HouseApe said:Ronnee, this is not what the 2LOT says. It is like a cartoon caricature of the 2LOT. Because it is not, everything that follows is wrong.
I would bet that the folks who wrote the article also know that. I think you should be very concerned about why these folks would intentionally want to decieve you.
The 2LOT from wikipedia:
"The entropy of an isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value."
The article is wrong in so many ways, but at its simplest, remember that the earth is not an isolated system. It is constantly injected with new energy from the sun.
And atheism has nothing to do with evolution. Most atheists probably simply feel that evolution is the best theory explaining speciation on the planet. I know I would happily discard it if a better theory came around. Most Christians worldwide believe in evolution also. So it is really not a part of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy. At least not at my local secret underground clubhouse.
Ronnee743 said:It is preposterous to think something appeared from nothing.
That simply isn't possible.
MewtwoX said:Posting PRATTs won't get you very far. Arguments from the Second Law of Thermodynamics shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Thermodynamics in general.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF001.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html
Source:
Morris, Henry M., 1974. Scientific Creationism, Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 38-46.
Response:
The second law of thermodynamics says no such thing. It says that heat will not spontaneously flow from a colder body to a warmer one or, equivalently, that total entropy (a measure of useful energy) in a closed system will not decrease. This does not prevent increasing order because
the earth is not a closed system; sunlight (with low entropy) shines on it and heat (with higher entropy) radiates off. This flow of energy, and the change in entropy that accompanies it, can and will power local decreases in entropy on earth.
BibleMadeMeDoIt said:Ronnee743 said:So where does your God come from? He is something, right?
The atheist position is simple, they dont believe in God(s). Why is it so hard for you to understand?
Most Atheist I know seek to control no one else, but simply live their lives like everyone else.
Sorry but the world is not totally run by Christians and the majority of the world believes in other gods or no gods at all, not the Christian God.
Why hasn't Christianity been able to prove their religion to be the truth to majority of the world?
Could you please explain who these God believers deciding everything for the world are.
Don't skip out on this one like you did last time I replied to one of your post.
Actually, deconverting from religion is a process of overcoming theism. I see more people deconvert on these boards than convert.
Bible thumpers do not rule the world, bible thumpers are a minority in the world as a whole. It is estimated that the Christians make up 33% of the world's population, that means 67% of the world does NOT care about your bible.
Still my point is America, the world's leader and contoller because of its military, which are theists.
Duh.
Why can't you understand this?
LordoftheLeftHand said:So might makes right?!? Has Christianity really come full circle and is now back to the morality of Cain? Or is Ronnee just a maverick?
LLH
Ronnee743 said:At the dawn of recorded history or even before man wrote things down, why didn't atheists then begin to show their proof that there is no God?
If they had had any proof it could have been presented to Tablet- thumpers and right now they would live in an atheist world.
Theists were able since time began to take control and maintain it.
Now if there were no God, do atheists really think it could have gotten this far?
You are right, the majority of the world believes in God. Of course that is not evidence for the existence of god. Even if everyone in the world believed in god, it still wouldnt be evidence for his existence. I realize that your bar of what constitutes evidence must be considerably lower than mine. I dont try to model reality, based on popular opinion.Ronnee743 said:That is my entire point.
Those who believe in God have the upper hand.
I am simply stating a fact of the planet earth's history.
At the dawn of recorded history or even before man wrote things down, why didn't atheists then begin to show their proof that there is no God?
If they had had any proof it could have been presented to Tablet- thumpers and right now they would live in an atheist world.
This is my point in this entire discussion.
Theists were able since time began to take control and maintain it.
Now if there were no God, do atheists really think it could have gotten this far?
Atheists have had plenty of time and opportunity to present the proof of God's non-existence and here we are in the closing days of time and they are still living in a theist world.
How come?
Close, but no cigar:Ronnee743 said:That is my entire point.
Those who believe in God have the upper hand.
I am simply stating a fact of the planet earth's history.
Whice "closing days "are those?Atheists have had plenty of time and opportunity to present the proof of God's non-existence and here we are in the closing days of time and they are still living in a theist world.
LittleLambofJesus said:Whice "closing days "are those?
Whice "closing days "are those?
1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is nigh at hand; therefore be sober-minded and watchful in your prayers.
1 John 2:18 Little youths, it is the last hour; and even as ye heard that the antichrist doth come, even now antichrists have become many--whence we know that it is the last hour;
No christians that I know of. At least those who have been "clothed" in the Christ of the Bible I read.LordoftheLeftHand said:Haven't you heard? The end is nigh! The sky is falling!
I wonder how many people that profess this still invest, purchase insurance, and continue their education?
LLH
You can have mine if you can beat my Wife to it.arensb said:May I have their 401(k)s, then?
Ronnee743 said:It is not even possible for something to suddenly appear for no apparent reason and this is what atheism actually is..
When you refer to the "christian deity" are you referring to the God of the Bible? If so, why not just say the God of the Bible instead of just "christian" deity.Edx said:No it isnt. However the universe began is secondary. Im an atheist becuase I see no reason to believe in a higher power at all, much less a deity, much less a personal deity, much less the christian deity.
Ed
LittleLambofJesus said:When you refer to the "christian deity" are you referring to the God of the Bible? If so, why not just say the God of the Bible instead of just "christian" deity.
LordoftheLeftHand said:Haven't you heard? The end is nigh! The sky is falling!
I wonder how many people that profess this still invest, purchase insurance, and continue their education?
LLH
Ronnee743 said:Jesus told us, "Occupy until I come" (Luke 19.13)meaning to go into business and take care of your life as in going to college and living a normal life.
Eudaimonist said:What makes you think that such proof would have been accepted by the theists? You seem to assume that people gravitate towards the truth. But why would they? Why wouldn't most people gravitate toward what satisfies some emotional need?
It is apparent that since the dawn of recorded history and from what we have learned from archaeology that humans believe in God.
They at one time believed in many gods.
Ugarit discovery gave us much knowledge about early man.
They believed that one god was evil the other good.
But it wasn't until Moses and Israel that the world learned there is one living eternal God.
Nowhere is morality found as it is in the Law of Moses.
Hammarubi's code had some good stuff, but was not on the right track.
It was Hammurabi's code that brought Ishmael the ancestor of Muhammed into the world.
Look around, and see that right minded people gravitate to love.
Certain Greek philosophers (the Atomists) in the B.C. era argued that there is no life after death, and wrote such arguments down. Why don't we all believe that death is final?
The Greeks were not the Hebrews.
Moses changed everything.
God said he wrote his laws on our hearts...to do right is happy, to do wrong is unhappiness.
Atheists live in the theist world saying there is no God, but still live by the morals contained in the law of Moses.
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