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When pure selfishness drives a human, history has proven the deadliness of the position.

I overheard a coworker of mine say something that I've read in many theistic articles. I think it's a very misleading and ignorant opinion.

Most Theists were once Atheists. So, "ignorant" is not an accurate word to use for their position. Free thinker. Two words. One Christian.

I don't want to confront him about it, because he's a cool guy and I don't want to make things awkward.

Confront him if it makes you uncomfortable. Then you both can prove your psoitions.

What he said was that atheists don't have morals because they have no foundation for said morals.

He's wrong. Survival of the fittest and self serving actions drives atheist morals.

This argument gets nuttier as it goes on, but I'll just stick to the basic premise.

The basic premise that only does the personal opinion of the atheist and the consequences of violating laws drives their moral choices. It's a simple life.

I suppose it's relevant to say I'm an atheist. Just like a christian, I don't think It's a good thing to kill someone.

Why not?

Or cheat, or steal, or just generally be a dick.

Why not? What if you cannot be caught stealing or lying and what if you truly don't like someone your being a dick to?

I have compassion for my fellow man, just like you.

Why? HOW? What's the point? What goes around comes around sometimes (and usually) doesn't. Do lions care about gazelles? Why care about another animal if it cannot benefit you?

Atheism 101.

I want to help people, just like you do.

Why? There is s difference as to why between Atheists and Christians. One is to show the love of God in us, and one is to make someone healthy for tax and hedonistic reasons.

The only difference is, I don't need a 2000 year old book to come to this conclusion.

Know, you need five-thousand yeard old rote to do it.

Yet, christians do. Really? Actually, I don't think they do either. If you were to really follow the bible honestly, you would be ok with slavery, selling your daughter, and stoning people for working on sunday.

Oh and three-hundred yeard old rote as well. Here we go with atheism 102.

Of course your not ok with that, that would be horrible! So what do you do? Comprimise. Cherry pick. You have to use your own brain to cherrypick from the bible.

And we;ve rejected sexual licentiousness still. When are you going to get to gay activism and abortion rights pal. Cut to the chase dude.

You have to use your own thoughts, opinions, and, say it with me........MORALS. When it comes to morals, christians and atheists are practically neck and neck.

Not hardly pal. You make yourselves feel good and Christians suffer and die with those they help. And as history has shown us ( and not Biblical history, real newspapers today kind of stuff) Christians can die alone for just wanting to help others. Atheism does not drive this behavior on in anyone but suicidal people.

It's when the ambiguous morals come in that things get weird. Like homosexuals.

BINGO!!!!! Yatchee!!! Our survey says?

Gay activism.

The usual suspects in yet another thread. IF you used logic and reason AND evolution, atheism should be the loudest voice against homosexuality becoming supported and approved of as a behavior and action IN humans. Ah but the emotionalism of selfishness overrides all logic.

Really? Wouldn't you think denying someone's human right to choose who they want to be with immoral? That would take a lack of compassion to pull off. Wouldn't telling a child they're going to burn forever if they don't pray the right prayer, even though absoloutely no proof of said fire exists, be immoral?

Cut and pasting infidels.org are ya?

r o t e spells rote.

All I'm saying, is that the very basic message of most religions, including christianity, is "don't be a dick".

No pun intended?

Thats how I try to live my life, and the same can be said for most christians. It's the ones in power that scare me, and it's the ones not in power that put them there.

Interesting that atheists in power have piled up hundreds of millions of dead bodies don't you think?

Atheism and Christian thinking are not equal. Christians have come to decision to believe in God through observation and questioning and atheism is staying animal.

Two paths leading two different places. But hey, you got your gay thing in there and that's all important to atheism these days. That and billboards and lawsuits supporting atheism over the masses.

Same old same old.
 
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Most Theists were once Atheists. So, "ignorant" is not an accurate word to use for their position. Free thinker. Two words. One Christian.

This is not true. Most people were born into theistic families and unquestioningly follow what their parents taught them. Most people don't think much deeper that this. What world do you live in?
 
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This is not true. Most people were born into theistic families and unquestioningly follow what their parents taught them. Most people don't think much deeper that this. What world do you live in?

This one.

Now try responding rather than reacting:

When pure selfishness drives a human, history has proven the deadliness of the position.


Originally Posted by sugarpux
I overheard a coworker of mine say something that I've read in many theistic articles. I think it's a very misleading and ignorant opinion.
Most Theists were once Atheists. So, "ignorant" is not an accurate word to use for their position. Free thinker. Two words. One Christian.

I don't want to confront him about it, because he's a cool guy and I don't want to make things awkward.
Confront him if it makes you uncomfortable. Then you both can prove your psoitions.[/quote]​


What he said was that atheists don't have morals because they have no foundation for said morals.

He's wrong. Survival of the fittest and self serving actions drives atheist morals.​

This argument gets nuttier as it goes on, but I'll just stick to the basic premise.

The basic premise that only does the personal opinion of the atheist and the consequences of violating laws drives their moral choices. It's a simple life.​

I suppose it's relevant to say I'm an atheist. Just like a christian, I don't think It's a good thing to kill someone.
Why not?[

Or cheat, or steal, or just generally be a dick

Why not? What if you cannot be caught stealing or lying and what if you truly don't like someone your being a dick to?​

I have compassion for my fellow man, just like you.

Why? HOW? What's the point? What goes around comes around sometimes (and usually) doesn't. Do lions care about gazelles? Why care about another animal if it cannot benefit you?​

Atheism 101.​

I want to help people, just like you do.
Why? There is s difference as to why between Atheists and Christians. One is to show the love of God in us, and one is to make someone healthy for tax and hedonistic reasons.

The only difference is, I don't need a 2000 year old book to come to this conclusion.

No, you need five-thousand year old rote (writings) to do it.​

Yet, christians do. Really? Actually, I don't think they do either. If you were to really follow the bible honestly, you would be ok with slavery, selling your daughter, and stoning people for working on sunday.


Oh and three-hundred year old rote as well. Here we go with atheism 102.


Of course your not ok with that, that would be horrible! So what do you do? Comprimise. Cherry pick. You have to use your own brain to cherrypick from the bible.​
And we've rejected sexual licentiousness still. When are you going to get to gay activism and abortion rights pal. Cut to the chase dude.

You have to use your own thoughts, opinions, and, say it with me........MORALS. When it comes to morals, christians and atheists are practically neck and neck.
Not hardly pal. You make yourselves feel good and Christians suffer and die with those they help. And as history has shown us ( and not Biblical history, real newspapers today kind of stuff) Christians can die alone for just wanting to help others. Atheism does not drive this behavior on in anyone but suicidal people.​

It's when the ambiguous morals come in that things get weird. Like homosexuals.
BINGO!!!!! Yatchee!!! Our survey says?

Gay activism.​

The usual suspects in yet another thread. IF you used logic and reason AND evolution, atheism should be the loudest voice against homosexuality becoming supported and approved of as a behavior and action IN humans. Ah but the emotionalism of selfishness overrides all logic.​

Really? Wouldn't you think denying someone's human right to choose who they want to be with immoral? That would take a lack of compassion to pull off. Wouldn't telling a child they're going to burn forever if they don't pray the right prayer, even though absoloutely no proof of said fire exists, be immoral?
Cut and pasting infidels.org are ya?​

r o t e spells rote.​

All I'm saying, is that the very basic message of most religions, including christianity, is "don't be a dick".
No pun intended?​

Thats how I try to live my life, and the same can be said for most christians. It's the ones in power that scare me, and it's the ones not in power that put them there.
Interesting that atheists in power have piled up hundreds of millions of dead bodies don't you think?​

Atheism and Christian thinking are not equal. Christians have come to decision to believe in God through observation and questioning and atheism is staying animal.​

Two paths leading two different places. But hey, you got your gay thing in there and that's all important to atheism these days. That and billboards and lawsuits supporting atheism over the masses.​

Same old same old.​

 
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Interesting that atheists in power have piled up hundreds of millions of dead bodies don't you think?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning here, but hasn't the history of Christianity had it's dark times wherein multitudes of people were murdered? Isn't that one of the dangers of "power" misused, regardless of religious background?

I must be missing your point here.
 
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning here, but hasn't the history of Christianity had it's dark times wherein multitudes of people were murdered? Isn't that one of the dangers of "power" misused, regardless of religious background?

I must be missing your point here.

He will claim that somehow when those Christians acted badly, they weren't really Christians they were acting like Atheists, leftists, "the usual suspects". We've been down this road with him. He just doesn't want to see it and there are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
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Atheism and Christian thinking are not equal. Christians have come to decision to believe in God through observation and questioning and atheism is staying animal.​

Aren't both arrived at from observation and questioning? People sometimes leave Christianity via that same method. People sometimes join Christianity based on "feeling".
 
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Christian belief states moral code is written on our souls by God.

Beliefs are beliefs. Statements are something else, unless you're stating your beliefs. ;)

But mainly, please explain in detail, your - "written on our souls by God" belief. How exactly does that work? If you don't know all the details, that's okay. Just give me your best thumbnail sketch of the belief.
 
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Theists that point to a book/word as their moral compass sometimes devalue the impact of socialized empathy on themselves and others. Even a strong atheist believing there is no god or punishment/reward in the afterlife will empathize with his fellow man and act like he hopes he'll be treated. The emotion of empathy is very real and quite compelling to the point that it's hard for many to act against it. It's what resonates as truth to some Christians as they read the bible. Well guess what... that emotion/feeling is inside the atheist as well and he acts on it as much as theists do.
 
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Well guess what... that emotion/feeling is inside the atheist as well and he acts on it as much as theists do.


Do you suggest then, that Max P is correct in stating:

"moral code is written on our souls by God"



Except, of course, I left out the implication in his original post that it is (or might be) exclusively Christian.


(No offense intended to atheists.)
 
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Do you suggest then, that Max P is correct in stating:

"moral code is written on our souls by God"



Except, of course, I left out the implication in his original post that it is (or might be) exclusively Christian.


(No offense intended to atheists.)
no I said socialized empathy. It could have genetic roots as I can see how empathy could be a survival trait.
 
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