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Some folks think that the number of people who die in a cause automatically justify the cause. For instance, the number of people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the bombs justify Japan's role in WWII and make heroes of the soldiers who sacked Nanking.How would martyrs make a difference?
Do they differ in some measurable way? Explain.Yup. You just have to know how to do the tests. The results of the tests are undeniable. Only a person who is deceived would deny them.Does this "testing" differ significantly from the process of self-deception?
Yes they do. But it's the type of tests you have to do yourself to experience results in some measurable way. It's unfortunate you don't know how to do them.Do they differ in some measurable way? Explain.
Wow -- just wow.How would martyrs make a difference?
There is a force at work that astronomers cannot detect the cause. They call that cause dark-matter. I call it God-energy.
Can you provide evidence it is dark-matter and not God-energy?
Yes they do. But it's the type of tests you have to do yourself to experience results in some measurable way. It's unfortunate you don't know how to do them.
Wow -- just wow.
Stephen's martyrdom was instrumental in Saul's conversion.
And as Tertullian put it: "The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church."
Um, nope.
You seem very deep into denial. How does one talk themselves into
say, the burning bush? Answered prayer?
Have you even read the bible?
How about when one prays for a sign from God and a light source immediately appears where there should be none?
Or when prayer is specifically answered? Luck?
Or the many prayers for safety of missionaries and they actually see angels protecting them? Mass delusion?
Yes, some prayers are not according to God's will so they don't get
answered. Do you expect every idle prayer to be answered?
Wow -- just wow.
Stephen's martyrdom was instrumental in Saul's conversion.
And as Tertullian put it: "The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church."
Many, many people claimed to see Elvis after he died.
Guess what? Elvis is still dead.
Are there any I-seen-Elvis martyrs, that you know of?
Until I hear of I-seen-Elvis martyrs, I'll subordinate I-seen-Elvis believers to Christians any day.The existence of (or stories of) martyrs is not an indication of the veracity of religious claims. That they believed something to be true does not make it true.
A lot more than I-seen-Elvis spotters; yet not nearly as much as Christian martyrs.You must be really impressed with al-qaida, IS, etc.
Wow -- just wow.
Stephen's martyrdom was instrumental in Saul's conversion.
And as Tertullian put it: "The blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church."
No.There are plenty of Muslim martys. Does that make Islam true?
Because Muslims believe that too and you refuse to dwell on that commonality.No.
And for the record, why do you guys dwell on commonalities between Christianity & Islam, but refuse to dwell on the one commonality between our "38,000" denominations: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD?
Not for the same reason you guys do, though.Because Muslims believe that too and you refuse to dwell on that commonality.
I don't think you'd know true Muslims if they built one of the largest mosques in Europe in your capital.Spoken like a true Muslim.
As the Muslims would say about you.Not for the same reason you guys do, though.
You guys bury your heads in the sand about it.
We don't.
We address it right up front.
Their God is a false idol.
And yours is a book, a graven image. I think it is amusing that religious people who disagree about almost everything in religion, all think that God agrees with them. I, for one, would have several disagreements with the Abrahamic god.Their God is a false idol.
Get in line -- there's a shrewdness of scientists in front of you.I, for one, would have several disagreements with the Abrahamic god.
So true theology = true reality? or does "your theology" = "your reality"?Of course as a panentheist, my theology is determined by reality,
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