razeontherock
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This is not a question of knowledge, but of power. Do you really have a string attached to your arm, like a marionette? Or do you have dominion?
Very simple stuff. And it won't change til you die.
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Hm... no.
We can ignore the question of "causation" here... but if someone "knows" that he will drink water in the next half hour, and this "knowledge" must be correct... that he can NOT decide not to drink, because that would mean that the "knowlegde" of the other person is incorrect.
Somehow I get the feeling that you don't have a clue about what you are talking right here.
This is a question you have to ask someone else. We used to have some Calvinists here... perhaps you can find one in the CO parts of the forum.What Glory could possibly God get by sending anyone to hell? There is no "doxology" to God in hell
Also just because God created... and he knows when he will drink ...so? what? I see no connection there...His mom knows too...so?
And God, as it is said by some Christians, does not send anyone to Hell "just for fun"... he does it "for his Glory".
This is not the way responsibility works.
This is not a question of knowledge, but of power. Do you really have a string attached to your arm, like a marionette? Or do you have dominion?
Very simple stuff. And it won't change til you die.
This is a question you have to ask someone else. We used to have some Calvinists here... perhaps you can find one in the CO parts of the forum.
Could he create it different?
Responsibility goes were responsibility belongs.... THAT is the way it works. You are responsbible for your actions. You have to take that responsibility.Classic shirking of responsibility. Adam and Eve both tried that. Didn't work.
This is a question you have to ask someone else. We used to have some Calvinists here... perhaps you can find one in the CO parts of the forum.
Hm... yes, I have such a string attached to my arm. This string is called "causality".
You seem to have that notion that God jerks my arm the very instant I use my "free will".
But that is a false view... it makes that "marionette" analogy rather meaningless. A better view would be the robot, that we so often hear God does not want us to be.
I wraped my head around that twenty years ago... you are simply wrong here.
Responsibility goes were responsibility belongs.... THAT is the way it works. You are responsbible for your actions. You have to take that responsibility.
That does not absolve anyone else from their responsibilities... not even God.
Potter and clay... read Romans 9.
You are not a robot, and all causality lies with YOU.
The insinuation that God would be glorified by sending someone to Hell is in also totall contradiction to the love axiom...If God is love then how would he have to exhibit evil and also be 'glorified' through it? The God you are describing is not the Christian God. Ideologically there is a big gap here.
All causality lies with me?
Hey, great! So why are we still debating this question!
Atheists don't go to hell if they are good! (Caused by me)
Don't worry, I don't demand that you worship me now.
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