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autism

Discussion in 'Autism & Aspergers' started by Streetwise, Aug 1, 2019.

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  1. Streetwise

    Streetwise New Member

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    autism spectrum disorder is not a mental illness it is a developmental disorder it is in the wrong category
     
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    It's a problem, and it's psychological. What more do you need?
     
  3. Streetwise

    Streetwise New Member

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    it's still not a mental illness
     
  4. Streetwise

    Streetwise New Member

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    it's also labeled a problem by people like you
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

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    .......
     
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  6. Streetwise

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    it is not caused by toxicity it is never been proven it cannot be reversed by medicine it is not an illness or disease .
     
  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    You might be right today.

    If you can find the various references from 1940 to 1948 in medical bibliographies or other related, it was different then.
     
  8. ChristianForCats

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    You are the one who needs something: a lesson on what autism spectrum disorders are.
     
  9. ChristianForCats

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    It was never different. There is no maybe. Autism is genetic and can't be acquired by outside forces. Anyone who did not know this for a fact has been hiding under a rock after various studies around the world disproved the possibility of toxins being even one of the causes of autism.
     
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    .....
     
  11. ChristianForCats

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    Huh?
     
  12. Of the Kingdom

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    I would like to help us understand how the terms are used medically and publicly. My understanding is that the term "autism" was coined in the 1940's, and it was initially thought that it was a new condition. I suspect there were earlier sufferers, but they had not been classified beyond "weird" or "disturbed".

    Full-blown autism is a severely debilitating condition. How closely related it is to asbergers and other "spectrum" conditions is not clear to me. Here is from the wikipedia article Autism - Wikipedia. While not authoritative, the article carries no notice of controversy, so it seems a reasonable starting point.

    It seems to me there is still some uncertainty about what full-blown autism is, never mind the spectrum. It appears to be the result of genetic and environmental issues, and is a severe mental disability.

    The "spectrum" article includes full-blown autism in the definition. The link seems to be based mostly on similarity of symptoms, suggesting the possibility of aspergers etc being milder forms.

    I suspect that sufferers of aspergers etc. would be better served if the link with full-blown autism was weakened in the public's minds, and independent research done on the causes of aspergers alone.
     
  13. ChristianForCats

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    Asperger's syndrome is the top end of the autistic specrtum so it is autism. People use that name instead of autism because they don't want the stigma that goes with what you call "full-bown autism" (which isn't a medical term). It is like people with learning disabilities hate the word retarded, even though they often are.
     
  14. BryanJohnMaloney

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    And back in the early 1800s, it was a "mental illness" to want to not be a slave. It was called "drapetomania". Do you REALLY believe that a REAL mental illness existed in the 1800s and no longer exists, even though the desire to not be a slave still exists?
     
  15. BryanJohnMaloney

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    So-called "Asperger's syndrome" is obsolete. It is no longer recognized. It is part of Autism Spectrum Disorder. You are right in that it is nothing but egotism that drives people insisting on that label instead of the correct designation.
     
  16. BryanJohnMaloney

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    The overall condition was described twice at about the same time. Kannert, in the USA, used the term "Austism". Asperger, in Austria, did not give it a specific term, but both described the same condition. In the USA, the emphasis was upon differentiating from schizophrenia. Before Kannert's work, the condition was often called "infantile schizophrenia", even though it is not any sort of schizophrenia from a neurological standpoint. Asperger's emphasis was to try to prevent the Nazis from killing "defective" children, so he emphasized high function.

    There is no such thing as "Asperger's", anymore, not for years. The proper diagnosis is "Autism Spectrum Disorder", and the criteria are thus:

    Diagnostic Criteria for 299.00 Autism Spectrum Disorder
    1. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
      1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
      2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
      3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
    Specify current severity:
    Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior.
    1. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
      1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
      2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
      3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
      4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
    Specify current severity:
    Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior.
    1. Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).
    2. Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.
    3. These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level.
    Note: Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. Individuals who have marked deficits in social communication, but whose symptoms do not otherwise meet criteria for autism spectrum disorder, should be evaluated for social (pragmatic) communication disorder.

    Specify if:
    With or without accompanying intellectual impairment
    With or without accompanying language impairment


    Associated with a known medical or genetic condition or environmental factor
    (Coding note
    : Use additional code to identify the associated medical or genetic condition.)

    Associated with another neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder
    (Coding note: Use additional code to identify the associated neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder.

    With catatonia (refer to the criteria for catatonia associated with another mental disorder)
    (Coding note: Use additional code 293.89 catatonia associated with autism spectrum disorder to indicate the presence of the comorbid catatonia.)

    There is no such thing as "full-blown autism". What licensing board has certified to you go entirely against the DSM5? Wikipedia is a crappy source.

    "Asperger's" is obsolete. The term should be banished.
     
  17. Larnievc

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    Correct.
     
  18. Larnievc

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    Accurate criteria
     
  19. nonaeroterraqueous

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    It is accurate. It is psychological, and it is a disorder. It was put in a broad category for all things psychological and disordered.
     
  20. ChristianForCats

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    No, it is not obsolete, as you can see here with CF posters calling themselve Aspies. Medical professionsls recognize it as an autism spectrum disorder - one of several. Because of this, it is often called ASD.
     
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