Yes all it will do is confuse him even more.
We laugh but creationism is not really funny when you see the damage it can do and has already done, it's not funny at all.
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At what point does 'Untrue' become 'True'?
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We laugh but creationism is not really funny when you see the damage it can do and has already done, it's not funny at all.
EternalDragon
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I have tons of personal information and have actually been spoken
to by demonic entities. But then they are only words typed here. I
don't expect you to believe me but there it is. Personal evidence.
Otherwise I probably wouldn't be a believer either.
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EternalDragon
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I've never heard voices and yeah before I was a believer.
I don't see what that would matter. If God wasn't there it
would be the same as being an unbeliever and I would have
no personal experiences.
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EternalDragon
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Um, nope.
You seem very deep into denial. How does one talk themselves into
say, the burning bush? Answered prayer?
Have you even read the bible?
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How does someone talk themselves into believing stories in books? Not that difficult if someone really wants them to be true.
Answered prayer? Did you forget that no matter what happens, christians will conclude that a prayer was answered? Pray for the health of a loved one. If the loved one dies, it was God's will and the prayer was answered. If the loved one gets better, God answered the prayer.
Like a gambler, people tend to forget all of the unanswered prayers and only remember the answered ones.
Have you read the Quran? The Vedas?
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Popular belief does not alter reality.
For instance:
At one time, the Aristotelean version of the 'World' (what we call the Universe) was accepted by just about everyone. The Earth - our planet - was the center of everything, and the Sun (our Sun, Sol), Moon and so forth revolved around the Earth. All the 'scientists' - in those days 'natural philosophers' agreed, the Church agreed, saying the Bible said so and so forth.
Somewhere in the past - eh - 400 to 500 years, the reality of the Sun being the center of the solar system, and the solar system being a rather minor part of everything became obvious. Then in the early part of the 20th Century, Edwin Hubble (and crew) made discoveries which made the Universe much, much bigger than our Galaxy and the solar system even more minor.
For instance:
At one time, all Western scientists believed in the phlogiston theory. In the last decade of the 18th Century, 'oxygen' came to the fore.
Perhaps in some future time, we will find something that rules out the Universe theory (I have no idea how) and possibly we will find out that 'oxygen' is a red herring as well. (No, I have no thought on what that might be.)
For instance:
Sir Issac Newton figured out the laws of gravitation. Then in the early years of the 20th Century, Albert Einstein discovered Newton's laws were correct, but ONLY in a special case; Earth's gravity field. Einstein discovered deeper rules, resulting in 'Relativistic Gravity'.
None of this depends on popular acceptance. It only depends on reproducible evidence. At least, under the rules of scientific methodology. I suppose the 'rules of scientific methodology' might be wrong, but they seem to work in practice; so I guess we'll have to shuffle along with them.
My underlying understandings of the Universe - such as they are - suggest there are 'truths' which are real and solid despite popular opinion. My understandings are based on the history of 'discovery'. Mathematics, for instance, seem to exist unseen, waiting to be discovered. (Pythagorus did not INVENT the hypotenuse theory; he discovered and developed it.) (By the way, it works for all triangles if one adds in the cosine of the opposite angle. Sort of like the addition to Newtonian gravity.)
Additionally, I know beyond doubt that all concepts cannot be 'proven' using scientific methods. Not everything in existence is material. (Notice I didn't write 'the Universe', I wrote 'existence'.)
For instance:
At one time, the Aristotelean version of the 'World' (what we call the Universe) was accepted by just about everyone. The Earth - our planet - was the center of everything, and the Sun (our Sun, Sol), Moon and so forth revolved around the Earth. All the 'scientists' - in those days 'natural philosophers' agreed, the Church agreed, saying the Bible said so and so forth.
Somewhere in the past - eh - 400 to 500 years, the reality of the Sun being the center of the solar system, and the solar system being a rather minor part of everything became obvious. Then in the early part of the 20th Century, Edwin Hubble (and crew) made discoveries which made the Universe much, much bigger than our Galaxy and the solar system even more minor.
For instance:
At one time, all Western scientists believed in the phlogiston theory. In the last decade of the 18th Century, 'oxygen' came to the fore.
Perhaps in some future time, we will find something that rules out the Universe theory (I have no idea how) and possibly we will find out that 'oxygen' is a red herring as well. (No, I have no thought on what that might be.)
For instance:
Sir Issac Newton figured out the laws of gravitation. Then in the early years of the 20th Century, Albert Einstein discovered Newton's laws were correct, but ONLY in a special case; Earth's gravity field. Einstein discovered deeper rules, resulting in 'Relativistic Gravity'.
None of this depends on popular acceptance. It only depends on reproducible evidence. At least, under the rules of scientific methodology. I suppose the 'rules of scientific methodology' might be wrong, but they seem to work in practice; so I guess we'll have to shuffle along with them.
My underlying understandings of the Universe - such as they are - suggest there are 'truths' which are real and solid despite popular opinion. My understandings are based on the history of 'discovery'. Mathematics, for instance, seem to exist unseen, waiting to be discovered. (Pythagorus did not INVENT the hypotenuse theory; he discovered and developed it.) (By the way, it works for all triangles if one adds in the cosine of the opposite angle. Sort of like the addition to Newtonian gravity.)
Additionally, I know beyond doubt that all concepts cannot be 'proven' using scientific methods. Not everything in existence is material. (Notice I didn't write 'the Universe', I wrote 'existence'.)
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Words can be tested and demonstrated to be either true or false.
God's words is demonstrated to be true by those who know how to test them.
It's not our fault if you don't know how to test them.
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EternalDragon
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How about when one prays for a sign from God and a light source
immediately appears where there should be none? Or when prayer is
specifically answered? Luck? Or the many prayers for safety of
missionaries and they actually see angels protecting them? Mass
delusion?
Yes, some prayers are not according to God's will so they don't get
answered. Do you expect every idle prayer to be answered?
Actually I have.
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Are you under the impression astronomers and physicists suddenly started talking about something called "dark matter" with absolutely no evidence to start them off having that conversation?
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Of course, refusing to see evidence is convenient. Or refusing to admit evidence exists, based on unsubstantiated assumption.Fancy123 said:
So why do you frequent a website called Christian Forums?
Or, perhaps a fear of believing-seeing-understanding, not being able to deny?Fancy123 said:
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There is a force at work that astronomers cannot detect the cause. They call that cause dark-matter. I call it God-energy.
Can you provide evidence it is dark-matter and not God-energy?
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