Atheism. What are your thoughts?

[someguy14]

The accretion of matter in the nebular cloud that preceded the solar system.

I hear big words, but no explanation of where that comes from.

As do the Qur'an and the Vedas. Anyone can posit a guess, but science offers real explanations that can be tested and verified.

Your science offers "theroies". Maybe, I guess, perhaps, it could be this or that. No resoultion. And then trys to up the ante with "educated guesses" as it's new title. Come on. Science offers no answers as to where space came from, yes a challenge, but since perhaps none have challenged so called "scientists", "scientists" have stopped with a big bang "theory" and offer that slop to people and consider themselves "intelligent"? Haha. Qu'ran does not offer to treat every person with love and treat every persons prioritys above their own. I have no idea about "vedas", but if it doesnt agree with love, it fails also.

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[someguy14]

We don't know. The evidence tells us that there is indeed a Big Bang, but we do not yet know what, if anything, caused it.

Exactly. That "science" does not have answers, only theorys. Mere theorys. X-files offers theorys, should they be regarded as authority to truth? God forbid.

God provides an answer. The logical thing to do is enquire the source and test it.

 

[someguy14]

I've never made such a claim. Please do not put words into my mouth.

So you admit the possiblity of a God. It is wise friend. God forbid I lie about your beliefs.

 

[someguy14]

Where would you like me to start?

Any where you desire. It is your claim. It is your choice. I have stated mine.

 

[3rdHeaven]

And I'm waiting for you to point to anywhere in this thread where I made such an assertion.

I laid it all out for you, I couldn't be more generous. Quote me, please, where I ever once asserted (as you explicitly state) that the universe is older than the Big Bang. Again, you assert that I am of this opinion - yet I am not. Where have I ever stated such a thing? I'm truly baffled, both by your continual assertion that I believe such a thing, and your dogged refusal to prove that I ever said such a thing.

Then why this back and forth if u agree the universe came in to being *after* the big bang?

 

[someguy14]

Except, you haven't. "Goddidit" is not an explanation, it's a placeholder for a real explanation. More to the point, we scientists are interested in testable explanations, explanations that actually hold water when you poke them, which can stand on their own empirical merits.

"Goddidit" is not testable, and so is no more believable than "The Flying Spaghetti Monster did it".

God did it is testable friend. We have 66 books to study and apply to our lives. Does He require one to believe in order to understand? Yes. A resounding yes. Test them, apply them to your life. A scientist will risk His life to find the truth for the good of mankind, perhaps. Test it. Do not be afraid. One cannot go wrong following goodness and applying it to their lives. Praise God, truely glorify God, thank Him. He has promised that when he is lifted, one will know that Jesus is of God. How can you go wrong? If it is true, you have gained the knowledge in order to press forward in your research. Your free to return to the state of your orignal state.

Spaghetti is delicious, but it is a creation, not The Creator.

If your afraid, you will not test whether God is real, and be lacking the evidence that you require in order to make a true summary of the truth of God, therefore, not a source of reliable inquiry for truth.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Then why this back and forth if u agree the universe came in to being *after* the big bang?

Oh for pete's sake, you KNOW he hasn't agreed to any such thing. You're just badgering him for no reason. Which is unbecoming.

 

[someguy14]

I don't think you quite understand how science works. First, no one demands ultimate proof unless someone asserts they have it. Second, scientific parlance is couched in the probablistic simply because we don't say more than we know - if the evidence shows a 95% correlation, we're going to say there's a 95% correlation. If the evidence shows that a drug probably cures this disease, then we're going to say the drug probably cures the disease.

Ultimate proof? It is either truth or it isn't.
We can polishan assumption(theory) or we can call for what it is, a guess. regardless of how much research went into it.

Truth is truth. A tree is a tree. Not maybe a tree cause, cause. It is actually a tree. That is a truth. Provide evidence of where the place a big bang theory started or admit that you don't know and not a reliable source for that information.

 

[spiritualwarrior77]

We don't know. The evidence tells us that there is indeed a Big Bang, but we do not yet know what, if anything, caused it.

So much for cause and effect.
Are you saying you are are open to the possibility of an 'effect' without a 'cause'?
Is this not somewhat unscientific?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Waiting for some thing older then the big bang..

Before the Big Bang: Scientists find cosmic radiation older than the universe


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Provide evidence of where the place a big bang theory started or admit that you don't know and not a reliable source for that information.

The big bang "started" everywhere.

 

[someguy14]

Oh for pete's sake, you KNOW he hasn't agreed to any such thing. You're just badgering him for no reason. Which is unbecoming.

Your suggesting he does not have an answer and therefore is not a reliable source. To suggest that he has authority to give answers and we don't, suggests he was "badgering" us for no reason.

The fact that the teachings of Jesus have stand true around 2000 earthly years is proof that those against Jesus teachings cannot prove Jesus teachings wrong.

Your offering no incentive to disbelieve The Holy Bible. We offer testimony upon testimony that it is true and have never failed with the truth of Jesus teachings. How come you insist on calling us liars by saying that The Holy Bible is false and yet act as though your being abused when we prove it is true?

How much pain must we endure from those that hate The Bible, and curse at it, before they realize that they are the ones causing the problem in the world?

 

[spiritualwarrior77]

I have no idea about "vedas", but if it doesnt agree with love, it fails also.

Love is not a strong feature of the Veda's.
Unlike the Bible which talks about it frequently.
In the King James version for example

the word - love - appears 314 times
the word - love's - appears once
the word - loved - appears 98 times
the word - lovedst - appears twice
the word - lovely - appears 4 times
the word - lover - appears 4 times
the word - lovers - appears 23 times
the word - loves - appears twice
the word - lovest - appears 12 times
the word - loveth - appears 65 times
the word - loving - appears 3 times
the word - lovingkindness - appears 26 times
the word - lovingkindnesses - appears 4 times

 

[3rdHeaven]

Before the Big Bang: Scientists find cosmic radiation older than the universe


eudaimonia,

Mark

Thanks Mark, read this before but is not really solid evidence as these "circles" they think they detect could be some thing entirely different. Using cosmic microwave background radiation to date some thing is rather a bit of a stretch. Looking for something to indicate some thing existed before the big bang would need to find some thing older then the big bang.

One interesting theory yet to be proven and impossible to test would be the membrane theory (M-Theory), which could provide a way for some thing to have existed before the big bang. Colliding membranes could I suppose spark a big bang and creation of a new universe, and if membranes do exist, could happen all the time.

 

[Eudaimonist]

How much pain must we endure from those that hate The Bible, and curse at it, before they realize that they are the ones causing the problem in the world?

Spare us your victimism. Christians cause their share of problems in the world.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Thanks Mark, read this before but is not really solid evidence as these "circles" they think they detect could be some thing entirely different. Using cosmic microwave background radiation to date some thing is rather a bit of a stretch.

I'm not saying that it is "solid evidence". I'm not sure what you could possibly take as evidence though, if cosmic microwave background radiation isn't enough.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

The big bang "started" everywhere.

God created all things.

 

[someguy14]

Spare us your victimism. Christians cause their share of problems in the world.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Name one thing Jesus does that offends a non believer. Love?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Your suggesting he does not have an answer and therefore is not a reliable source.

I suggested no such thing. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

To suggest that he has authority to give answers and we don't, suggests he was "badgering" us for no reason.

He's not badgering "us". He's badgering a particular poster.

How come you insist on calling us liars by saying that The Holy Bible is false and yet act as though your being abused when we prove it is true?

I don't call Christians liars. You're putting words in my mouth again. that's not really Christian.... is it...

 

[3rdHeaven]

I'm not saying that it is "solid evidence". I'm not sure what you could possibly take as evidence though, if cosmic microwave background radiation isn't enough.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Mark I'm open to all ideas. I would need some thing more concrete then background noise tho. I'm sure if some one else was claiming background noise indicated God or intelligent design you would be on the same page as me