sin and corruption.

YHWH, Himself, in the second Person, called the "Word" put on Kinsman Garments to Adam to be Redeemer.
He was everlasting YHWH, with no beginning, but the body prepared in the womb for the Word of God to come incarnate in was that "hidden in God from the beginning" Son of Man of whom the prophets spoke, who was to come, is come and shall come, in human flesh of the second creation as Kinsman/Redeemer.



Isaiah 59: YHWH puts on human flesh as Kinsman.
~~~~the problem~~~~
9 Therefore justice is far from us,
Nor does righteousness overtake us;
We look for light, but there is darkness!
For brightness, but we walk in blackness!
10 We grope for the wall like the blind,
And we grope as if we had no eyes;
We stumble at noonday as at twilight;
We are as dead men in desolate places.
11 We all growl like bears,
And moan sadly like doves;
We look for justice, but there is none;
For salvation, but it is far from us.
12 For our transgressions are multiplied before You,
And our sins testify against us;
For our transgressions are with us,
And as for our iniquities, we know them:
13 In transgressing and lying against the Lord,
And departing from our God,
Speaking oppression and revolt,
Conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
14 Justice is turned back,
And righteousness stands afar off;
For truth is fallen in the street,
And equity cannot enter.
15 So truth fails,
And he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.


~~~~~the answer~~~


Then the Lord saw it, and it displeased Him
That there was no justice.
16 He saw that there was no husbandman*** [Ish],
And wondered that there was no intercessor;
Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him;
And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.
17 For He put on righteousness as a breastplate,
And a helmet of salvation on His head;

{Knsman garments to avenge His brethren, in}

He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
And was clad with zeal as a cloak.
18 According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay,
Fury to His adversaries,
Recompense to His enemies;
The coastlands He will fully repay.
19 So shall they fear
The name of the Lord from the west,
And His glory from the rising of the sun;
When the enemy comes in like a flood,
The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him.

20 "The Redeemer will come to Zion,
And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,"
Says the Lord.


Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

He did not cease being YHWH in the second Person when He came to indwell the new, created [prepared, formed in the womb body] of Second Man flesh, but He became dual in nature when He donned the garments of Kinsman to "bring many sons to glory"

 

[foundinHim]

Jesus Christ is dual natured since He, YHWH of hosts in the second Person, called the Word of God, donned a brand New human nature of the second creation.

He is dual in nature, being both YHWH and MAN -New, Second created Man.
The Man died for our sins and rose again from the dead. God did not die, the Word did not die.
The Word did not cease being YHWH in the second Person when He donned the nature of the second Man creation.

And I am dual natured -as Paul admitted to being- since I have been born again of the New Man's Living Spirit and I am still in my Adam nature body of death. I choose to walk in the "Spirit Man", called Christ, and not in the carnal man, called Adam.
He chose to walk in the New Man and not in YHWH/Spirit when He descended to be our Kinsman/Redeemer -and yes, He had the ability to sin, that is why He was tempted, but He chose to not sin, He didn't want to sin, as Adam did, and He wanted to do the Father's will -as a human Son of God.

Is there any one else that posts here that agrees that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ could sin? Or that Christ is the 'Second CREATED Man' or 'the Spirit Man'??? Or that God the Son is 'dual natured'???

 

[timlamb]

Is there any one else that posts here that agrees that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ could sin? Or that Christ is the 'Second CREATED Man' or 'the Spirit Man'??? Or that God the Son is 'dual natured'???

I detest this argement. This is one of those things that should only be discussed between close friends who can accept the fact that this knowledge is not needed for salvation. FoundinHim, Rather than asking us to choose sides, please give us your opinion, PLEASE. Yeshuasavedme, please respect FoundinHim's opinion as she, like us all, can only guess at the true character of God, and struggle with understanding Jesus as God/Man, just as we struggle with the concept of the trinity. It is beyond us to explain what is truly beyond our mortal abilities.

IMO, Jesus was not "created" like Adam, but neither was He concieved like mortal man. I further think there is something wrong with our definition of temptation. While the scriptures say Jesus was tempted, I don't believe He could ever concider sinning. Can you be tempted by having the sin made appealing and yet never have a desire for it?

And yet, if Jesus was not suceptable to the weakness of man, was He a suitable replacement? Can righteousness stand in for unrighteousness? Obviously, because we know as God He is righteous. Can perfect will substitute for lustful flesh?

Let us not proclaim ourselves all knowing above another in such matters as can only be speculated upon.

I'll bet I didn't make a friend on either side of this issue, but I spoke my mind and called for peace.

We have the option and opportunity for unity, Unity in Christ.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I detest this argement. This is one of those things that should only be discussed between close friends who can accept the fact that this knowledge is not needed for salvation. FoundinHim, Rather than asking us to choose sides, please give us your opinion, PLEASE. Yeshuasavedme, please respect FoundinHim's opinion as she, like us all, can only guess at the true character of God, and struggle with understanding Jesus as God/Man, just as we struggle with the concept of the trinity. It is beyond us to explain what is truly beyond our mortal abilities.

IMO, Jesus was not "created" like Adam, but neither was He concieved like mortal man. I further think there is something wrong with our definition of temptation. While the scriptures say Jesus was tempted, I don't believe He could ever concider sinning. Can you be tempted by having the sin made appealing and yet never have a desire for it?

And yet, if Jesus was not suceptable to the weakness of man, was He a suitable replacement? Can righteousness stand in for unrighteousness? Obviously, because we know as God He is righteous. Can perfect will substitute for lustful flesh?

Let us not proclaim ourselves all knowing above another in such matters as can only be speculated upon.

I'll bet I didn't make a friend on either side of this issue, but I spoke my mind and called for peace.

We have the option and opportunity for unity, Unity in Christ.

Jesus Christ was not created, I never said He was, as the Living Spirit, second Person in YHWH. Scripture says He has no beginning of days, no Father, no Genealogy, when showing Melche kiing of righteousness was "morphed" as a type of the Son of God.

I said the body of second Man is a New Creation. The Living Spirit is eternal; which is come to indwell that Second Creation, only brother to Adam, the Kinsman, to Adam, in human flesh of a second Creation.
The body of Adam was prepared, formed, created, from the elements of this present creation, which elements were all cursed when the king of it fell.

The New Creation Man is born "of a woman", a daughter of Adam, but the body prepared in her womb for the coming in flesh of the Living Spirit was not from the cursed elements of this cursed creation, but was the New Man, the New Thing in the earth, when a "Woman [Zion above] compassed a Man".
As brother to Adam, He has the legal right to ransom all His human brother's kin and kingdom, "marry" the barren widow, and raise up the seed to their inheritance.

YHWH put on a garment of human flesh -which is the New Man nature He donned for avenging His kin and bringing many sons to glory.

 

[foundinHim]

I detest this argement. This is one of those things that should only be discussed between close friends who can accept the fact that this knowledge is not needed for salvation. FoundinHim, Rather than asking us to choose sides, please give us your opinion, PLEASE. Yeshuasavedme, please respect FoundinHim's opinion as she, like us all, can only guess at the true character of God, and struggle with understanding Jesus as God/Man, just as we struggle with the concept of the trinity. It is beyond us to explain what is truly beyond our mortal abilities.

IMO, Jesus was not "created" like Adam, but neither was He concieved like mortal man. I further think there is something wrong with our definition of temptation. While the scriptures say Jesus was tempted, I don't believe He could ever concider sinning. Can you be tempted by having the sin made appealing and yet never have a desire for it?

And yet, if Jesus was not suceptable to the weakness of man, was He a suitable replacement? Can righteousness stand in for unrighteousness? Obviously, because we know as God He is righteous. Can perfect will substitute for lustful flesh?

Let us not proclaim ourselves all knowing above another in such matters as can only be speculated upon.

I'll bet I didn't make a friend on either side of this issue, but I spoke my mind and called for peace.

We have the option and opportunity for unity, Unity in Christ.

Thanks for responding timlamb. I am not seeking to argue with any one on this...and at the same time, I do not agree that this should only be discussed by close friends.

This is a Christian forum, is it not?

If we cannot agree on a most important basic doctrine...the Deity of Christ Jesus, then we cannot discuss anything else that is written in "the holy Scriptures"!!! And you say that this issue has nothing to do with salvation...?! Christ Jesus = God Incarnate---He is our Saviour...need I say more?

I will not compromise "truth" for the sake of unity.

 

[foundinHim]

Jesus Christ is dual natured since He, YHWH of hosts in the second Person, called the Word of God, donned a brand New human nature of the second creation.

He is dual in nature, being both YHWH and MAN -New, Second created Man.
The Man died for our sins and rose again from the dead. God did not die, the Word did not die.
The Word did not cease being YHWH in the second Person when He donned the nature of the second Man creation.

And I am dual natured -as Paul admitted to being- since I have been born again of the New Man's Living Spirit and I am still in my Adam nature body of death. I choose to walk in the "Spirit Man", called Christ, and not in the carnal man, called Adam.
He chose to walk in the New Man and not in YHWH/Spirit when He descended to be our Kinsman/Redeemer -and yes, He had the ability to sin, that is why He was tempted, but He chose to not sin, He didn't want to sin, as Adam did, and He wanted to do the Father's will -as a human Son of God.

Here is proof ---'Second created Man'

Now this kind of posting belongs in the unorthodox forum!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Here is proof ---'Second created Man'

Now this kind of posting belongs in the unorthodox forum!

I'm glad that the title of this thread is "back to basics", for this is basic, beginning in Genesis; and has to do with the fall of Adam and his subesequent inability to bring forth the godly seed which YHWH sought, as His human house for His glory to indwell, to have dominion over this earth as his kingdom, under YHWH, which in it's perfection was the kingdom given to Adam, when he made Adam "one spirit", "male and female"; the "husbandman [[SIZE=-1]Iysh] [/SIZE]and Woman [SIZE=-1][ishshah[/SIZE]] -" to be the father and the mother of the living, godly seed, who were to come forth from the loins of [SIZE=-1]Iysh.

[/SIZE]Because [SIZE=-1]Adam, the first "Iysh" is a "dead" spirit, since the fall, [/SIZE]the multiplied seed all came forth dead, which the "[SIZE=-1]ishshah[/SIZE]" was to mother, as "Eve" -"mother of [all] living" who were yet seed in the loins of the [SIZE=-1]first "Iysh"[/SIZE], to come forth as godly seed when the [SIZE=-1]"Iysh"[/SIZE]called her, "[SIZE=-1]ishshah[/SIZE]".

The godly seed all died in Adam, as godly seed, in the fall of our first father -but we still multiplied in our state of death, for the purpose of the Creator is that we will be made sons of God in the New Man and inherit the kingdom in Him [in the regeneration of it].
-So Adam, the [SIZE=-1]"Iysh"[/SIZE] "died" "in spirit", and [SIZE=-1]"ishshah" is a "barren widow" with no living seed. [and is not Eve] -But the Kinsman [the human brother, the next of kin to Adam and the only kin] is come to do the part of Kinsman; with the will and the power to perform the redemption and raise up the seed to their inheritance.
Read Ruth to get a feel for the duty of Kinsman/Redeemer, then read Ecclestiastes 8:8 and Haggai chapter 2. -There was no "Adam" person who had the power of Life to give as a ransom for his brother -much less for Himself! -but Jesus had Life in Himself as the Word come in flesh, as Son of Man/Son of God , for He is "Life" Himself -[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]which Life in himself Adam,t he living soul, never had.[/SIZE]
Zion above, the Woman who is the mother of us all, is the "[SIZE=-1]ishshah" who is "one Spirit with the New [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Iysh", who is YHWH, second Person, come in a human body prepared in the womb of the virgin -all legalities are covered that He may inherit the kingdom which He came as brother to "Adam" the first [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]"Iysh"[/SIZE] , of earth,[SIZE=-1] to ransom, and to "marry"[/SIZE] the "barren" widow and raise up the multiplied seed to be godly =sons of God, in His New "Man" name, as the Last Adam -by adoption into His Living Spirit.

Check out the Hebrew original words for the doctrine of Christ as Husbandman of earth, the Firstborn, chosen, elect Son of Man/Son of God, who is come as YHWH in human flesh as Kinsman -brother to Adam- and therefore legal Redeemer- to raise up the seed to their inheritance.

Scripture:
YHWH put on garments to be "husbandman"[SIZE=-1]"Iysh"[/SIZE] of earth:
Isaiah 59.

The "garments of vengeance "is the human nature -complete, in body and "soul", of " Kinsman", a full human being body [the Perfect Lamb body] which was prepared; formed; created; made; in the womb of the virgin for His habitation to be the Redeemer, the Lamb of God slain from the beginning of the world for the Atonement of all in Adam -for "whosoever" will come.
.

Hbr 10:5¶Wherefore when he cometh into the world,he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
The perfect body which was "fitted out to be Lamb, was made in the womb and He Himself, took up habitation in it. That body was the First Made human body since Adam, of human nature, and is called the New Creation, second Man, Last Adam.

But God could have made sons to Abraham from stones, Jesus said. God does not need to have material to work with to create a "New Thing", and the second Man body is the New Man body which we of Adam get to also inherit one like, in the regeneration of ours.


Gen 2:21,2

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from Adam , made he a woman [[SIZE=-1]'ishshah[/SIZE]] , and brought her unto Adam.

Gen 2:23
And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called [SIZE=-1]"[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]'ishshah[/SIZE]][SIZE=-1]"[/SIZE] , because she was taken out of Man [[SIZE=-1]'Iysh][/SIZE].
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Gen 5:2
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Mal 2:15
And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed [sons of God].."
Adam was son of God, created as husbandman [[SIZE=-1]Iysh] [/SIZE] of this earth, for bringing forth the godly seed by multiplication of the seed in His loins, as the fruit of earth for the Father's glory to indwell, as His human sons, which makes "a house", "a temple" of the sons for the Father to dwell in. God does not dwell in temples made with hands, but in sons He made for His glory.

Isa 59:14
And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.Yea, truth faileth; and he [that] departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw [it], and it displeased him that [there was] no judgment.
And he saw that [there was] no[SIZE=-1] 'iysh[/SIZE]*** [husbandman], and wondered that [there was] no intercessor [paga***]: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

[paga***
1) to encounter, meet, reach, entreat, make intercession
....5) to reach the mark"

Isa 59:17
For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance [for] clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.According to [their] deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.And the Redeemer [ga'al***] shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

Redeemer is Kinsman;
1) to redeem, act as kinsman-redeemer, avenge, revenge, ransom, do the part of a kinsman
a) (Qal)
1) to act as kinsman, do the part of next of kin, act as kinsman-redeemer
a) by marrying brother's widow to beget a child for him, to redeem from slavery, to redeem land, to exact vengeance
2) to redeem (by payment)
3) to redeem (with God as subject)
a) individuals from death
...

And He is returning in the same body, still clothed in it, in which He died as our Redeemer to ransom us from death and is coming to avenge His own on the wicked and restore the kingdom -but there's a lot in 'tween to come, still.

Rev 19:11¶And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written [which is YHWH***], that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13
And he [was] clothed [the New Man body]with a vesture dipped [Baptized] in blood [death]: and his name is called The Word of God.
YHWH is Husbandman of earth, in a brother to Adam human second Man creation nature, and He is come to bring the fruit of earth the Father seeks, "to glory".

We were without hope, in Adam:
Ecc 8:8
[There is] no Adam*** that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither [hath he] power in the day of death: and [there is] no discharge in [that] war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Found in Him,
I hope you have enjoyed the Scriptures I listed showing Jesus' human being body He [YHWH in the second Person, called the Word of God] is wearing is the second creation human being, the YHWH from heaven in New Man flesh, come to be our Kinsman/Redeemer.

If you have any doubts that the Scriptures mean what I have shown, above, then see that Paul fully understands that there are only two human being natures created by the Father: the first human being, Adam, made a living soul in human flesh; and the second human being, the LORD from heaven, the Living Spirit come to dwell in the second creation human flesh.

God made two human beings, brothers: one brother was made a living soul, in human flesh: the other brother is "The eternal, everlasting, self existing Living Spirit come "in human flesh": both human being bodies are created: both bodies are the clothes the full human being nature is "wearing" -which we call "inhabiting our dwelling".


1Cr 15:47
The protos [first] anthropos***[human being] [is] of the earth, earthy: the deuteros [second] anthropos***[human being] [is] the Lord from heaven.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1163302288-9935.html#47

protos 1) first in time or place
a) in any succession of things or persons
2) first in rank
a) influence, honour
b) chief

c) principal
3) first, at the first
anthropos -human being
is of the earth, earthy

deuteros 1) the second, the other of two

-human being
is the LORD from heaven.

anthropos {anth'-ro-pos}1) a human being, whether male or female
a) generically, to include all human individuals
b) to distinguish man from beings of a different order&#8230;

 

[timlamb]

Thanks for responding timlamb. I am not seeking to argue with any one on this...and at the same time, I do not agree that this should only be discussed by close friends.

This is a Christian forum, is it not?

If we cannot agree on a most important basic doctrine...the Deity of Christ Jesus, then we cannot discuss anything else that is written in "the holy Scriptures"!!! And you say that this issue has nothing to do with salvation...?! Christ Jesus = God Incarnate---He is our Saviour...need I say more?

I will not compromise "truth" for the sake of unity.

I never found Christs diety in question, only the nature of His earthly form. Nothing we need to understand for salvation. I have been in these discussions before and someone always accuses the other of herisy or blasphemy, no win situation.

I'm just glad we are talking finally. Lets haves some dialoge and raise knowledge instead of tempers.