ATTENTION, ALL READ ... please.

[lawtonfogle]

Being able to rationalize or not your stances is not the definition of bigotry.

From Merriam-Webster: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Ok, scratch my previous request.

On a side note, does this definition only apply to (those who do things against) members of racial or ethnic groups?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Ok, scratch my previous request.

On a side note, does this definition only apply to (those who do things against) members of racial or ethnic groups?

It would include any minority group and can since most states recognize the minority status of homosexual's thereby adding them to hate crime laws which would easily dispel the notion that they are not a minority.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Because some feel that it's better to let that pressure build tell they explode

Believe me I walk away when the pressure tap explodes.
I may post as though I am livid sometimes but what I post is tame to how I really feel a times.

There is a lot of upset over these issues at present an I agree somewhat with Gishin, it's hard to debate when one side is always muffled.

I also see the hard work the mods are under and I sympathise.

I sometimes feel that issues and deletions are getting onesided, I could be wrong and I admit that alot of this post is a bit of a ramble.
Violence and intimidation is not the way to go, and I see many people upset and angry over this issue.

I cannot see christians(of a certain ideology) ever co-operating with non christians on the issues and I'm not going into the core of the reasons.
Only learning empathy and putting the shoe on the other foot and trying to understand a minorities problems and frustrations will further discusssion, but sometimes I personally feel I am wasting my time.

I don't mean to be inflammatory and if this post offends then I apologise but I am wary and tired of the arguments that certain christians put forward in these debates and I feel that they will never understand.

Matthew 7

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[lawtonfogle]

It would include any minority group and can since most states recognize the minority status of homosexual's thereby adding them to hate crime laws which would easily dispel the notion that they are not a minority.

Just wondering, considering your (webster's) definition had that little bit added.

 

[Beanieboy]

I'm glad that you can understand the frustration, but it's beyond that.

There are ones who are gloating that gays have had their rights taken away from them.
What I would ask is that if we are unable to call such people bigots, that they cannot gloat, with a "ha ha! You can't marry any more, and those of you who did, will have your marriages voided" and call themselves Christian.

A) the gloating is not in keeping with Christ
B) It certainly isn't loving to gloat about the disolving of another's marriage, or in putting up barriers so that gays who love each other can't get married and share the same rights as you do yourself.

If you don't want people to be "sore losers", then I think you should ask people to not be "sore winners."

 

[SiderealExalt]

If the La Times is any indication. The passing of Prop 8 might actually do more harm to the people who wanted it to pass than good.

 

[Beanieboy]

If the La Times is any indication. The passing of Prop 8 might actually do more harm to the people who wanted it to pass than good.

Yyyyes? Expound....

 

[Verv]

Hey guys we can just take it down a notch.

Think of cute, cuddly animals and your grandparents at Christmas time making you cocoa.

Think of the good times...

 

[Beanieboy]

I think it is ridiculous to be on a Christian forum, and nonChristians to be held to a higher standard than some of the Christians are themselves.

If anything, they should be held to a higher standard, and gloating and the disolve of gay people's marriages (those who have married legally) is simply hard hearted, and bad form, and quite ugly.

Reading through this yesterday, I was kind of turned off by Christianity, having seen how they voted, and the tacky postings celebrating the taking away of gay marriages that were once legal, which is such a violation of American rights, and assault on one's pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So, why aren't these posts, which actually paint a negative, ugly image of "Christian", and mock the justness, the humility, the mercy, the gentleness, the love, and the forgiveness of Christ, not reprimanded?

They are potentially turning people away from God, being very, very bad witnesses.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Hey guys we can just take it down a notch.

Think of cute, cuddly animals and your grandparents at Christmas time making you cocoa.

Think of the good times...

My last grandparent died a few months ago.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Yyyyes? Expound....

Compared to 2000's vote, the anti gay marriage crowd loss a fairly whopping 9 points, strongly suggesting it's not a IF gay marriage will be a national reality but a matter of when. Because of the court situation that caused this whole thing and made the proposal of Prop 8 possible, there is a chance the prop will get thrown out on the grounds that it violates the California Constitution, lawyers have already filed on the area. More than like the marriages, many of whom were couples from outside of California will stand. However, because of the legal disaster this whole thing may cause because it is working on a state level instead of a federal level, the outcome might ultimately from a legal standpoint, hurt the anti gay marriage movement.

I think it is ridiculous to be on a Christian forum, and nonChristians to be held to a higher standard than some of the Christians are themselves.

If anything, they should be held to a higher standard, and gloating and the disolve of gay people's marriages (those who have married legally) is simply hard hearted, and bad form, and quite ugly.

Reading through this yesterday, I was kind of turned off by Christianity, having seen how they voted, and the tacky postings celebrating the taking away of gay marriages that were once legal, which is such a violation of American rights, and assault on one's pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So, why aren't these posts, which actually paint a negative, ugly image of "Christian", and mock the justness, the humility, the mercy, the gentleness, the love, and the forgiveness of Christ, not reprimanded?

They are potentially turning people away from God, being very, very bad witnesses.

My life has taught me to expect the worst from Christians, and be pleasantly surprised on those rare ocassions you get the best and learn to enjoy those moments fully.

 

[BlackSabb]

Hey guys we can just take it down a notch.

Think of cute, cuddly animals and your grandparents at Christmas time making you cocoa.

Think of the good times...

Wow! You not only think of your grandparents at Christmas time making you cocoa, but cute cuddly animals are making you cocoa too. Nice!!

 

[WatersMoon110]

Hello all

I see that tensions are running high because of the passing of Prop 8. I understand that this is a huge blow to many people here but while you're posting on CF I'm going to have to ask you to express your disappointed and disgust in a less aggressive manner.

We have rules here and the mods have to enforce them regardless of personal feelings.

This forum has produced a huge amount of reports in the last day or so, I'm going to be going through the threads here and if I see a thread which has more then 5 reports made on it I'm going to close that thread for review.

Finally, please be mindful of the rules, our mod team are few andover worked especially with the fall out from the election and now proposition 8.

Thank you! I know that I very much understand that us regular members getting "up in arms" about an emotional topic results in tons of work for this forum's Mods. And I really appreciate the Society Mods who end up "cleaning up" after us.

Also, thank you for closing threads where things were getting too heated. I think that it always benefits us (as human beings) when an objective party tells us to "take a break" and step outside of our situation for a little while. It is too easy for us humans to get "caught up" in a situation without time to pause and consider if our actions are ethical or not. I would like to thank you for giving me, and possible others, to think about my actions and ethics, and probably (hopefully) prevented me from over-stepping my bounds.

Of course, if I have "stepped on any toes" or otherwise offended people in the very lively debate that was going on in E&M last night, I am sincerely sorry. And I am sorry to our great Society Mods for helping to cause them so much extra work.

So, thank you! *big smile*

 

[pgp_protector]

Hey guys we can just take it down a notch.

Think of cute, cuddly animals and your grandparents at Christmas time making you cocoa.

Think of the good times...

But I like cooking cute cuddly animals, and well my grandparents ... we won't talk about them

 

[WatersMoon110]

My life has taught me to expect the worst from Christians, and be pleasantly surprised on those rare ocassions you get the best and learn to enjoy those moments fully.

Um...I think that if we can't even agree to "get along" in the thread that is telling us threads are being closed because of flaming, this forum might be headed for another complete closure to clean up all of the flames.

I don't want that to happen. I really hope that you also enjoy debating and posting in here to agree that you don't want that to happen.

 

[Athene]

I think it is ridiculous to be on a Christian forum, and nonChristians to be held to a higher standard than some of the Christians are themselves.

If anything, they should be held to a higher standard, and gloating and the disolve of gay people's marriages (those who have married legally) is simply hard hearted, and bad form, and quite ugly.

Reading through this yesterday, I was kind of turned off by Christianity, having seen how they voted, and the tacky postings celebrating the taking away of gay marriages that were once legal, which is such a violation of American rights, and assault on one's pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So, why aren't these posts, which actually paint a negative, ugly image of "Christian", and mock the justness, the humility, the mercy, the gentleness, the love, and the forgiveness of Christ, not reprimanded?

They are potentially turning people away from God, being very, very bad witnesses.

Unfortunately it is beyond the scope of my role here to make people with Christian icons behave in a Christ like manner. But some of the baiting and goading coming from some Christians is absolutely unacceptable, I have updated the OP to address this.

I can assure you that the mod team are looking very closely at the threads here, if we see posts by Christians that mock, bait and goad non-Christians over the prop 8 issue, these posts are being reported and they will be dealt with. This may take a while as we do have a huge back log to get through. You can help us, if you report a post that is particularly nasty and it doesn't get removed in a timely fashion, let a mod know. Mods can remove posts for review while they're being discussed .

 

[WatersMoon110]

Unfortunately it is beyond the scope of my role here to make people with Christian icons behave in a Christ like manner.

I thought that Mods had super powers? You mean you don't? *wink*

I'm afraid that all we can do for such Christians is to pray for them. Only they and God have the power to change their behavior!

You can help us, if you report a post that is particularly nasty and it doesn't get removed in a timely fashion, let a mod know. Mods can remove posts for review while they're being discussed.

Quoted for Truth, and for good advice!

 

[Beanieboy]

Unfortunately it is beyond the scope of my role here to make people with Christian icons behave in a Christ like manner. But some of the baiting and goading coming from some Christians is absolutely unacceptable, I have updated the OP to address this.

I can assure you that the mod team are looking very closely at the threads here, if we see posts by Christians that mock, bait and goad non-Christians over the prop 8 issue, these posts are being reported and they will be dealt with. This may take a while as we do have a huge back log to get through. You can help us, if you report a post that is particularly nasty and it doesn't get removed in a timely fashion, let a mod know. Mods can remove posts for review while they're being discussed .

Thank you. I appreciate your attention and fairness in the matter.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

In response to the updated edit:

Hello all

I see that tensions are running high because of the passing of Prop 8. I understand that this is a huge blow to many people here but while you're posting on CF I'm going to have to ask you to express your disappointed and disgust in a less aggressive manner.

To the prop 8 supporters, you're obviously very pleased with this decision and while you're on this forum you're entitled to say why you're pleased, but when you go on from that and goad, belittle and mock homosexuals you're crossing a line.

WHAT!!!!! The absolutely common accusation toward we Christians, that desire that our rights not be violated BY Gay Activism, is ridicule, labeled as haters, accused of racism and violence. And the list of gay labels against our opposition.

How about just trying for justice huh?

The mod team have actioned several such posts and there are plenty more that have been reported. The success of prop 8 is a stab in the heart to many people here, and to gloat over their pain is tacky.

What "pain?" This is an internet debate site. Not one person is being "hurt" by the letters put into sentences on these threads. And "you mods" allow incessant and non-stop insults to be never-endingly directed at any and every word that disagrees with THEIR positions.

This forum has produced a huge amount of reports in the last day or so, I'm going to be going through the threads here and if I see a thread which has more then 5 reports made on it I'm going to close that thread for review.

Ever thought that "someone" is trying to derail and silence opposition? "I" have been insulted time and time again, and have reported many people and yet, I do not call for threads to be closed.

Finally, please be mindful of the rules, our mod team are few and over worked especially with the fall out from the election and now proposition 8.

Looks like you need help from a couple of Angels huh?

You mods do not hold the non and anti Christians, the liberals and the progressive Christians to the same standard that you do we "conservative Bible-affirming Christians.

I no longer care what you do to me. Truth needs to be seen for as long as you allow this post to stay up.

 

[WatersMoon110]

You mods do not hold the non and anti Christians, the liberals and the progressive Christians to the same standard that you do we "conservative Bible-affirming Christians.

Please, don't claim that the Mods are favoring anyone. If you see a rule breaking post - especially one by one of the groups you've mentioned - please report it.

I have never found the Society Mods to be anything but fair. They don't let their personal opinions get in the way of removing flaming posts. Even if it might seem "unfair" from your side, remember that the Mods can't spend their time looking for any post that might be rule breaking, and help them out by Reporting any rule-breaking post you see. It might just be that people aren't reporting posts of the "non and anti Christians, the liberals and the progressive Christians" as you so put it, because people are probably less likely to report rule breaking posts that "support their side". The Mods, especially right now, can't know that a post is breaking the rules unless one of us regular members Reports it!

If anyone feels that Mods are acting unfairly, then they should try and do their part by Reporting the rule-breaking posts of those people they feel are getting favored!!

I promise you, the Society Mods seek only to remove posts that break the rules! They do not want to "silence" any "side" of an issue, they just want to do their job: Enforcing the Rules of CF and the Guidelines of E&M!