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I look at the site name and motto and I get a visceral opinion of what this site is
ChristianForums, uniting all Christians as one body.
I don't read, OpenForums, uniting all people as one body.
The predisposing perception is a) this site is intended as a meeting and discussion place for people who identify themselves as Christian. b) is it a place for them to create unity amongst each other.
So, here are a few dilemmas I see.
1. How do you define Christian. I was a big fan of the Nicene Standard. It has been the standard of orthodoxy for 1700 years, why create a new standard?
2. What to do with people who don't fit into that definition? I am fine with having open areas for everyone and anyone to initiate and sustain conversation, but the preponderance of the site should be dedicated to the site's mission......uniting all Christians as one body. Not sure how an atheist, muslim, wiccan, or a follower of some non-Nicene pseudo-religion can help with that. My gut instinct tells me, they can't.
3. Regarding "perscution" which I keep hearing over and over. Unless someone officially affliliated with this site has come to your house, abducted you, chained you to a wooden table in a dank, musky root cellar while water drips on your forhead, and shoved bamboo slivers under your fingernails, you haven't been persecuted. Give up the pity party. Treated in a manner you consider unfair? Probably. But persecuted? Give it a rest. If you want to understand persecution, talk to the Christians in Darfur, Sudan.
GA is hi-octane, and not everyone can cope with it.The proposed changes ARE the happy medium. Have you ever spent any time in the General Apologetics section?
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This is true.
AOL, and some universities, apartment buildings, and businesses use a bank of dynamic IP addresses. It is therefore impossible to ban an AOL IP and for that reason some forums even forbid AOL members to participate.
In addition, Internet cafes offer their pay per use services, so that people who really want to pay for an extra fraudulent vote can go to different Internet Cafes just to set up accounts to get around the system. Others use the Internet Cafe because they cannot afford a home computer, so they would be victimized if an entire Internet Cafe site were to close based on the unethical behavior of one person.
People can always find ways to be dishonest. Only Christ our God knows what is in our hearts and He will be the final and just Judge.
Glory to Jesus Christ,
Glory to Him forever.
Really?The problem with Option 1 for "outreach to non Christians" is that: That's Not What Happens - The Non-Christians come in and immediately go on the war path denying God exists, making fun of Christians and Christian beliefs, etc. It would be different if the non-Christians came in with a different attitude - but they dont. Go back to Option 2
Really?
most non-Christians were perfectly nice
I look at the site name and motto and I get a visceral opinion of what this site is
ChristianForums, uniting all Christians as one body.
I don't read, OpenForums, uniting all people as one body.
The predisposing perception is a) this site is intended as a meeting and discussion place for people who identify themselves as Christian. b) is it a place for them to create unity amongst each other.
So, here are a few dilemmas I see.
1. How do you define Christian. I was a big fan of the Nicene Standard. It has been the standard of orthodoxy for 1700 years, why create a new one? Shouldn't we call an new Ecumencial Council for that?
2. What to do with people who don't fit into that definition? I am fine with having open areas for everyone and anyone to initiate and sustain conversation, but the preponderance of the site should be dedicated to the site's mission......uniting all Christians as one body. Not sure how an atheist, muslim, wiccan, or a follower of some non-Nicene pseudo-religion can help with that. My gut instinct tells me, they can't.
3. Regarding "perscution" which I keep hearing over and over. Unless someone officially affliliated with this site has come to your house, abducted you, chained you to a wooden table in a dank, musky root cellar while water drips on your forhead, and shoved bamboo slivers under your fingernails, you haven't been persecuted. Give up the pity party. Treated in a manner you consider unfair? Probably. But persecuted? Give it a rest. If you want to understand persecution, talk to the Christians in Darfur, Sudan.
He tried. What he proposed was the middle road. Did you see anyone suggest that nonChristians should have total control of the site? That would be one extreme. Under the old system Christians (those claiming to be Christian), were in total control. That was the other extreme. Erwin suggested the middle road and people who claim to be Christians had a total hissy-fit!Erwin - take the middle road!
*I would also like to note that this is a sock puppet, and it will not be used to vote. I'd like all of the iidb users to take note of this. One vote per person.
If this was a secular website, I'd agree with you 100%.He tried. What he proposed was the middle road. Did you see anyone suggest that nonChristians should have total control of the site? That would be one extreme. Under the old system Christians (those claiming to be Christian), were in total control. That was the other extreme. Erwin suggested the middle road and people who claim to be Christians had a total hissy-fit!
Perhaps what needs to happen is that we need to redefine Christian values.Tolerance is out. Zero-tolerance is the true Christian mandateThere are a lot of Christians here who should take pause, reflect upon the values they actually wish to practice, and be ashamed.
Equality is out. Only Christians are allowed to be "equal". NonChristians are to be seen as lesser beings.
Kindness can have no place in the treatment of the aforementioned "lesser beings". If you're not a Christian, you don't deserve kindness.
Godliness (as the common presentation that "God is love"), simply isn't allowed. It's the path to weakness and a total loss of the control that Christians should naturally practice over everyone else.
Lists of dynamic addresses are used by large ISP's but the odds someone votes here and then a few hours later someone does with the same IP are pretty slim.
I agree with you BIG time. A NON believer wants Nothing to do with the belief of God.
So why should the non believers have the mod/leader position?! Why are Christians getting kicked into the corner and being persecuted?
An non-believer DOES NOT believe in God. I don't know how someone can serve on a Christian board if they are not Christian?! It's like throwing an atheist in a Church to preach as a Pastor to church people....it's not going to work!!
You're charismatic, I'll give you that.He tried. What he proposed was the middle road. Did you see anyone suggest that nonChristians should have total control of the site? That would be one extreme. Under the old system Christians (those claiming to be Christian), were in total control. That was the other extreme. Erwin suggested the middle road and people who claim to be Christians had a total hissy-fit!
Perhaps what needs to happen is that we need to redefine Christian values.Tolerance is out. Zero-tolerance is the true Christian mandate
Equality is out. Only Christians are allowed to be "equal". NonChristians are to be seen as lesser beings.
Kindness can have no place in the treatment of the aforementioned "lesser beings". If you're not a Christian, you don't deserve kindness.
Godliness (as the common presentation that "God is love"), simply isn't allowed. It's the path to weakness and a total loss of the control that Christians should naturally practice over everyone else.There are a lot of Christians here who should take pause, reflect upon the values they actually wish to practice, and be ashamed.
This is overly dramatic to say the leastHe tried. What he proposed was the middle road. Did you see anyone suggest that nonChristians should have total control of the site? That would be one extreme. Under the old system Christians (those claiming to be Christian), were in total control. That was the other extreme. Erwin suggested the middle road and people who claim to be Christians had a total hissy-fit!
Perhaps what needs to happen is that we need to redefine Christian values.Tolerance is out. Zero-tolerance is the true Christian mandateThere are a lot of Christians here who should take pause, reflect upon the values they actually wish to practice, and be ashamed.
Equality is out. Only Christians are allowed to be "equal". NonChristians are to be seen as lesser beings.
Kindness can have no place in the treatment of the aforementioned "lesser beings". If you're not a Christian, you don't deserve kindness.
Godliness (as the common presentation that "God is love"), simply isn't allowed. It's the path to weakness and a total loss of the control that Christians should naturally practice over everyone else.
I agree with you BIG time. A NON believer wants Nothing to do with the belief of God.
So why should the non believers have the mod/leader position?!
Why are Christians getting kicked into the corner and being persecuted?
An non-believer DOES NOT believe in God. I don't know how someone can serve on a Christian board if they are not Christian?! It's like throwing an atheist in a Church to preach as a Pastor to church people....it's not going to work!!
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