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This question really isn't for me (I'm married), but on behalf of a single relative. How likely is it for a couple to achieve a good, peaceful marriage if they bring in children from previous relationships?

My brother is what I consider a strong Christian, and he is pursuing a biblical courtship with a Christian girl. They are both young (early twenties) and had rough pasts, but are committed to Christian lifestyles now. My brother has no children, but the girl has a two-year-old boy. She is the primary caretaker, though the father is involved too. He is remarried with other children already. My brother gets along fine with the little boy, though he has no major role in his life at this point. He's rather indifferent about children - treats them well, but doesn't particularly like or dislike them, and definitely has no experience with them.

Do you think it would be difficult to start off a marriage with a two-year-old in the household? Is it hard to parent or agree on parenting decisions when you're not the legal parent? Will the differing value system of the other home compromise the parenting of this child, or any future children they have together? Does the transition happen naturally at this child's age (under these circumstances), as far as a parent-stepchild bond, or not really? And how does a person cope peacefully with their spouse's co-parenting arrangement?
 

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This question really isn't for me (I'm married), but on behalf of a single relative. How likely is it for a couple to achieve a good, peaceful marriage if they bring in children from previous relationships?

My brother is what I consider a strong Christian, and he is pursuing a biblical courtship with a Christian girl. They are both young (early twenties) and had rough pasts, but are committed to Christian lifestyles now. My brother has no children, but the girl has a two-year-old boy. She is the primary caretaker, though the father is involved too. He is remarried with other children already. My brother gets along fine with the little boy, though he has no major role in his life at this point. He's rather indifferent about children - treats them well, but doesn't particularly like or dislike them, and definitely has no experience with them.

Do you think it would be difficult to start off a marriage with a two-year-old in the household? Is it hard to parent or agree on parenting decisions when you're not the legal parent? Will the differing value system of the other home compromise the parenting of this child, or any future children they have together? Does the transition happen naturally at this child's age (under these circumstances), as far as a parent-stepchild bond, or not really? And how does a person cope peacefully with their spouse's co-parenting arrangement?


My wife became an automatic step mom almost 4 years ago when we got married. She had no children from her previous marriage, but I brought in 5 children from ages 12 all the way to down to 4 years old.

There was an adjustment period for my kids, but they took well to her and younger two(ages 4 and 6 at the time) both wanted to call her mom after only 6 months or so, but she told them they had a mom and they should call her mom. She loves them like a mother though and they still like to cuddle up with her on the couch to watch shows.

My older 3 also have a good relationship with her, and my son who is now 16 feels that he has grown closer to my wife(his step mom) over the last 4 years than his own mother(who has a lot of issues).

I think the key is that I was clear with her when we were first married that we would parent them together. She and I talk about how we will handle things with the kids and what the rules will be in our home, despite the rule differences in their mom's home.

She can equally discipline the kids the same as I can(and actually she is stricter in many ways than I am, especially with school which has been a good thing).

Its not to say its has all been smooth sailing, as she is not as patient as me and she sometimes does not understand sometimes kids and teens just do things because they are kids and teens. I sometimes have to step in and talk to her privately telling her I think she is being too hard.

I also have told her on multiple occasions that my kids lived in another home for anywhere from 4 to 10 years before her, and she can't change everything, she has to move slowly and have understanding.

But overall I think we have done well with the whole step parent thing, even with the challenges it brings.
 
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That's not really the same situation as my brother is facing. Neither of them have prior marriages, just prior relationships and one child. I know and he knows that there will probably be challenges, so I guess I'm asking what, specifically, those challenges are and how they impact the marriage.
 
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This question really isn't for me (I'm married), but on behalf of a single relative. How likely is it for a couple to achieve a good, peaceful marriage if they bring in children from previous relationships?

It depends on the couple and how they relate to each other with this dynamic. People like my father, who married my mother who had a child with another man before they met, jump into it swimmingly and have no problems on that front. Others, there are adjustments.

My brother is what I consider a strong Christian, and he is pursuing a biblical courtship with a Christian girl. They are both young (early twenties) and had rough pasts, but are committed to Christian lifestyles now. My brother has no children, but the girl has a two-year-old boy. She is the primary caretaker, though the father is involved too. He is remarried with other children already. My brother gets along fine with the little boy, though he has no major role in his life at this point. He's rather indifferent about children - treats them well, but doesn't particularly like or dislike them, and definitely has no experience with them.
The thing that sticks out to me here is indifference towards the child. When you date somebody with kids where you think there's a future, you can't really be indifferent towards them. You're entering into a relationship with them too, not just the parent. If you're not feeling any affection towards them, or something stronger than indifference, that's going to be a huge stumbling block or issue later.

Now maybe they're not at the point where a relationship with the child is really involved, or they haven't met yet, or maybe things need to get more serious... That I get. But at some point before they start talking commitment, you've got to get involved with the child, if anything so you can see how the dynamic of insta-parent works for you.

Do you think it would be difficult to start off a marriage with a two-year-old in the household?
Starting a marriage is difficult anyway. This can potentially make it moreso. That's why before one gets to a point where they're talking about marriage, you've got to be involved with the child.

Is it hard to parent or agree on parenting decisions when you're not the legal parent?
When you marry somebody with kids, you're not just marrying the parent, you're marrying the child too. To a degree, you're also marrying the ex. A lot of what you do will involve considering/working with the ex, and all of it will involve working with the child.

Is it hard to make parenting decisions when you're not the birth parent regarding your spouse's child? It's as hard as it would be with a child you share... For us, it's not really a big deal. If you have a healthy relationship with each other, then it's not a big deal at all.

Is it hard to make parenting decisions when you're not the birth parent regarding your spouse's child with the child's other parent? Potentially, yes, it's insanely difficult. It all depends on the type of person your spouse's ex is, how they view you, how you interact with them, how they interact with your spouse, how involved are they with the child, etc etc.

For example, my sister lived hundreds of miles from her Dad. He was not exactly passive, but not the most active father either. She'd visit once a year, no holidays, but could call him (and he'd call) whenever. The only conflict my father ever had with raising my sister was when her father would make arraignments to see her. Obviously, they'd see each other in the summer, when she didn't have school, but her Dad wanted her for a majority of the summer, whereas my Dad resented that he just waltzed in once a year, picked dates, and expected everybody to adhere to them, especially as those dates meant that she was gone for most of the summer. Since my Dad took vacations in the summer as well, it meant not seeing her at all during his vacations, during summer trips, etc. He felt since he didn't pay child support (and actually because he was broke, we paid for my sister to go and sent money for her care) and wasn't all that involved with her, that he couldn't make those demands. My mother was the great mediator and would inevitably talk her father down to a month with my sister, a month with us, and my father into understanding why the split time is so important. One conflict, that was it, per year. The only other conflict I remember was my Dad didn't want to co-walk my sister down the aisle. He never told her that, but it did really, really bother him as he did a majority of the raising of her. But other than that, my father accepted he was a father of hers as much as her biological Dad was, and her biological Dad accepted the same about my Dad. They were of equal authority.

Then there's my situation, where we share custody with the child's mother and we have to see her all the time. She even works with my husband. We see the kids 3-4 days a week and overnights, and they're very much a part of our household. She is a generally disagreeable person who likes to wrap up her wants with that of the kids and use them to try and guilt us into getting what she wants. For example, when it comes to setting the schedule of when they'll come over, she'll send a text that it'll be this date, time, this date, this time, and this date, this time. When we say that one of those dates don't work for us, immediately she'll say those are the only dates that work for her, nothing else will work, it has to be those dates and times. If we're firm again and say no, that won't work, then she'll accuse my husband of abandoning the kids, not treating them like a priority, being selfish, etc etc. When even that doesn't work (because inevitably the issue is she wants us to take them one day, we suggest another, not that we're just not seeing the kids), then comes the story about how we need to take them that day because, she can't find a sitter, she needs to work, if we don't, we're taking food out of the kid's mouths, she can't afford to get them nice things, need to pay her more child support to offset her loss of income, etc etc. Probably in there she'll work in a jab about "it must be so nice to have time that you can do the things you want, I never get time to myself because I have to work all the time" or "it must be nice to go on trips because I'm too poor to afford to do nice things like that for our boys" despite the fact that she works about 20 hours a week and my husband works 2 jobs at 60 hours per week and I work 2 jobs at 40-50 hours a week... And she's going to Disney for 10 days in a week with the kids and she bought them Kindle Fire's for Christmas (they're 4 and 6). When we point out how much we work vs her and how the kids are still getting nice things, and that she gets two entire overnights per week with no kids whereas we never have overnights without any children, she says that her schedule is none of our business and she doesn't care about what we're doing. And on and on it goes until she cusses us out and we go with a medium of her schedule and ours, with the threat that "next time" she'll not compromise, take us to court, demand more money, etc etc.

And that's pretty much how setting the schedule to see the kids plays out for us. Every. Single. Month. And while I'm an equal parent to the kids by my husband's treatment of me, I'm not by her. If we can't take the kids because I have something going on, she "doesn't give a *%$" about my schedule, the kids are between her and my husband. I made a photobook for one of my stepsons, she threw it away. Just this weekend at a work party, the kids came over gave me hugs, and sat near us to eat dinner, and she responded by being thoroughly nasty to me, gossiping about my weight within earshot, and otherwise being completely rude. Though when the kids were sick and needed to be picked up from school, she just couldn't miss work, but asked my husband to send me to get them and asked why I couldn't call out.

As one can guess, that gets exhausting for us. At first, my husband used to get these tantrums for her and come back to me and ask if I could change my schedule so that we could go with hers and skip the fight. Then that lead to issues as I was starting to feel like every month, I'd set my schedule, but I'd have to undo it to accommodate hers. I felt like the priority in our relationship when it came to allotting time was his job took priority, her wants/job schedule took second priority, and then I was left to piece together the rest of it after she had her say. But good communication, me coming to him and saying that it's not right I'm changing my vacation dates to accommodate his ex-wife's work schedule, and him taking a stand and being strong in her behavior... The problem for us was over.

You can see in the latter situation with us, it's very different than the first situation with my father to be a step parent. My Dad was regarded a full equal by all parties, I'm not. The relationship he had was cordial, ours is adversarial. That plays a huge role in if this kind of dynamic works. There were plenty of times where the stress that was caused specifically by her was so much that we both questioned the relationship and if it was worth it. But once we made that jump, we took the him and I as a team mentality and we fight it out to make sure we see the kids, but also so she doesn't act like proxy wife who rules our household.

Will the differing value system of the other home compromise the parenting of this child, or any future children they have together?
It will only if the other parent allows it to be, or you allow it to be. Be prepared to hear "well at my other house, I can do X" or "my Dad/Mom lets me do Y" as a response to being told no... And it may be true or not. If you have solid, consistent rules at your house, where they know what to expect, even if it's different from the other household, you'll still hear it, but it won't be a huge drama. It was never an issue for my sister, and it's rarely an issue for us. And the children act very, very differently for us than the do for her.

Will it impact the children they have together? If the other kids have the same rules as their joint child, then no, not really. The conduct of the other household won't impact them that much at all. If they have different rules, then yes, there will be issues. A biological child will resent you if you're more lenient with the stepkids, the stepkids will resent you if they perceive you're more lenient with the biological child. So equal treatment is a must. The rules the biological kid follow full time have to be the same that the steps follow part time, without exception.

The only thing that rubs off is that the kids, especially the oldest, act differently with her than us, and he tries a lot of stuff with us that he gets away with in her house. So, for example, if he's sent to time out, he used to sack the place, throw stuff, scream and shriek, etc etc. The youngest (ours) started copying this. Since it's unacceptable behavior, neither are allowed to get away with it, but because the oldest does it and gets a reaction with Mom, he tries it here, and those attempts get repeated with us. Now he doesn't do it with us at all, but with her, he still does it all the time.

Does the transition happen naturally at this child's age (under these circumstances), as far as a parent-stepchild bond, or not really?
Yes and no. It all depends. It depends on the step, it depends on the adult. But either way, natural or not, it's something that one has to work at maintaining, building and growing it. I'd say a degree of it is natural, but to cultivate it to a point of parent/child, that part takes work. If there's no natural bond, trying to make one will be hard.

And how does a person cope peacefully with their spouse's co-parenting arrangement?
See above.

Sometimes the only peace the situation affords is knowing there never will be peace, but knowing that you guys are still operating in the lack of peace as a unit.

Does that mean when it's time to decide our schedule I don't get a pit in my stomach when I hear he gets a text and know it's her "round 1" of an argument? No... But it means that I know my husband won't give the inch that leads to the mile that causes us to ask why our time and relationship and when we can be together or do things is dictated by his ex wife's demands. I know he's going to run things by me and we'll talk and compromise first between us, not he'll compromise with her and try to explain it to me.
 
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This question really isn't for me (I'm married), but on behalf of a single relative. How likely is it for a couple to achieve a good, peaceful marriage if they bring in children from previous relationships?
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[FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It depends on a lot of factors. Will there be custody/visitation/ex-spouse drama involved? If so, that's a big strike against you from the get-go. Are the kids toddlers? Teenagers? Obviously, the younger the kids are when the new parent comes along, the better they'll be able to bond; coming in when the kids are teens can be extremely bumpy. Are all the parents involved (including the ex's) on the same page about visitations, house rules, disciplines, etc? If not, that's another strike against you. [/FONT][/FONT]

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My brother is what I consider a strong Christian, and he is pursuing a biblical courtship with a Christian girl. They are both young (early twenties) and had rough pasts, but are committed to Christian lifestyles now. My brother has no children, but the girl has a two-year-old boy. She is the primary caretaker, though the father is involved too. He is remarried with other children already. My brother gets along fine with the little boy, though he has no major role in his life at this point. He's rather indifferent about children - treats them well, but doesn't particularly like or dislike them, and definitely has no experience with them.
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[FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This concerns me. Not only would this child be growing up with two separate families and households, but your brother is "indifferent" to children. That's a big, big, BIG "NO" to this relationship in my book. A man who doesn't have an affection for children, an understanding of how to interact with them and care for them, is not going to be a good stepparent IMHO. He's going to be walking into a situation that tries even the most mature, grounded, loving people (a blended family), and if he doesn't already have an affection for that child, he's going to wind up resenting the challenges that he'll be facing. He'll be expected to become a leader, teacher, caretaker, playmate, guide, mentor... with a child who will not only give hugs and kisses, but temper tantrums, backtalking, running to Mom, etc. I would AT LEAST suggest parenting classes for him, if and when they were to talk about marriage. [/FONT]

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Do you think it would be difficult to start off a marriage with a two-year-old in the household?
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Is it hard to parent or agree on parenting decisions when you're not the legal parent?
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[FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sometimes. A lot of this will depend on how well the couple (mother and stepfather) work together as a team in general. It is very, very easy for a child to tear a mother and stepfather apart, when the stepdad tries to discipline, the child runs crying to his mom, and her maternal instincts will be to soothe and comfort and protect the child, not to put her foot down and back up her new husband. He'll become resentful of both mother and child, and you've set the stage for some very serious challenges. [/FONT]

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Will the differing value system of the other home compromise the parenting of this child, or any future children they have together?
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Does the transition happen naturally at this child's age (under these circumstances), as far as a parent-stepchild bond, or not really?
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[FONT=Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Well, one thing I can say is that it's a LOT easier for the child to bond to the parent at this age, being so young. What's concerning is, will he bond with the child? So far, that's a no, as you say he's indifferent to children and hasn't really interacted much with this little boy (and for the record, at this stage, that's a GOOD thing, you don't drag an innocent child into a dating relationship until you know it's serious and headed towards marriage). Again, I'd recommend parenting classes (or "stepparenting" classes if you can find them), as well as some good Christian stepparenting books. [/FONT]

It's really fun and easy to "play house" with someone who has kids, when you're dating them. You get the fun, the playtime, the laughter. You don't get the challenges that will come when you actually move in, begin asserting authority, and start sleeping in Mom's bed. EVERYTHING changes at that point, and you need to be ready for it. If you aren't, it'll slap you upside the head.

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And how does a person cope peacefully with their spouse's co-parenting arrangement?
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Sorry to be redundant, but again, it depends on the ex-spouse and their situation. Is the other family open, easy to get along with, helpful, kind, non-judgemental? Or are they antagonistic, manipulative, full of drama?

I've dated someone who had kids from a previous marriage. I also married my husband when my son was 11 years old. We've been through the ringer, believe you me, and sometimes still run into bumps in the road :) I would GLADLY spare other people the hard lessons we had to learn. Looking back, we had no idea of the difficulties ahead of us, and we've had to crawl tooth and nail through it. [/FONT]
 
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So what I am hearing is that co-parenting works best with large blocks of time, rather than a lot of small blocks of time? I can see how the limited back-and-forth could reduce drama. I can't imagine having to constantly renegotiate the schedule; I thought the court figured that out in the beginning, and parents just made that arrangement work.

I'm also hearing that my brother probably won't be a good stepdad if he has no experience with children. I kind of figured that. I had too many peers that resented their stepparents. And I don't want my brother to grow to hate his marriage because he can't stand the child or possible ex drama. (I don't anything about the ex, but I suspect that if he were agreeable and they were able to work things out easily, they would have just stayed together!)

I guess at first I was just thinking that he could step in and be a dad, since the child was so young, but now that it is clear the father wants to keep that role, I just don't know what the prospects for that marriage would be. Thanks for your insights; it's pretty much what I expected, but I thought I'd poll the forum.
 
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That's not really the same situation as my brother is facing. Neither of them have prior marriages, just prior relationships and one child. I know and he knows that there will probably be challenges, so I guess I'm asking what, specifically, those challenges are and how they impact the marriage.

Time alone or bonding with the other person's children rather than just thrown into it. My wife had a goal...try to be their friend rather than fit in and now mine love her and we have one of our own,the blend is all about feeling comfort,acceptance and leaving any negative things about their birth mother out of it. She has done amazing there and my ex wife loves my new wife...it's a very good relationship as I accept and truly like her new husband. It can work but spouses brought into homes with kids need to establish the personal relationship with the kids almost separate from a 'unit" Read Not Far From The Tree/
 
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Yeah, I think some people would be better step-parents than others due to a lot of the factors discussed.

Like - I think I would have been a miserable step-parent had I come into a relationship with someone that had kids and I didn't have any. Prior to having my own children - I had zero experience with them and to a degree I'd say that I was indifferent to them as well. I didn't dislike them - but I wasn't one of those people that loved children either. Prior to holding my own daughter - I'd never held a baby (and I was 41 when I had my daughter.) I was the youngest in my family, by far.

After having my own children - I'm far more comfortable with kids and maybe (say I was single) I think that I could be a good step. But - say that I had never had that interim step of having my own kids and going through the parenting process - I don't think launching into "step-parent" status would've been a great idea. I'd have looked at the kid as "not my own" - and just tried to be chummy with them - leaving any real parenting duties to the mother.
 
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I think it's important to be honest about who/how you are. No need trying to fit a square peg into a round hole or think "maybe I'll try being something else" when there are other people/kids involved. Not really doing anyone any favors with that, IMHO.
 
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As I said above, I dated a man who had three kids when I was still pretty young myself (19-21). They were 3, 5, and 7 years old. Of course, they were tons of fun to play with, and they latched onto me quickly. But when it came time for discipline and the not-so-fun stuff, I was totally out of my element. I'd never really had experience with little kids, and I was barely an adult myself. So I always defaulted to him, and often, he would default back to his ex, or to his mother; it was just sad. There was no way I could have married him and handled those three kids on a regular basis. What did I know? I was stupid and in love and stubborn as a mule.

I had to learn quick when I got pregnant at 22. I knew NOTHING about babies. I didn't like babies. I didn't want babies. I took a 9 month crash course in pregnancy, labor, birth, and newborns, and I learned fast lol.
 
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lol - for me - I had never touched a baby/had no idea what to do with them/etc. I just knew you were supposed to cradle their heads and change them.

So - when my wife gave birth (had a c-section so the first few days were on me to take care of her) - I just wheeled the kid down to the nursery after she'd pooped the first time with me, asked the nurse "show me how you do it" - and was off to the races.

Was kinda nice though - in a way - because it was a really good bonding time for the first few days. Seemed a little backwards that when my wife was more mobile - it was me showing her how to change a diaper. lol
 
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Our daughter has always been a total "daddy's girl" - and I've always wondered if it was because of those initial few days of bonding.

The boy, on the other hand, is expressing a total preference for momma. lol
 
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Yup, I had never changed a diaper, I don't think I'd ever held a newborn, never fed with a bottle, NOTHING. I learned as much as I could through books, magazines, articles, and videos, but nothing teaches you like actually getting that baby into your own hands and doing it yourself. I had a visiting nurse come to my house a few days later to check on us (really nice hospital policy for all new moms) and she said "Wow, you look like you're already an old hand at this". I guess I was! It was sink or swim, and I wasn't about to sink with my lil boy :) I know a lot of new moms have tons of relatives and friends swarming them as soon as they get home from the hospital, but not me. I locked myself in my room with my baby and we got acquainted with each other. It was days before I even let anyone else hold him lol.
 
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Truthfully, it really isn't all that hard. Really it is trial and error. My wife and I did all the classes, etc...but really...nothing beats just having the kid in your hands.

Another thing that I learned was how much un-necessary stuff you buy the first time around. Our boy has a much more Spartan existence than our daughter did... We purged a huge amount of stuff prior to his birth (cribs/this/that/etc) and just kept what we knew we'd use.

Feel sorry for the kid on a few levels though - since he's been trolling around in a pink car seat...but...what can ya do? lol I ain't spending another $300 simply because it's a boy. His masculinity should be fine. haha
 
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Truthfully, it really isn't all that hard. Really it is trial and error. My wife and I did all the classes, etc...but really...nothing beats just having the kid in your hands.

Another thing that I learned was how much un-necessary stuff you buy the first time around. Our boy has a much more Spartan existence than our daughter did... We purged a huge amount of stuff prior to his birth (cribs/this/that/etc) and just kept what we knew we'd use.

Feel sorry for the kid on a few levels though - since he's been trolling around in a pink car seat...but...what can ya do? lol I ain't spending another $300 simply because it's a boy. His masculinity should be fine. haha

Haha! Our son's bedroom is still painted pink (we just haven't gotten around to changing the color), but to his credit, he doesn't complain lol. I think we've all gotten so used to it, we don't even notice it anymore, which just prolongs getting it painted.
 
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