authority that "controls"

[blueSKYpilot]

i've been thinking lately.. and ponering on subjects such as this..

and i have a really hard time getting through to many people

i'' try not to ramble on too much, but here's a situtation that needs another looking at..

here's an example:

lets say there's a devout christian teenage guy who really likes a devout christian girl.. only thing is that he is white and she is black

and the girls' parents are racist and tell her that she cant date him

and whenever she hangs out with him her parents get mad at her and judgementally say "okay young lady well what does the bible say about honoring your parents.."

among other stuff like that where evil "authority figures" try and control God's people..

i mean, how do you think that girl feels?

can't people realize that satan uses worldy people to inhibit Christians' freedoms?

also it could be something like.. a guy has a long lost friend who he finds out is just about to die in the hospital.. so he rushes to get there, but gets pulled over for running a red light, and gets his liscence revoked.. while in the mean time, his friend just died.

and now he has to pay a huge fine.. and he's in emotional agony becuase his friend just died.. and has to deal with all these un-empathetic jerks.. and they all make it sound like God was on their side.. when they dont even believe in Him. i really really REALLY hate it when people do that.. sometimes enough where i feel like physically hurting them

people who are all obsessed with human rituals and legality.. absolutely NO empathy whatsoever.. its those "self rightous people" who wont bend an inch for anyone who is in misery

its like the guy who robs a bank.. and then society hates him.. but yet they love the rich guy who hogs his money and has no mercy on anybody..

or possibly the christian teen guy who masturbates.. possibly the Lord may have revealed to him that masturbation without lustful thoughts is not immoral.. but then his non christian mother cathes him and grounds him... from the telephone, etc.. and she grounds him from going to church..

see what i mean?.. is my point making sense here?

i know that i'm rambling off on a tangent here.. but im just trying to make a point

think of some examples where stuff like this could happen..

 

[foadle]

Altimately we need to respect those in aurthority over us 1 Peter 2:13. The only exception to this is those demanding that which is unful by God's laws. The Bible does not say to only submit to them when we think they are being reasonable - it just says to submit. While it may be painful the situations we are in at times we must submit.
When Jesus was crusified I would not say that the Sanhedran or any of the people involved directly or indirectly were in any way sympathetic to him. Yet he still submitted himself to their rule because what they did was not forcing him to break the laws of God. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego did not follow the command of their ruler because it was to force them to break the higher law of God.
Put simply: regardless of whether it is easy or not we are commanded to follow every person in authority over us (parents, teachers, police - and they are not jerks they are just doing what WE pay them to do, governments etc) if what is expected of us is not causing us to break the law of God.

 

[Nazaroo]

i've been thinking lately.. and pondering on subjects such as this..

and i have a really hard time getting through to many people

Ponder this:
At 19 years old, your take on Christianity may seem to suggest it is all about 'freedom', and unfortunately, you have been misled and encouraged in this belief by many who preach a watered-down 'gospel', especially in the USA.

But most mature Christians eventually come to the conclusion that the true Gospel is not about 'liberty' at all really, and that this doctrine, while a blessing, must often be passed by in order to fulfill a far more important doctrine, service in the Lord.

That is, most Christians come to understand that Christianity is all about taking the 'least place', not insisting on one's right to take the 'best place'. Its about walking an extra mile for another in need, not finding the minimum one must do to be 'justified'.

lets say there's a devout christian teenage guy who really likes a devout christian girl.. only thing is that he is white and she is black

and the girls' parents are racist and tell her that she cant date him

and whenever she hangs out with him her parents get mad at her and judgementally say "okay young lady well what does the bible say about honoring your parents.."

among other stuff like that where evil "authority figures" try and control God's people..

i mean, how do you think that girl feels?

can't people realize that satan uses worldy people to inhibit Christians' freedoms?

There are two things horribly wrong with your interpretation of your own story:

(1) You have judged the parents of this girl as "racist" and "evil authority figures". But according to your own story, there is no evidence of this. Instead, they appear to be prudent and 'wise as serpents, yet gentle as doves', as the NT commands.

a) The girl is a devout Christian. This is hardly conceivable without Godly parents who understand both the bible and the world. It seems from your story that these parents are simply ordinary Christians, and there is no counter-evidence in your statements.

b) The parents reprimand the girl in a humane but firm manner. This speaks of fairminded people, not those under control or influence of Satan or an evil spirit. It is YOU who has an 'evil eye'; that is, you see evil where it may not be. If you eye is evil, your whole body is full of darkness. Make sure the light in you is really light, not darkness.

c) The parents quote the bible. This shows they know it well enough and understand it correctly. What do YOU think 'honour you parents' can possibly mean?

d) The girl is apparently obeying her parents. It appears she respects the commandments of the Lord more than you do. She is not being guided by biological urges, but by higher Spiritual principles. Why are you interfering?

e) The most important thing in this situation is not "the girl's feelings", as important as those may be. Christianity is not simply Hedonism, where 'anything goes', and we should just follow our feelings. The emotions are not a reliable guide for moral or ethical decisions. This is a false doctrine, and a mistake that often leads to tragedy or difficulty.

f) The choice to have a mixed marriage is a big decision, which can have many extra problems and burdens, not just for the parents, but also for the children. This will depend upon where these children grow up, or where they may choose to live later in life. At the very least, both these two young people ought to consider the world in which they live, and the cost of their choices for others. In any case, there is no harm in taking a lot of extra time to 'ponder' such huge, life-changing and important decisions in life. They will lose nothing by taking a few months or years to consider all these issues and seek many good Christian counsels besides yours.

also it could be something like.. a guy has a long lost friend who he finds out is just about to die in the hospital.. so he rushes to get there, but gets pulled over for running a red light, and gets his liscence revoked.. while in the mean time, his friend just died.

and now he has to pay a huge fine.. and he's in emotional agony becuase his friend just died.. and has to deal with all these un-empathetic jerks.. and they all make it sound like God was on their side.. when they dont even believe in Him. i really really REALLY hate it when people do that.. sometimes enough where i feel like physically hurting them

If you really are a Christian, then death has no real importance. While you would naturally wish to see your friend off before he embarks on his new life, this is not essential. "Oh death, where is thy sting?" has real meaning for a true Christian.

If you are a true Christian, and your friend had a choice of hanging around in pain waiting for you to arrive, or passing on, you should be the one urging him not to stay and suffer, just for your relatively selfish sentimentalism. After all, you will have eternity together in heaven, so lighten up.

Similarly, although your friend might himself wish to suffer a few extra hours so that you might be able to say 'goodbye', what does that say about your Spiritual development? Do you need to watch someone die? Perhaps whether you admit it or not, there is some selfishness and self-importance in your need to see your friend, and some morbid curiosity about death lurking here also.

In any case, 'running a red light' is hardly a minor traffic offence, and indicates the driver is not in any state to safely operate a motor vehicle. Your driving in a frantic and reckless manner certainly risked the lives of others besides yourself. 90% of serious traffic accidents happen at intersections, because someone has made a severe error in driving just like yours, and thousands are horribly killed or crippled every year by such stupidity. What if you had killed an innocent child in your 'hurry' to see your friend? Slow down, and live.

The attitude that you want to physically injure someone for their 'insensitivity' is way over the top friend, and can hardly be considered in the Spirit of Christ. Sure, be zealous for God's causes, and reprimand those who are selfish or asleep. But do not imitate the ungodly. Imitate Christ.

people who are all obsessed with human rituals and legality.. absolutely NO empathy whatsoever.. its those "self rightous people" who wont bend an inch for anyone who is in misery

You have a point here, but it doesn't match any of your examples.

its like the guy who robs a bank.. and then society hates him.. but yet they love the rich guy who hogs his money and has no mercy on anybody..

Most people don't hate those who are forced to steal or beg due to poverty. However, of course many bank robbers are not 'good guys in need' at all, but violent men who want easy money without putting in the work.
So people naturally are suspicious of 'bank robbers'.

Most people don't love the rich, they hate them. I don't know who you are hanging out with, but they seem pretty messed up.

or possibly the christian teen guy who masturbates.. possibly the Lord may have revealed to him that masturbation without lustful thoughts is not immoral.. but then his non christian mother catches him and grounds him... from the telephone, etc.. and she grounds him from going to church..

If you had bothered to read the forum rules, you'd know this is not the appropriate area to discuss this example. Why not seek some Christian counselling in another section of the board?

see what i mean?.. is my point making sense here?

i know that i'm rambling off on a tangent here.. but im just trying to make a point

Point taken, but I think you need to talk these issues over with other Christians, since it seems you don't have the experience to interpret them very well.

I would ask other readers here to offer their advice, and prayer for this young gentleman who can use someone to talk to about these issues, and the many problems he is seeing around him in the world.

Peace,
Nazaroo