Atheists?

[tucker58]

The fact remains that I have no desire to talk every believer out of their beliefs.

Talking with people about their beliefs on a board where people come to talk about their beliefs dosen't obligate me to owe an explaination to everyone.

Your argument that I am required to go around explaining to people that their appeals to higher powers have more to do with their own psyche than the objective universe that they live in dosen't follow from any facts that I am aware of.

Your beliefs are your responcability, not mine.

A while back variant coined the phrase, "Evangelistic Atheists". This topic was an attempt to explore that concept with you guys. Obviously none of you guys are "Evangelistic Atheists", so I seemed to have wasted your time, "again".

love,

tuck

 

[variant]

A while back variant coined the phrase, "Evangelistic Atheists". This topic was an attempt to explore that concept with you guys. Obviously none of you guys are "Evangelistic Atheists", so I seemed to have wasted your time, "again".

At least not to Christians on Tuesdays, for that is the day I owe explanations to all scientologists about thetan engrams being born in the imagination of poor science fiction writers and not a real threat to their livelihood.

 

[tucker58]

At least not to Christians on Tuesdays, for that is the day I owe explanations to all scientologists about thetan engrams being born in the imagination of poor science fiction writers and not a real threat to their livelihood.

I love you ! You always play tuck against tuck ! I have never met anybody like you. You are a force to be reckoned with. Personally, I "do" consider that a gift to my reality. Please never cut me any slack. You variant are a gift that I appreciate! And you as a learning experience (I do not actually know everything ) is a gift and I am actually being honest, for what ever that is worth.

Tuck hunkers down

love you!

tuck

 

[Tielec]

Tuck it seems you have a formula for posting whereby you say something extremely bigoted or stereotyped but do so in an incredibly nice and passive manner.

To illustrate:

Why is it that Tuck goes around telling everyone what it is they believe and do, and exactly what childhood trauma led to their atheism? I only ask because it is so good of him!

Love you!
tielec

 

[tucker58]

Tuck it seems you have a formula for posting whereby you say something extremely bigoted or stereotyped but do so in an incredibly nice and passive manner.

To illustrate:

Why is it that Tuck goes around telling everyone what it is they believe and do, and exactly what childhood trauma led to their atheism? I only ask because it is so good of him!

Love you!
tielec

Hi Tielec! Would you like to talk shop? I actually have a back ground in Behavioral Psychology. But of course one would never guess that the way that I talk .

At present I am working on a book about the psycho-social dynamics of a successful message board, just for fun and something to do.

love you back!

love,

tuck

 

[Tielec]

Is it your background in behavioural psychology that caused you to speculate this about atheists?

I think that the personality programing that they picked up in childhood causes a conflict when it comes to "authority" and God is, "the ultimate authority."

 

[tucker58]

Is it your background in behavioural psychology that caused you to speculate this about atheists?

Yes, but with the understanding that things are never that simple. And there is also this if one wishes to study wave motion and wave frequency one has to throw something into the pond.

Tielec, I am extremely empathic and some what telepathic, so where most others study the mind from the outside in, I study the mind from the inside out. If you and I were to visit long enough I would begin to answer your questions before you asked them. Which I will have to be very careful not to do .

I have never studied your stated field of psychology but because most of the behavioral psychology that my studies lie in are more along the lines of behavioral engineering, there should be some over lap between what you know and what I know that might be interesting to explore.

And no matter how one looks at it, what you know has got to fit into the psycho-social dynamics of a successful message board and I am very weak when it comes to the organizational aspects of things.

Why do people hang out on message boards and why do they enjoy being there? The average person just shakes their head and walks off or they are just "viewers" and do not participate. I like message boards because you never know what the other person is going to say, but what ever it is it is going to be interesting in some sense of the word interesting and no two people are ever alike. Everybody is different. And there is very little set pattern to things as a group

just love,

tuck

 

[Tielec]

Yes, but with the understanding that things are never that simple. And there is also this if one wishes to study wave motion and wave frequency one has to throw something into the pond.

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I am interested in getting a succint answer to two questions tucker:
1) How does your background in Behavioural Psychology cause you to conclude that childhood programming against authority is present in all atheists?
2) With the admission that you are attempting to provoke reactions with "stones" - provocative statements, how are you not a nice, intellectual troll?

 

[tucker58]

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I am interested in getting a succint answer to two questions tucker:
1) How does your background in Behavioural Psychology cause you to conclude that childhood programming against authority is present in all atheists?
2) With the admission that you are attempting to provoke reactions with "stones" - provocative statements, how are you not a nice, intellectual troll?

All independent personalities have a certain amount of resistance to authority, that is why they are independent personalities. Every atheist that I have ever met was an very independent personality.

and yes I am a troll. and why are you being so kind to insinuate that I actually have intellect? I know that you do not feel that way.

just love,

tuck

 

[tucker58]

All I had to do was declare myself a Christian and an authority and "Walla", I am up to my tush in angry atheists. and "please" keep in mind guys that you were the ones that resorted to name calling and character assassination, not me.

love,

tuck

 

[Wiccan_Child]

All I had to do was declare myself a Christian and an authority and "Walla", I am up to my tush in angry atheists. and "please" keep in mind guys that you were the ones that resorted to name calling and character assassination, not me.

Err, you're the one who has the audacity to diagnose us with deep-seated psychological issues. Don't play the Christian Persecution card; it's pathetic, and it insults actual Christians.

 

[Eudaimonist]

All independent personalities have a certain amount of resistance to authority, that is why they are independent personalities.

Resistance? Not quite.

Independent people accept the responsibility to think and to make their own ethical judgments. They don't resist authority so much as they will not bow to authorities that have not earned their respect.

Independence relates to the rejection of mindless acceptance of dogma or mindless obedience to alleged authorities. It isn't resistance to authority so much as the virtue of standing on one's own two feet.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

All I had to do was declare myself a Christian and an authority and "Walla", I am up to my tush in angry atheists. and "please" keep in mind guys that you were the ones that resorted to name calling and character assassination, not me.

On the contrary, the OP is character assassination. The atheists here were just responding to what you had started.

That's what happens when you post things like:

"Atheists consider any higher source not real. And "those" that do attempt to appeal to any higher source, a bit slow."

"I think that the personality programing that they picked up in childhood causes a conflict when it comes to "authority" and God is, "the ultimate authority.""

No matter how you pretty up your posts with polite words, it's difficult not to feel you are attempting to engage in psychologizing to the point that there is character assassination taking place. You'd do better to ask questions that don't involve such judgments.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[tucker58]

If Atheists are intellectually superior and state themselves as "non religious", then why do some of them present themselves as "anti religion?"

Religion should be to them, like water running off of a duck's back. Why do they need to defend themselves? After all, religious people are retarded in some sense of the word "retarded", otherwise Atheists would not be Atheists, they would be Agnostic. Because Atheists are above the whole concept of religion, as a truly intelligent mind, why do they care about arguing their non faith, and why are they sensitive about it? After all, religion is ludicrous and they as intelligent minds are above all that.

just a question?

love,

tuck

 

[Eudaimonist]

If Atheists are intellectually superior

When have atheists claimed this?

and state themselves as "non religious", then why do some of them present themselves as "anti religion?"

Because a portion of atheists are "anti religion", and a portion are not.

Religion should be to them, like water running off of a duck's back. Why do they need to defend themselves?

Anti-theists see religion as a predominantly destructive force in the world. Their concern is social and political. Their concern is for human well-being.

After all, religious people are retarded in some sense of the word "retarded"

Stop this! Just stop playing the victim card. You are playing games with us. No more game playing, please.

otherwise Atheists would not be Atheists, they would be Agnostic.

No. Being an atheist simply means that one lacks belief in gods, possibly as a result of careful consideration of the issues. It doesn't mean viewing everyone else as "retarded". It is possible to form a judgment and yet not view others as mentally defective.

just a question?

This is not "just a question". It's a series of insinuations and game playing. With your training in psychology, do you not see this?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Ar Cosc]

If Atheists are intellectually superior and state themselves as "non religious", then why do some of them present themselves as "anti religion?"

Because there are valid arguments to be made that religion causes harm. I am non-religious, and in many cases, I can be anti-religion. I disagree with Sharia law, for example, so in that particular case, I am anti-Islam.

I don't see what this has to do with intellectual superiority though.

Religion should be to them, like water running off of a duck's back. Why do they need to defend themselves?

Because people insist on attacking us.

After all, religious people are retarded in some sense of the word "retarded", otherwise Atheists would not be Atheists, they would be Agnostic. Because Atheists are above the whole concept of religion, as a truly intelligent mind, why do they care about arguing their non faith, and why are they sensitive about it? After all, religion is ludicrous and they as intelligent minds are above all that

Usng polarising words like "retarded" is not the way to win friends in a debate. You've just made your question incredibly loaded, so anyone who even attempts to answer it is going to come out looking bad.

I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to say that I'm above the concept of religion, it's just something I don't subscribe to. I think your religious and spiritual views have far more to do with your upbringing and environment than with any sort of objective intelligence.

And if people kept quiet about their religious beliefs, most atheists would keep quiet about ours. It's when religion intrudes on our lives, even though we don't subscribe to it that we start to get a little irritated.

 

[tucker58]

When have atheists claimed this?



Because a portion of atheists are "anti religion", and a portion are not.



Anti-theists see religion as a predominantly destructive force in the world. Their concern is social and political. Their concern is for human well-being.



Stop this! Just stop playing the victim card. You are playing games with us. No more game playing, please.



No. Being an atheist simply means that one lacks belief in gods, possibly as a result of careful consideration of the issues. It doesn't mean viewing everyone else as "retarded". It is possible to form a judgment and yet not view others as mentally defective.



This is not "just a question". It's a series of insinuations and game playing. With your training in psychology, do you not see this?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Mark, you need to go study your foundation personality programming and "your signature statement." Everybody on this message board forum knows that I am an idiot. Why are you being sucked into my "idiocy"? You being an intellectually superior mind and all. That makes no sense to me.

just love,

tuck

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If Atheists are intellectually superior and state themselves as "non religious", then why do some of them present themselves as "anti religion?"

Because some atheists are anti religion. Christopher Hitchens is a famous anti-theist: he actively opposes the existence of religion.

Religion should be to them, like water running off of a duck's back. Why do they need to defend themselves? After all, religious people are retarded in some sense of the word "retarded", otherwise Atheists would not be Atheists, they would be Agnostic.

That's probably your mistake. People who call themselves atheists generally define 'atheism' as the absence of belief in deities. Most self-professed atheists don't actively deny their existence - and those who do are 'Strong' atheists. That said, some atheists, like Hitchens, while not actively denying the existence of gods, still consider religion to be harmful.

Because Atheists are above the whole concept of religion, as a truly intelligent mind, why do they care about arguing their non faith, and why are they sensitive about it? After all, religion is ludicrous and they as intelligent minds are above all that.

Because it's not a non-issue. Religion has a very big impact in the world, and not all of it's good.

 

[variant]

All I had to do was declare myself a Christian and an authority and "Walla", I am up to my tush in angry atheists. and "please" keep in mind guys that you were the ones that resorted to name calling and character assassination, not me.

Yeah, declaring yourself an arbitrary authority and then proceeding to speak for people who don't agree with you is pretty provocative.

I wonder what would happen if I started a post declaring myself an atheist and then proceeded to tell Christians what it is that they think and why they think it.

I would be willing to bet I would be "up to my tush" in angry Christians.

Or, in other words, what you have discovered is: provocative posts are provocative.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Everybody on this message board forum knows that I am an idiot.

I don't.

Why are you being sucked into my "idiocy"?

Because I believe that you can do better.

There is a simple thing you can do to improve your posts 100%. Stop projecting your judgments about "Atheists" onto us and ask us how we view things. Ask us questions. It's very simple, and I'm sure you can manage this.


eudaimonia,

Mark