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Atlantis Revealed???
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hiscosmicgoldfish
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There is a city sited under the sea off the coast of Cuba. But lack of funds/interest prevents any exploration. There is also the mid-Atlantic ridge.. as a possible contender for Atlantis.
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It's a bit out of the way to be Atlantis I think. That island is in the Indian Ocean.
Atlantis, if Plato was actually referring to a real place (many think he just made it up), was probably an island nation of the Minoans or a similar culture. The isle of Santorini is a good candidate. Was a Minoan island that was obliterated by a volcano eruption.
Atlantis, if Plato was actually referring to a real place (many think he just made it up), was probably an island nation of the Minoans or a similar culture. The isle of Santorini is a good candidate. Was a Minoan island that was obliterated by a volcano eruption.
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hiscosmicgoldfish
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I go for Cuba and the Antilles islands.. Hispanola, etc. and the mid-atlantic ridge, before it all got flooded.
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But the problem with that is there is no way Plato could have known that those islands existed at that point in time.
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hiscosmicgoldfish
Liberal Anglican
The info that ended up with the Greeks might have come from the Egyptians.. and the Egyptians were trading with the Phoenicians, (tobacco and cocaine) and the Phoenicians might have been saling to the americas. 'Gateway to Atlantis' by Andew Collins is a very good book. I dont read much Atlantis or esoteric stuff, but that book is very well researched. The trade from Egypt to the americas bit. I think it is a mix of Plato's ideal political system, written like a novel, and actual cultural-memories of a land beyond Gibralta and West. The sea level might have been lower than today, caused by the ice age, after the great flood (sorry, yes i am a creationist).. that's how i think the old maps were derived, and ended up with the Turks, and Columbus had info as well, so it seems. There was a global survey at some time in the distant past, when the Antarctic was reasonably free of ice.. as depicted on the old maps.
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Plato supposedly got his info from the egyptian priests....
or records in their possession....
Certainly there hav been plenty of vulcanistic incidents in the southern med that could have obliterated atlantis if it was there....
Should have used Google earth, thought this was off the northern african coast....
The city off SW Cuba is 5000 feet down, and can only be approached by remote control submersibles...a Canadian lady and her team found it two or more years ago, there are pictures floating around the net, no pun intended.
Bimini was discovered to have regular stone undersea wall headed out to mid atlantic
back in 69(right on cayces prophecy by the way)spotted from the air...shallow water too....scuba- able,but ive heard no more about the wall than that...large stone blocks though....
It is thought by some that the Azores may be a remnant as well of the sunken continent..
The op could be a remnant of MU though...all around the pacific there are ruins that nobody knows who made....china etc...
The continent of MU predates atlantis by aeons...
The peri reis map of which you speak is an aireal projection map and ties in with modern radar mapping most exactly...
could have been seen from space or the air...
what lies beneath that great sheet of ice may be soon visible if this melt keeps on going...another large chunk of ice has busted off this year...
There are a few lakes down there though and they do contain life of a sort...
the russians have drilled down to one for sure...
These ancient civilisations simply fascinate me...
predating the creation is quite a feat...perhaps these were remnats of the giants civilisation?
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or records in their possession....
Certainly there hav been plenty of vulcanistic incidents in the southern med that could have obliterated atlantis if it was there....
Should have used Google earth, thought this was off the northern african coast....
The city off SW Cuba is 5000 feet down, and can only be approached by remote control submersibles...a Canadian lady and her team found it two or more years ago, there are pictures floating around the net, no pun intended.
Bimini was discovered to have regular stone undersea wall headed out to mid atlantic
back in 69(right on cayces prophecy by the way)spotted from the air...shallow water too....scuba- able,but ive heard no more about the wall than that...large stone blocks though....
It is thought by some that the Azores may be a remnant as well of the sunken continent..
The op could be a remnant of MU though...all around the pacific there are ruins that nobody knows who made....china etc...
The continent of MU predates atlantis by aeons...
The peri reis map of which you speak is an aireal projection map and ties in with modern radar mapping most exactly...
could have been seen from space or the air...
what lies beneath that great sheet of ice may be soon visible if this melt keeps on going...another large chunk of ice has busted off this year...
There are a few lakes down there though and they do contain life of a sort...
the russians have drilled down to one for sure...
These ancient civilisations simply fascinate me...
predating the creation is quite a feat...perhaps these were remnats of the giants civilisation?
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One too many mights in there for me--especially the part about sailing to the Americas. Such a claim is about as tenuous as the LDS claim of some Jews getting on a boat and sailing to America and intermingling with the natives there. If contact was made with the Americas long before 1492, there would surely be some record of it. All of the historical record of the Old World tells us that the people did not know what lay beyond the Atlantic Ocean, except perhaps the end of the flat world.
All of the speculation about Atlantis derives from Plato. There is no primary mention of it anywhere else besides Plato. The evidence strongly points to Atlantis either being an Old World sea-faring civilization at best, or (far more likely) something made up by Plato incorporating inspiration from certain historical/contemporary events of his time.
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Cairo (a town on the big muddy) is aptly named fopr the egyptian artifacts found there....
It is not widely known, but there are ample indications of an egyptian colony there...
dating way back before 1492...
Indeed it would seem america was only rediscovered by Columbus.
Viking,Asian, egyptian,all artifacts discovered in america..
Then theres the red haired caucasian "gods" who gave the maya their civilisation, then left promising to return someday.....this also long before columbus...
It is no longer accepted that Columbus was even close to being here first.
The Mound builders erected huge mounds of earth(more like hills) in which egyptian looking artifacts were recovered.they are to be found from canada to the south east of USA.
It is highly possible that hebrew immigrants did come here long ago...if the egyptians made it in their reed boats why not hebrews too?
Not that i am into mormonism, but.......
There were also giant mummies discovered in tombs along the Colorado river in the 1930s...these were taken by the smithsonian, and the tombs dynamited.
In fact it apears that many artifacts not in keeping with accepted archialogical theory,the anomalous discoveries,of the early 19th century were either suppressed or destroyed by those whose theories they did not fit.
Other tales tell of a vast underground city high up along the walls of death valley exists and was exploed by early prospectors.
The cavern opens up in the hillside far above he valley floor, and it has carved stone docks where it looks out over the valley.
It is not widely known, but there are ample indications of an egyptian colony there...
dating way back before 1492...
Indeed it would seem america was only rediscovered by Columbus.
Viking,Asian, egyptian,all artifacts discovered in america..
Then theres the red haired caucasian "gods" who gave the maya their civilisation, then left promising to return someday.....this also long before columbus...
It is no longer accepted that Columbus was even close to being here first.
The Mound builders erected huge mounds of earth(more like hills) in which egyptian looking artifacts were recovered.they are to be found from canada to the south east of USA.
It is highly possible that hebrew immigrants did come here long ago...if the egyptians made it in their reed boats why not hebrews too?
Not that i am into mormonism, but.......
There were also giant mummies discovered in tombs along the Colorado river in the 1930s...these were taken by the smithsonian, and the tombs dynamited.
In fact it apears that many artifacts not in keeping with accepted archialogical theory,the anomalous discoveries,of the early 19th century were either suppressed or destroyed by those whose theories they did not fit.
Other tales tell of a vast underground city high up along the walls of death valley exists and was exploed by early prospectors.
The cavern opens up in the hillside far above he valley floor, and it has carved stone docks where it looks out over the valley.
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The only other people who visited America before Colombus were the Vikings. They hit Newfoundland, but packed it up after awhile and headed back to Europe. And that was still in the 1100s. Still a long time after Plato.
The story about Egyptians in America seems dubious at best. Only one guy has apparently seen this cave and then he set off an explosion that sealed the entrance permanently. How convenient...
The story about Egyptians in America seems dubious at best. Only one guy has apparently seen this cave and then he set off an explosion that sealed the entrance permanently. How convenient...
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hiscosmicgoldfish
Liberal Anglican
I have been getting into Atlantis of late. I ‘skipped’ through Graham Hancock’s book recently, ‘Underwater World’.. skipped through, because he basically regurgitates establishment theories about ‘inundations and ice age’ which I find tedious to read, as I don’t think it’s the truth about pre-history. What Hancock does show up, is the narrow-mindedness and sometimes conspiratorial activities of various museum curators and other experts around the world.
There are megalithic temples on Malta, and a partly man-made labyrinth called the Hypogeum. It was filled with the remains of 30,000 humans, animal bones, pottery, amulets and dirt, all mixed up together. So I (being a believer in the flood) thought’’ ‘that’s probably the result of the flood’.. and a local doctor and armature archaeologist came up with the same theory, (but not based on biblical bias).. that the Hypogeum was a natural sink hole, that washed all the detritus down into 4400 years ago (only 200 years difference from the standard 4200 years ago date for the great flood).
But the establishment says it was a burial site.
But then we find out that there has been desecration of the evidence, for many years on Malta, to cover up any evidence for human presence on the islands in pre-historic times, as it does not fit with the establishment theories.
My hunch, is that all the evidence for underwater temples, (the best I’ve seen yet has been from Yonaguni island in far-south Japan) is that the world had a civilisation, all the way around the planet, and it was ‘megalithic’.. they were into lifting big blocks of stone around, stone circles etc.. and the sea level and land elevation was altered dramatically during the flood. Temples were built on pre-existing religious sites, found again after the flood. Or left as they are, like on Malta. New populations arrived on Malta by boat from Sicily and North Africa.
As for the Mormons; I was reading about that as well, and the findings of these earth mounds, with giants/ red-haired ‘people’ buried, and them squirreled away by the American establishment, until recently (again because the evidence is too out of the orthodox theories for American history). That’s where the lost tribes of Jews in America came from in Mormonism, in part, because of real evidence. (I think they were people/giants from the time just after the flood re-population by ship).
There is evidence, hard evidence (that’s what I like about Andrew Collin’s book) about cocaine found in Egyptian mummies. Cocaine can only be got from the Americas. Tobacco was found also, but there is an African strain of tobacco that could account for that. Graham Hancock waffles on, and he doesn’t put any heed whatsoever in the bible, and says that the bible is much more recent than the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, which I find a bit offensive actually, and rather ignorant.
There are megalithic temples on Malta, and a partly man-made labyrinth called the Hypogeum. It was filled with the remains of 30,000 humans, animal bones, pottery, amulets and dirt, all mixed up together. So I (being a believer in the flood) thought’’ ‘that’s probably the result of the flood’.. and a local doctor and armature archaeologist came up with the same theory, (but not based on biblical bias).. that the Hypogeum was a natural sink hole, that washed all the detritus down into 4400 years ago (only 200 years difference from the standard 4200 years ago date for the great flood).
But the establishment says it was a burial site.
But then we find out that there has been desecration of the evidence, for many years on Malta, to cover up any evidence for human presence on the islands in pre-historic times, as it does not fit with the establishment theories.
My hunch, is that all the evidence for underwater temples, (the best I’ve seen yet has been from Yonaguni island in far-south Japan) is that the world had a civilisation, all the way around the planet, and it was ‘megalithic’.. they were into lifting big blocks of stone around, stone circles etc.. and the sea level and land elevation was altered dramatically during the flood. Temples were built on pre-existing religious sites, found again after the flood. Or left as they are, like on Malta. New populations arrived on Malta by boat from Sicily and North Africa.
As for the Mormons; I was reading about that as well, and the findings of these earth mounds, with giants/ red-haired ‘people’ buried, and them squirreled away by the American establishment, until recently (again because the evidence is too out of the orthodox theories for American history). That’s where the lost tribes of Jews in America came from in Mormonism, in part, because of real evidence. (I think they were people/giants from the time just after the flood re-population by ship).
There is evidence, hard evidence (that’s what I like about Andrew Collin’s book) about cocaine found in Egyptian mummies. Cocaine can only be got from the Americas. Tobacco was found also, but there is an African strain of tobacco that could account for that. Graham Hancock waffles on, and he doesn’t put any heed whatsoever in the bible, and says that the bible is much more recent than the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, which I find a bit offensive actually, and rather ignorant.
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No actually there is evidence for the presence of visitors to N America before columbus ...
The norse who came,had a settlement in greenland of all places, besides the east coast of the US and canada.
The pacific also has some travellers arriving before his voyage of rediscovery as well....
Kon Tiki in reverse as it were...
Th egyptian ships were not so small as columbus puny boats either, and were well capable of travel across the atlantic.
Also there is a city state which escapes my memory that were based in the med, and ran their ships all over the old world seas....
I believe their island state was destroyed in a cataclysmic earth quake...
From what ive read they too had been to N america.
American sites have yielded considerable numbers of copper tablets shaped like the hide of an animal; and they were named 'reels'. In 1896, in Cyprus, and subsequently in many Mediterranean excavations, corresponding 'Bronze Age' copper objects, recognised now as ingots used in international currency, have been found. The American examples indicate an international trading system existed. (1)
The late 19th century and early 20th archaeologists have destroyed or suppressed a lot of evidence and discoveries that were not in keeping with their history theories.
Much has been deleted and destroyed because it may have proved them wrong, and well a paycheck is a paycheck, and they needed the dough and prestige aparently.
I have read some examples of this from time to time in my studies.
The fact is that back then we had som pretty arrogant and narrowminded views influenced by the RCC and strict biblical views which altered or suppressed anything which did not support that version of history as they "knew " it.
Even today, people like Sitchkin,and other scholars get scoffed at by the mainstream, and virtually ostracised till their theories no longer can be denied....
Remember that the RCC,and offshoots, tolerated no deviation from their official take on history.(6000 yr old earth etc....)
Brilliant people were burnt at the stake and other tortures for dissenting opinions never mind their well thought out theories based upon observation and physical evidence.
The Smithsonian stands accused of burying or destroying counter evidence as well.....
In BC canada, artifacts were discovered of spanish origin high up in the Monashee mountains....
Nobody can explain their presence.
Other anomalous discoveries of authentic nature have also been discounted and discarded fron our version of history like the stone doll brought up from deep underground in montana (or close to there...)by a well driller.
I had made a hobby long ago, of seeking out these anomalies....
though i dont hav all the facts at hand any longer, many different anomalous artefacts have turned up to embarrass the experts....
One i recall, is a solid gold chain broken out of a lunp of coal dug deep underground in a eruopean coalmine...
the coal retained an impression of the chain links after the chain itself was removed.
Now coal takes millions of years to form underground....
The amount of such strange findings, is shocking.
There is a sandstone imprint of a soled bootprint found next to the tracks of dinosaurs....the stitching is even very clearly defined.
This too cannot be less than millions of years old...
certainly far more than six thousand....
Evidence exists in south america in the form of cave paintings of african animals like the zebra,etc...
these too indicate the world was much more widely travelled than our picture of history admits...
The egyptian artefacts, recovered from an Ohio mound include a duplicate winged eye of horus...as well as other stuff.
Not that im about to go to the trouble of googling all this stuff up for youse, ive long ago dug it up for myself, and if you really are unbiasedly interested in historic anomalies they remain for you to discover on your own.
Many many interesting and unexplained anomalies await you....try googling Antkatheria for a start
starbrite.
PS heres a link anyways i get tired of that smug, smarmy "nothing new under the sun"know it all attitude people seem to have adopted these days...
for petes sake they could dig this stuff up themselves, but would rather have their world wrapped up in a neat package.....saves a lot of mentation that way.......
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/azpages.htm
The norse who came,had a settlement in greenland of all places, besides the east coast of the US and canada.
The pacific also has some travellers arriving before his voyage of rediscovery as well....
Kon Tiki in reverse as it were...
Th egyptian ships were not so small as columbus puny boats either, and were well capable of travel across the atlantic.
Also there is a city state which escapes my memory that were based in the med, and ran their ships all over the old world seas....
I believe their island state was destroyed in a cataclysmic earth quake...
From what ive read they too had been to N america.
The Mound Builders.
USA has more than 100,000 artificial mounds between the great lakes and the Gulf of Mexico. (12).
In 1838, the first authenticated Phoenician inscription was excavated from a burial chamber found at the base of Mammoth Mound, in Moundsville, West Virginia. The similarity to Iberian Writing was recognised, and the contents of the mound were attributed to European visitors. The mounds of the eastern and central America have timber chambers rather than stone, but they contain similar archaeological remains to those found in Iberia. (1) USA has more than 100,000 artificial mounds between the great lakes and the Gulf of Mexico. (12).
American sites have yielded considerable numbers of copper tablets shaped like the hide of an animal; and they were named 'reels'. In 1896, in Cyprus, and subsequently in many Mediterranean excavations, corresponding 'Bronze Age' copper objects, recognised now as ingots used in international currency, have been found. The American examples indicate an international trading system existed. (1)
The late 19th century and early 20th archaeologists have destroyed or suppressed a lot of evidence and discoveries that were not in keeping with their history theories.
Much has been deleted and destroyed because it may have proved them wrong, and well a paycheck is a paycheck, and they needed the dough and prestige aparently.
I have read some examples of this from time to time in my studies.
The fact is that back then we had som pretty arrogant and narrowminded views influenced by the RCC and strict biblical views which altered or suppressed anything which did not support that version of history as they "knew " it.
Even today, people like Sitchkin,and other scholars get scoffed at by the mainstream, and virtually ostracised till their theories no longer can be denied....
Remember that the RCC,and offshoots, tolerated no deviation from their official take on history.(6000 yr old earth etc....)
Brilliant people were burnt at the stake and other tortures for dissenting opinions never mind their well thought out theories based upon observation and physical evidence.
The Smithsonian stands accused of burying or destroying counter evidence as well.....
In BC canada, artifacts were discovered of spanish origin high up in the Monashee mountains....
Nobody can explain their presence.
Other anomalous discoveries of authentic nature have also been discounted and discarded fron our version of history like the stone doll brought up from deep underground in montana (or close to there...)by a well driller.
I had made a hobby long ago, of seeking out these anomalies....
though i dont hav all the facts at hand any longer, many different anomalous artefacts have turned up to embarrass the experts....
One i recall, is a solid gold chain broken out of a lunp of coal dug deep underground in a eruopean coalmine...
the coal retained an impression of the chain links after the chain itself was removed.
Now coal takes millions of years to form underground....
The amount of such strange findings, is shocking.
There is a sandstone imprint of a soled bootprint found next to the tracks of dinosaurs....the stitching is even very clearly defined.
This too cannot be less than millions of years old...
certainly far more than six thousand....
Evidence exists in south america in the form of cave paintings of african animals like the zebra,etc...
these too indicate the world was much more widely travelled than our picture of history admits...
The egyptian artefacts, recovered from an Ohio mound include a duplicate winged eye of horus...as well as other stuff.
Not that im about to go to the trouble of googling all this stuff up for youse, ive long ago dug it up for myself, and if you really are unbiasedly interested in historic anomalies they remain for you to discover on your own.
Many many interesting and unexplained anomalies await you....try googling Antkatheria for a start
starbrite.
PS heres a link anyways i get tired of that smug, smarmy "nothing new under the sun"know it all attitude people seem to have adopted these days...
for petes sake they could dig this stuff up themselves, but would rather have their world wrapped up in a neat package.....saves a lot of mentation that way.......
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/azpages.htm
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hiscosmicgoldfish
Liberal Anglican
I hope I don’t sound like one of these narrow minded bigots, but I have a different take on it. Coal doesn’t take millions of years to form, the world is only several thousands of years old. I don’t read any of Z. Sitchin’s books, as I think he’s making money out of a deception. And I’ve heard from people like Arizona Wilder, that he’s part of the illuminus conspiracy and is a reptilian shape-shifter, like the queen mother and the rest of them. Wasn’t Joseph Smith supposed to have found a copper tablet with old writing on it? I wonder if that’s based on some actual real event, somewhere found. I read some of that book by Cremo,.. Hidden Archaeology I think it was called. I couldn’t get on with it, as it was written from the Hindu perspective, about the earth and human civilisation being v. old. It’s like reading Hancock’s books in a way. I am reading and I think ‘they just don’t get it’. A fossilised shoe print turns up in Devonian or Carboniferous’ or whatever supposed evolutionary era they say it is, and it shouldn’t be there, because of the establishment rock-age system.. People were running around and wearing shoes at the same time as dinosaurs were on the earth. That’s the unthinkable heresy that people can’t bear to consider.
I know Sitchen makes a ton of money from his alien-conspiracy books, i wonder if there's any books published from young-earth perspective? I havn't found any anywhere.. Creationism is so 'in the closet' these days, that trying to publish a book would probably be impossible, so one'd have to keep ones creationist ideas hidden.. if one was thinking a creating a book on this subject.
Thanks for the link starbright, this is also one of my main hobbies.. dabbling in anomalous history.
I've just been looking at this Pyramid found in Bosnia, .. i'd have the opportunity to go and have a look at it this winter. interesting reading the spin on Wikepedia claiming it's a hoax, and the intellectual bigots trying to get the excavations stopped, and then checking on the local people who are doing work in the area, and how the two sides are so opposed.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/bosniapyramids.htm
I know Sitchen makes a ton of money from his alien-conspiracy books, i wonder if there's any books published from young-earth perspective? I havn't found any anywhere.. Creationism is so 'in the closet' these days, that trying to publish a book would probably be impossible, so one'd have to keep ones creationist ideas hidden.. if one was thinking a creating a book on this subject.
Thanks for the link starbright, this is also one of my main hobbies.. dabbling in anomalous history.
I've just been looking at this Pyramid found in Bosnia, .. i'd have the opportunity to go and have a look at it this winter. interesting reading the spin on Wikepedia claiming it's a hoax, and the intellectual bigots trying to get the excavations stopped, and then checking on the local people who are doing work in the area, and how the two sides are so opposed.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/bosniapyramids.htm
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Yep, that bosnian pyramids not been in the news for quite a while now....
id forgtten that one...
I dont know how long it takes to form coal,...(im not that old)
but it would seem theres plenty of evidence for a much older than biblical earth....
Whether it is a fault of carbon dating or whatever, im not gonna get into that one...ill leave it to the experts and the bible litteralists to hash out...
The earth apears to be much much older to most humans though who are we to say?
all things are possible with God yes?
The giants in the bible so sparsely mentioned could have been here for aoens before mankind...
There are too many large stone structures and dolemens that men could not possibly have dome with primitive tools....either it was the giants, or the Holy spirit,
there are stone walls with rocks so large as to wiegh 8000 tons man....
sure stonehenge was within our human capability, but these others just are too darn large, and they were lifted into place as well....
we cannot duplicate such feats today at all....
The earth to me could easily be the 3-4 billion yrs old.
also th trip about God being outside of time,the thousand yrs being but a day to Him...perhaps that is just an expression which offers some hope for an older earth....
six thousand is but a flick of an eye in eternity, and the thousand year day could mean much more than the literal figure of a thousand yrs...
Im not sure we could count too much higher than that back then....
or most couldnt anyways...to the old ones a thousand could as easily be a billion too....
The vedas of india speak of heavier than air flight...rocket ships in space,nuclear war,etc.
They even claim that aliens sold the space ships to us...(well to the king anyways)
describe space flight as well.....
If yer sticking with the six thou...yer in the extreme minority, even among the devout...
Joseph smith recieved the plates of Gold from an angel named moroni....
there are groups of witnesses to this too...ones for the plates, and ones for the other stuff...etc, all signed and witnessed legal like according to the times it was happening.
Reading that link will tell about hundreds of anomalies that show N america to be a busy place back then with all kinds of commings and goings..
The natives of the tip of S america, have the same DNA as the australian aboriginies....and on and on...
We dont seem to give the old one enough credit for being able to travel, but they got around just fine it seems...
Columbus was definatley not even the fifth to discover america....
starbrite....
id forgtten that one...
I dont know how long it takes to form coal,...(im not that old)
but it would seem theres plenty of evidence for a much older than biblical earth....
Whether it is a fault of carbon dating or whatever, im not gonna get into that one...ill leave it to the experts and the bible litteralists to hash out...
The earth apears to be much much older to most humans though who are we to say?
all things are possible with God yes?
The giants in the bible so sparsely mentioned could have been here for aoens before mankind...
There are too many large stone structures and dolemens that men could not possibly have dome with primitive tools....either it was the giants, or the Holy spirit,
there are stone walls with rocks so large as to wiegh 8000 tons man....
sure stonehenge was within our human capability, but these others just are too darn large, and they were lifted into place as well....
we cannot duplicate such feats today at all....
The earth to me could easily be the 3-4 billion yrs old.
also th trip about God being outside of time,the thousand yrs being but a day to Him...perhaps that is just an expression which offers some hope for an older earth....
six thousand is but a flick of an eye in eternity, and the thousand year day could mean much more than the literal figure of a thousand yrs...
Im not sure we could count too much higher than that back then....
or most couldnt anyways...to the old ones a thousand could as easily be a billion too....
The vedas of india speak of heavier than air flight...rocket ships in space,nuclear war,etc.
They even claim that aliens sold the space ships to us...(well to the king anyways)
describe space flight as well.....
If yer sticking with the six thou...yer in the extreme minority, even among the devout...
Joseph smith recieved the plates of Gold from an angel named moroni....
there are groups of witnesses to this too...ones for the plates, and ones for the other stuff...etc, all signed and witnessed legal like according to the times it was happening.
Reading that link will tell about hundreds of anomalies that show N america to be a busy place back then with all kinds of commings and goings..
The natives of the tip of S america, have the same DNA as the australian aboriginies....and on and on...
We dont seem to give the old one enough credit for being able to travel, but they got around just fine it seems...
Columbus was definatley not even the fifth to discover america....
starbrite....
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hiscosmicgoldfish
Liberal Anglican
I’m planning on making a little detour this winter to Bosnia to visit the pyramids. I think the excavations there are so interesting. I am so fascinated by this subject, that I am doing a little tour of the ancient world.. Starting in Egypt, overland, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Bulgaria, and over to the Adriatic coast. Lebanon seems to be off-limits now, due to all the fighting and strife. (I blame Tony Blair, ‘Bush and the Israelis for that).
There’s a guy called Ron Wyatt, he discovered the city of Sodom, and posted a video on Google video, showing the evidence for the sulphur etc.. I managed to track down the official location of Sodom, as being in Jordan, on the south coast of the dead sea.. I need to check again where Ron Wyatt said it was, so I can visit it, as long as it’s not over in occupied Palestine (Israel).
The megalithic rocks; I have been looking at that again, over in Peru and Bolivia, and I think we’r looking at antediluvian there. And I had a look at that ‘found Atlantis’ claim.. and saw the rectangular shape under the Atlantic, up from the Azores/Canary Islands area.. (very fascinating). And also did some searching for that city off Cuba.
There is some hard evidence for nukes, (desert glass in Libya), but my theory is that the first civilisation had a little help (as a lot of the legends recall)… help from angelic beings. (yes extraterrestrials, but not ‘aliens’
.. After Steve Quayle mentioned about the elongated skulls, I had a rethink about that, as I had always gone with the official line that they were the result of using a wooden board to deform babies skulls.. I’ve actually seen these type of skulls, in a cave in Belize.. imbedded in minerals.. and looking again at those strange clay figures from Iraq, with the reptilian-like head, very strange, and Andrew Collins wrote about that in ‘From the Ashes of Angels’.. not a very good book, for him.. he was trying to trace a shamanistic culture which began in Iran/Turkey.. and led to the legends of various things, like Noah being a Nephilim baby, because of his white hair and shining countenance.. and the links with the shamans in the Yucatan Mexico..
But my dating of the creation is down to the bible. The records (according to the biblical experts) are reliable to trace the generations of Jesus to Adam, and creation. I don’t believe in any pre-Adamic civilisation with angels or whatever (although many do). I believe the entire universe was created about 6 thousand years ago, in literal 6 days.. (like they say in the US.. ‘get over it’..) I also believe that the bible is reliable when it says that the earth is fixed, does not move in any way, and the sun moves around the earth, and the universe rotates around the fixed earth.. (there is actually a lot of very good hard-core science evidence for this, but most people are not aware of it at all). That includes when Joshua had Yahweh stop the sun, so that he could carry on with the battle (there’s supporting evidence for that in the Chinese ‘long day’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQHQ992Wnw
There’s a guy called Ron Wyatt, he discovered the city of Sodom, and posted a video on Google video, showing the evidence for the sulphur etc.. I managed to track down the official location of Sodom, as being in Jordan, on the south coast of the dead sea.. I need to check again where Ron Wyatt said it was, so I can visit it, as long as it’s not over in occupied Palestine (Israel).
The megalithic rocks; I have been looking at that again, over in Peru and Bolivia, and I think we’r looking at antediluvian there. And I had a look at that ‘found Atlantis’ claim.. and saw the rectangular shape under the Atlantic, up from the Azores/Canary Islands area.. (very fascinating). And also did some searching for that city off Cuba.
There is some hard evidence for nukes, (desert glass in Libya), but my theory is that the first civilisation had a little help (as a lot of the legends recall)… help from angelic beings. (yes extraterrestrials, but not ‘aliens’
.. After Steve Quayle mentioned about the elongated skulls, I had a rethink about that, as I had always gone with the official line that they were the result of using a wooden board to deform babies skulls.. I’ve actually seen these type of skulls, in a cave in Belize.. imbedded in minerals.. and looking again at those strange clay figures from Iraq, with the reptilian-like head, very strange, and Andrew Collins wrote about that in ‘From the Ashes of Angels’.. not a very good book, for him.. he was trying to trace a shamanistic culture which began in Iran/Turkey.. and led to the legends of various things, like Noah being a Nephilim baby, because of his white hair and shining countenance.. and the links with the shamans in the Yucatan Mexico.. But my dating of the creation is down to the bible. The records (according to the biblical experts) are reliable to trace the generations of Jesus to Adam, and creation. I don’t believe in any pre-Adamic civilisation with angels or whatever (although many do). I believe the entire universe was created about 6 thousand years ago, in literal 6 days.. (like they say in the US.. ‘get over it’..) I also believe that the bible is reliable when it says that the earth is fixed, does not move in any way, and the sun moves around the earth, and the universe rotates around the fixed earth.. (there is actually a lot of very good hard-core science evidence for this, but most people are not aware of it at all). That includes when Joshua had Yahweh stop the sun, so that he could carry on with the battle (there’s supporting evidence for that in the Chinese ‘long day’
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQHQ992Wnw
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Holy moly, good luck on yer journey of discovery there fish.....
It sounds like an admirable plan...wish i could come along, but ill be with you in spirit, and will await yer findings with relish.
A lot has happened in six odd thousand yrs if youre right....
Th goelogists and the cosmologists are arrayed against such beliefs but like i said, all things are possible with God.(did i say that?)anyways, you will return with some interesting stories regardless of conclusions...It will be of interest to us all of that im sure...
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It sounds like an admirable plan...wish i could come along, but ill be with you in spirit, and will await yer findings with relish.
A lot has happened in six odd thousand yrs if youre right....
Th goelogists and the cosmologists are arrayed against such beliefs but like i said, all things are possible with God.(did i say that?)anyways, you will return with some interesting stories regardless of conclusions...It will be of interest to us all of that im sure...
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