Atheism and Ghosts

[Robban]

Neither do I. Want to go to the pub?

:cheers:

Could not help but notice

 

[Radrook]

BTW
An atheist need not believe in gods, God, or the supernatural to believe that man isn't inherently and completely a material being.

 

[cloudyday2]

BTW
An atheist need not believe in gods, God, or the supernatural to believe that man isn't inherently and completely a material being.

That is true, but as a practical matter most atheists believe in metaphysical naturalism. As soon as an atheist abandons metaphysical naturalism to accommodate some paranormal experience then it is a slippery slope and the atheist might eventually become a theist. It isn't very easy to distinguish between a poltergeist and a god anyway.

 

[quatona]

That is true, but as a practical matter most atheists believe in metaphysical naturalism. As soon as an atheist abandons metaphysical naturalism to accommodate some paranormal experience then it is a slippery slope and the atheist might eventually become a theist. It isn't very easy to distinguish between a poltergeist and a god anyway.

Then again, not being a metaphysical naturalism in no way suggests that you believe in gods and/or poltergeists.

 

[cloudyday2]

Then again, not being a metaphysical naturalism in no way suggests that you believe in gods and/or poltergeists.

That is true.

 

[brinny]

Ghosts, or more specifically "ghosting" is a phenomenon, not a classification of entity.

Metalhysically, a ghost is an entity that is "out of phase" with a particular dimension. When you see pop culture elaborate on entities with white sheets, transparent immaterial bodies, and extreme features - it is a reference to the phenomenon of phasing/ghosting. Everything else are interpreted details.

Ghost may or may not be demons, angels, humans, or other entities. In those cases, we would need to use the correct terms.

For example, Christ upon resurrection was "ghosting/phasing" when He said not to touch Him because He had not ascended yet. He was certainly not a demon; perfection became Him, and as a consequence of resurrection, He was categorically "out of phase" with the dimensions in which we live.

I have experienced physical demonic attack, poltergeist attacks, witch attacks, spiritual assaults, and other supernatural phenomenon. Unexained by science (in fact, I went to school for science to attempt to naturally understand the phenomena.) It certainly happens, and the experiences are not like Hollywood. Hollywood romanticize almost every aspect of supernature - which is dangerous for the viewers who 1)don't believe in the stuff, 2) have had no experience in it and 3) don't have the resources to defend one''s self. Those resources are spiritual in nature; no EVPs, Tesla coil, or other "scientific" defenses wi work unless they have been warded.

Ghost is a misnomer, but the world from which it comes is very real and dangerous. Most people do not talk about it ease the knee jerk reaction of others is dismissal or disbelief. It invalidates them. I would caution all to have an open, discerning mind rather than one forged on the programming of what is perceivable possible, and real.

On the other hand, I wouldnt want someone to be vindicated of the spiritual world like most of us have - through maligned attacks and assaults even with witnesses present.

What do you mean, that Christ was "ghosting"?

 

[brinny]

Demons are disembodied spirits. Specifically, they are the union of human women and angels. Because they had physical bodies, but spirits from their angel fathers, when they died they were damned to roam the earth forever. They long for a physical vessel to fill so that they can experience life. This is why the demons Legion begged Christ to send them into swine instead of to Judgment. Any vessel will do, and demons therefore can sometimes be associated with haunting in which objects are determined to have spiritual attachments to them. Because demons have this physical succeptibility, they can be exploited and forced to interact with matter. Solomon had God-given rings that controlled demons (Lord of the Rings before it was a book.) Demons usually attack their enemies, and work for humans who use them for magick. However, humans who exploit demon magick for gain in this life do so with the agreement that their lives belong to the demon after death (this is why many witches, sorcerers, mages and so on are obsessed with immortality: when they die they become the slaves of the demons they used to gain power during their lives. Notice, this is also how Djinn/Jinn/Geenies are described. Possession is one of the highest feats for a demon.

Poltergeist are principalities, powers, archons and sometimes demons whose domain is fluidly interdimensional, with the ability to interact with matter like humans. Moreover, poltergeist also have EM succeptibility, and can affect the EM spectrum, and can be affected by it. Poltergeist usually have agenda: for example, poltergeist activity can occur when pet owners move into a residence which the previous tenant used for animal sacrifices. Maybe a poltergeist wants to inflict as much pain as possible. They do not seem to long for possession of physical vessels, and are "content" with their plan of existence, and how it interacts with out dimension.

Witches are simply living entities (humans) that have exchanged a portion or all of the dominion of their soul with a demon or principality in exchange for power. Witches sorcerers, and real magick does exist, and interdimensional beings demons and principalities are exploited for power by many of them. Some are the "hocus pocus" type, many are clandestine in practice and display.

There are also demons that set to scare their enemies to death. One example of this is sleep paralysis with the feeling of breathlessness, and a heavy weight on the chest. Another is downright physical attack.

From whence do you get this information?

 

[Paul Yohannan]

For example, Christ upon resurrection was "ghosting/phasing" when He said not to touch Him because He had not ascended yet. He was certainly not a demon; perfection became Him, and as a consequence of resurrection, He was categorically "out of phase" with the dimensions in which we live.

Docetism! At any rate St. Thomas did touch Him.

 

[Aryeh]

Docetism! At any rate St. Thomas did touch Him.

No, he said this Himself.

Only that instance was He not yet; His life was real, and his suffering was real. Not docetism. He was a man who is percect, and died an excruciating and humiliating death for our sake.

The process of transfiguration, transsubstantiation, or "ghosting" was a consequence of His perfection, and reward for His perfection.

It doesn't in any way imply He was not really going through the human process. One day, when we get our act together we will realize the process Christ Himself described is a mere step in resurrection.

 

[Aryeh]

From whence do you get this information?

The bible, apocrypha, history, mythology - extensive research in languages and etymology.

Enoch, and the Book of Archons and Principalities explains it very well.

I don't care about church authority, or canon. I go where the info is; it would be foolish of me to reject something because another man said so - unless His name is Christ.

 

[brinny]

The bible, apocrypha, history, mythology - extensive research in languages and etymology.

Enoch, and the Book of Archons and Principalities explains it very well.

I don't care about church authority, or canon. I go where the info is; it would be foolish of me to reject something because another man said so - unless His name is Christ.

What is the origin of these sources?

 

[brinny]

Would you be so kind as to respond to post #106?

Thank you.

 

[Aryeh]

What do you mean, that Christ was "ghosting"?

"Do not touch me, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED...."

Christ was in the middle of the process of resurrection. Part of resurrection into a new body is transsubstantiation/transfiguration - literally changing the substance of the body.

Christ''s bodily substance was changing; He said not to touch Him because He hadn't yet ascended.

When I said "ghosting," I mean the process of interdimensional [in]substantiation. In other words, ghosting isn't about ghosts: it is a dimensional shift.

I explained this in my earlier post in this thread. I was not saying Christmas was a ghost. As I described b3fore, "ghosting" is interdimensional (quantum fluxuation) shifts. You can be "in phase" with our observable dimension in all areas except a few - like tangibility, sound, etc.

 

[Aryeh]

What is the origin of these sources?

What do you mean?

The origin of the bible, Enoch, etc.?

Or, did you want chapters, verses, and exact places where these books and sources explain?

 

[brinny]

"Do not touch me, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED...."

Christ was in the middle of the process of resurrection. Part of resurrection into a new body is transsubstantiation/transfiguration - literally changing the substance of the body.

Christ''s bodily substance was changing; He said not to touch Him because He hadn't yet ascended.

When I said "ghosting," I mean the process of interdimensional [in]substantiation. In other words, ghosting isn't about ghosts: it is a dimensional shift.

I explained this in my earlier post in this thread. I was not saying Christmas was a ghost. As I described b3fore, "ghosting" is interdimensional (quantum fluxuation) shifts. You can be "in phase" with our observable dimension in all areas except a few - like tangibility, sound, etc.

What authority are you basing this on?

Thank you kindly.

 

[brinny]

What do you mean?

The origin of the bible, Enoch, etc.?

Or, did you want chapters, verses, and exact places where these books and sources explain?

Yes, if you would not mind.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Aryeh]

What authority are you basing this on?

Thank you kindly.

Besides prayer, the Holy spirit, and my own research methods and knowledge base?

 

[Aryeh]

Yes, if you would not mind.

Thank you kindly.

That... would be almost counterproductive to do.

But first, do you believe the Sons of God of Genesis 6 were angels, and that an angel-human event of copulation occurred that spawned half-angel, half-human abominations?

Or, do you think the sons of God are sons of Seth - human?

I would need to know this before I even suggest a direction. I don't like doing the work for the selective pleasure of dismissal almost on a whim; so I am reluctant to dig deep and compile sources (that I spent decades researching) so that the consideration of it ends a post later.

If you don't mind, I would like to know your stance on the Genesis 6 issue before I attempt to move on.