Atheism refuted indisputably.

[SavedByChrist94]

Simple Logic and Scientific Princple of Cause and Effect.

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

A MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind, our Cause cannot lack properties for a Mind/Free Will/Awareness as those properties are derived from the Cause.

In Layman's terms, you cannot give what you Do Not have.

Our cause therefore cannot be MindLESS, that is now proven impossible.

Atheism is false, our cause is a Mind.(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

 

[Davian]

 

[SavedByChrist94]

The title of Indisputable stands, as you were incapable of even attempting a rebuttal, simply posting a photo which makes a claim with no evidence, and no rebuttal.

 

[madaz]

Simple Logic and Scientific Princple of Cause and Effect.

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example I have a Laptop, the Cause contains Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

A MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind, our Cause cannot lack properties for a Mind/Free Will/Awareness as those properties are derived from the Cause.

In Layman's terms, you cannot give what you Do Not have.

Our cause therefore cannot be MindLESS, that is now proven impossible.

Atheism is false, our cause is a Mind.(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

whut??

 

[variant]

The title of Indisputable stands, as you were incapable of even attempting a rebuttal, simply posting a photo which makes a claim with no evidence, and no rebuttal.

We're incapable of making a rebuttal because the argument presented isn't coherent.

 

[Mainframes]

Simple Logic and Scientific Princple of Cause and Effect.

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example I have a Laptop, the Cause contains Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

What does this even mean?

 

[Mainframes]

Cats are mammals therefore sugar.....

 

[SavedByChrist94]

Cats are mammals therefore sugar.....

Off topic and nonsensical.

What does this even mean?

We're incapable of making a rebuttal because the argument presented isn't coherent.

whut??

I see, you are incapable of reading a rudimentary writing.

Lets make this easier for you:

1, A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example: I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

2, A MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind, our Cause cannot lack properties for a Mind/Free Will/Awareness as those properties are derived from the Cause.

In Layman's terms, you cannot give what you Do Not have.

3, Our cause therefore cannot be MindLESS, that is now proven impossible.

Atheism is false, our cause is a Mind.(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

The fact that you didn't even understand/comprehend the Layman's Term(You cannot give what you do not have) shows you either lack basic comprehension or you're being dishonest.

I'll go with dishonest, as there's no way that the 3 of you that dense, you simply evaded.

 

[variant]

I see, you are incapable of reading a rudimentary writing.

Yeah it must be everyone else.

Lets make this easier for you:

1, A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example: I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

2, A MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind, our Cause cannot lack properties for a Mind/Free Will/Awareness as those properties are derived from the Cause.

In Layman's terms, you cannot give what you Do Not have.

3, Our cause therefore cannot be MindLESS, that is now proven impossible.

Atheism is false, our cause is a Mind.(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

The fact that you didn't even understand/comprehend the Layman's Term(You cannot give what you do not have) shows you either lack basic comprehension or you're being dishonest.

I'll go with dishonest, as there's no way that the 3 of you that dense, you simply evaded.

Still nonsense.

 

[Freodin]

Simple Logic and Scientific Princple of Cause and Effect.

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

A MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind, our Cause cannot lack properties for a Mind/Free Will/Awareness as those properties are derived from the Cause.

In Layman's terms, you cannot give what you Do Not have.

Our cause therefore cannot be MindLESS, that is now proven impossible.

Atheism is false, our cause is a Mind.(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

Material existence, existence in time, limited existence, causality... all that are properties of the "Effect".

So according to this logic, the cause must have the same properties.

YHWH is thus composed of matter, is limited and bound to time. And, oh, yes!... he is caused.

Thanks for playing. Try again.

 

[dysert]

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

So are you saying that if I knit a wool sweater I must have the properties of wool?

 

[Shemjaza]

Things in the universe are fallible... therefore the creator of the universe is fallible?

Humans have a sinful nature... therefore their creator has a sinful nature?

I don't think you'll find this argument technique will work with some of your axioms (or you are a very strange sort of Christian).

 

[SavedByChrist94]

Things in the universe are fallible... therefore the creator of the universe is fallible?

No, as the Cause always has greater properties than the Effect.

Humans have a sinful nature... therefore their creator has a sinful nature?

Sinful nature is nowhere in the Bible, nowhere does it teach that YHWH created us with Sin, Sin(harm) is an action people will to do.

Learn before you speak -> savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-is-sin.html

Yeah it must be everyone else.

Argumentum ad populum Fallacy. According to your logic if there's a 1000 people who believe the Earth is Flat, and I debate them and prove them wrong, then I must be wrong because I'm 1 guy against 1000 right?

No, Amount of people agreeing with you does not make your argument a fact, you committed the Argumentum ad populum Fallacy.

Still nonsense.

Claim not proof, also you committed the Proof by Repeated Assertion fallacy.

Material existence, existence in time, limited existence, causality... all that are properties of the "Effect".

So according to this logic, the cause must have the same properties.

YHWH is thus composed of matter, is limited and bound to time. And, oh, yes!... he is caused.

Thanks for playing. Try again.

YHWH(God: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) does have the property of Matter, Time, etc, He created them:

Acts 17:48 - "for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children."

You ought to read the Bible more before you speak.

Now, whereas a MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind and therefore could not have caused Minds/Humanity

That poor attempt backfired on you.

 

[High Fidelity]

Linking your own blog as a reference/source to reinforce an opinion isn't the best idea in a debate.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The thread title is already as wrong as it gets. There's nothing in atheism to "refute" because atheism doesn't make any claims. Atheism is the response to a claim. It's not a claim by itself. It's a single position on a single issue.

Simple Logic and Scientific Princple of Cause and Effect.

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

A MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind, our Cause cannot lack properties for a Mind/Free Will/Awareness as those properties are derived from the Cause.

In Layman's terms, you cannot give what you Do Not have.

Our cause therefore cannot be MindLESS, that is now proven impossible.

Atheism is false, our cause is a Mind.(YHWH: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit)

Regardless of the non-sensical construct that you call "an argument", let's have some fun with this.

It seems to me that this line of reasoning means that humans are incapable of causing plastic to exist, because humans aren't made of plastic.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

Linking your own blog as a reference/source to reinforce an opinion isn't the best idea in a debate.

Genetic Fallacy

The thread title is already as wrong as it gets. There's nothing in atheism to "refute" because atheism doesn't make any claims. Atheism is the response to a claim. It's not a claim by itself. It's a single position on a single issue.

Nope, the term Atheism derives from the Greek word Atheos, which means Godless/No God. Ism means the Belief.

Such as Theos Ism, that's Theism.

Atheism is Atheos Ism, the Belief that God "doesn't" exist.

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Regardless of the non-sensical construct that you call "an argument", let's have some fun with this.

It seems to me that this line of reasoning means that humans are incapable of causing plastic to exist, because humans aren't made of plastic.

Humans didn't cause the Plastic/Laptop to exist, they simply put it together, Not Cause it to Exist. so it's in no way analogous to the OP argument.

Try Again.

 

[Shemjaza]

No, as the Cause always has greater properties than the Effect.

Care to back up this assertion? How do you deal with the "first cause" problem?

Sinful nature is nowhere in the Bible, nowhere does it teach that YHWH created us with Sin, Sin(harm) is an action people will to do.

Learn before you speak -> savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-is-sin.html

Lay off the tone. I may not believe in sin, but humanity having a sinful nature is hardly an uncommon view within Christianity.

I read your blog post, and I think you are unclear. Sin is harm... but you also define sin as disobeying God.

What about harmless things that (at times) have been forbidden by God: Getting a tattoo, eating pork, getting some work done on a Sunday?

YHWH(God: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) does have the property of Matter, Time, etc, He created them:

Has the property of matter, so where is he? How much does he weigh? How fast can her travel?

Now, whereas a MindLESS entity(or Nothing) lacks the properties of a Mind and therefore could not have caused Minds/Humanity

Why is a mind required for a mind to develop? You have repeatedly asserted this, but not backed it up.

A snow flake requires water to form... but the structure is not found in the material that forms it, it emerges naturally from the behavior of the chemicals. I see no reason not to accept human minds emerging just as naturally from the physical matter that makes up our brains.

 

[RichardParker]

A Cause must have the properties of the Effect, so if for example: I have a Laptop which is composed of Plastic, the Cause must contain Plastic, the Cause cannot lack Plastic as the Plastic derived from the Cause.

That is SO true!
After all, always when I boil water for the purpose of cooking, I also need to boil first, because I can't cause I must first have the same properties as the effect I'm causing.

Makes it always really uncomfortable, when I have to take a dump, though.
After all, poo doesn't smell that nice. And I can't produce poo, until I have the same properties, which means I always have to first start smelling like [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], whenever I want to take a dump.

Gee, life has become so complicated since YHWH has been conclusivly proven

 

[Shemjaza]

Nope, the term Atheism derives from the Greek word Atheos, which means Godless/No God. Ism means the Belief.

Such as Theos Ism, that's Theism.

Atheism is Atheos Ism, the Belief that God "doesn't" exist.

Irrelevant. The vast majority of atheists define themselves as lacking belief in deities not the absolute assertion that none exist.

You are arguing with a straw man.

 

[RichardParker]

Has the property of matter, so where is he? How much does he weigh? How fast can her travel?

Good point.
Not to forget: Aren't we all sinners? So, god must be sinner too, right? We can't have the property of being sinners, unless god is one as well.
Also, our universe is slowly, but inevitably running out of usuable energy, and will eventually die a heat-death...
So... god will die a heat-death too? Will this happen before the universe dies?