Astrology

lostinthought · Aug 20, 2005

Before my life as a Christian I experienced many other beliefs. One thing I can not let go of is Astrology. I see it's evidence constantly. I have studied it in depth. I believe that it is a creation of God and something so amazing could not exist without Him, but is it still a sin to see the power in something He may not have intended for us to understand?

SpokenFor2005 · Aug 20, 2005

I don't know, Lost... my feeling is that if there is anything that He intends for us not to understand... we won't. Not completely. God doesn't make mistakes.

Kind of like when our parents told us when we were little that "when you're old enough to understand it fully, we'll tell you".

And not before...

SF'05

lostinthought · Aug 20, 2005

Are there any denominations that accept this? Someone mentioned something about Rosicrucians or something like that . . . I don't know, that's not the real important question . . . I just see so much evidence for it's existence . . .

AvgJoe · Aug 20, 2005

Following is a few points from the other side of the arguement:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/astrology.html

God bless!

Sketcher · Aug 20, 2005

At best, any correlation to star positions and truth is coincidence.

Also, you'll find that God is very direct. When He says something, He says it. It is very clear - He gave us the Bible so we would know His will, and to a very good degree it is spelled out for us right there. He doesn't make us guess what He wants from us, I mean how much more specific can it be than "You shall not murder?" As for what we are to do with our lives, we have FREEDOM. We just need to BE who the Bible tells us to BE and the rest will take care of itself.

lostinthought · Aug 20, 2005

AvgJoe: I checked out that site - they do present a valid argument as far as the outdating of the stars positions - I will have to look into that! As far as twins go - your entire chart is composed of a multitude of signs, some of which could change in between the seconds that twins are born. Also, it is only certain astrologists who believe it can predict the future by making a chart of a moment in time. I only believe it effects our personalities. Anyway, thanks for your response.
twistedsketch: It does say not to worship the stars - but I do not do that. It also says I think in Issac that astrologers will burn. I hope this is not true for me! If I am truly in contempt of God then I beg to change! However, I can only hope that perhaps the context of these particular astrologers is different than my own. I see astrology as an amazing energy that was created by God Himself! Did they not use dream interpretation in the Bible - isn't that a form of the psychic? Could that not be wrong in a different context?

Sketcher · Aug 20, 2005

Same difference, the people in the Bible were just in it more deeply than you. And just as an FYI, it would be Isaiah, there is no book of Issac.

You can change. Ask God to show you what's NOT true about astrology and that you want to obey and follow Him. You need to be willing to give this up.

lostinthought · Aug 20, 2005

Woah! I'm sorry! And of course I have prayed about this and am willing to give it up if that is what God's will is for me! I didn't mean to sound like I'm trying to start an argument or anything - am I not in the New Christians forum? I will grow and learn as needed I just had some questions . . .

Sketcher · Aug 20, 2005

Hey, I wasn't snapping at you, I didn't mean to come off that way. Sorry about that.

lostinthought · Aug 20, 2005

It's OK, I forgive you . . . sometimes it's hard to tell in these forums!

Sketcher · Aug 20, 2005

When I do snap at people, they can tell. Trust me on this one.

lostinthought · Aug 20, 2005

LOL
Silly me! I should've guessed that!

ReynaDreamz · Aug 21, 2005

Astrology is not of god......it is a form of witchcraft.....we must realize as believers that there are two power sources in this world....Satan and God...while many astrologers and wiccans display great knowledge of the future....etc they are not reciving it from God but satan....look at moses in battle with the wizards.....while moses was a servant God ....God manifested power through him and those wizards not serving God manifestated power also.....but from who? satan! But God's power is greater than satan.....Many times with things of the occult like astrology etc people get caught up....and satan will take them into the world of darkness.....God is our guide and our light.....and we not to worry about our futures cuz we are in His hands period. Wanna know whats gonna happen in the future....than read ur word.....read Revelations. Read of God's kingdom that is to come God bless

lostinthought · Aug 21, 2005

One more time . . . I don't use astrology to predict the future!!!! Some astrologists are, indeed, known for doing this. All I believe is this: Stars and planets all release energy - this is obvious, look at the tides being affected by the moon! When you are born the position of these stars and planets affect your inner thoughts and emotions. I also believe that since these energies are constatly released, we are constantly affected by them differently depending on that original influence. I believe that God created the stars and the planets (heavens) as well as the energy they produce. Therefore I believe it is God who can therefore plan the time you are born based on the purpose he wants for you! Is that witchcraft? I don't use it to tell the future or predict events in your life. I only use it to better understand my personality, why I do things the way I do, why I can connect and clash with others, and what it is that I am meant for!

Silent Enigma · Aug 24, 2005

All I believe is this: Stars and planets all release energy - this is obvious, look at the tides being affected by the moon! When you are born the position of these stars and planets affect your inner thoughts and emotions. I also believe that since these energies are constatly released, we are constantly affected by them differently depending on that original influence.

I don't see how the gravity, light, and whatever radiation is put off by these very, very distant stars can affect our personalities. Plus, wouldn't that minimal amount of energy be completely negated by the presence of the sun?

DIVA_for_Christ · Aug 25, 2005

lostinthought said:
One more time . . . I don't use astrology to predict the future!!!! Some astrologists are, indeed, known for doing this. All I believe is this: Stars and planets all release energy - this is obvious, look at the tides being affected by the moon! When you are born the position of these stars and planets affect your inner thoughts and emotions. I also believe that since these energies are constatly released, we are constantly affected by them differently depending on that original influence. I believe that God created the stars and the planets (heavens) as well as the energy they produce. Therefore I believe it is God who can therefore plan the time you are born based on the purpose he wants for you! Is that witchcraft? I don't use it to tell the future or predict events in your life. I only use it to better understand my personality, why I do things the way I do, why I can connect and clash with others, and what it is that I am meant for!

Your original post:

Before my life as a Christian I experienced many other beliefs. One thing I can not let go of is Astrology. I see it's evidence constantly. I have studied it in depth. I believe that it is a creation of God and something so amazing could not exist without Him, but is it still a sin to see the power in something He may not have intended for us to understand?

What I'm about to say, is out of love. I am not coming against you, just being obedient in sharing with you what I have discerned. You stated you could not let go of astrology and how you see it's evidence constantly, and you wanted to know if it was a sin. ReynaDreamz responded with the truth and you got very defensive. So I will share with you what I've learned in hopes that you will be able to receive in a positive manner.

Baal and Ashtaroth were worshipped by God's lost children. Baal was the moon god and Ashtraroth was the sun goddess. They had their prophets (false prophets) and they read the stars to speak prophecies to their followers. The prophecies were on point and made it easy to believe that they were true prophets of God.

Regardless of the fact that you say that you don't use it to predict the future, you are messing in the enemy's camp. It can seem innocent enough, but you are allowing poison to be poured into you. If you want to know more about your personality, seek the One who created you.

I used to be just like you and God revealed to me that it was a form of witchcraft and He had to deliver me from a generational curse.

Here are a few scriptures for you to look at. I also recommend reading My Spiritual Inheritance by Juanita Bynum. She has a whole area devoted to Ashtaroth and Jezebel and she explains how they use the stars as a form of deceit.
2 Kings 23:4-6 (New International Version)4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the LORD all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the pagan priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalemthose who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of the LORD to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people.

2 Kings 17:15-17 (New International Version)15 They rejected his decrees and the covenant he had made with their fathers and the warnings he had given them. They followed worthless idols and themselves became worthless. They imitated the nations around them although the LORD had ordered them, "Do not do as they do," and they did the things the LORD had forbidden them to do. 16 They forsook all the commands of the LORD their God and made for themselves two idols cast in the shape of calves, and an Asherah pole. They bowed down to all the starry hosts, and they worshiped Baal. 17 They sacrificed their sons and daughters in [a] the fire. They practiced divination and sorcery and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.

1 Kings 18:18-20 (New International Version)18 "I have not made trouble for Israel," Elijah replied. "But you and your father's family have. You have abandoned the LORD's commands and have followed the Baals. 19 Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table." 20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel.

1 Kings 16:29-31 (New International Version)29 In the thirty-eighth year of Asa king of Judah, Ahab son of Omri became king of Israel, and he reigned in Samaria over Israel twenty-two years. 30 Ahab son of Omri did more evil in the eyes of the LORD than any of those before him. 31 He not only considered it trivial to commit the sins of Jeroboam son of Nebat, but he also married Jezebel daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, and began to serve Baal and worship him.

Tenorvoice · Aug 27, 2005

Also if you notice the accounts of the astrologers in the book of Daniel, they failed in thier attempts each and every time.

Da 1:20; 2:27; 4:7; 5:7, 11

We are told not to look into or have anything to do with these kinds of things, for they are not of God. They are only from the devil and his fallen angles. But that is a totaly different subject that I will not get into here.

God Bless

And I woudl truely ask God the Father to strip this intrest from you and to never let it return.

Tenor

Simonline · Aug 29, 2005

lostinthought said:
One more time . . . I don't use astrology to predict the future!!!! Some astrologists are, indeed, known for doing this. All I believe is this: Stars and planets all release energy - this is obvious, look at the tides being affected by the moon! When you are born the position of these stars and planets affect your inner thoughts and emotions. I also believe that since these energies are constatly released, we are constantly affected by them differently depending on that original influence. I believe that God created the stars and the planets (heavens) as well as the energy they produce. Therefore I believe it is God who can therefore plan the time you are born based on the purpose he wants for you! Is that witchcraft? I don't use it to tell the future or predict events in your life. I only use it to better understand my personality, why I do things the way I do, why I can connect and clash with others, and what it is that I am meant for!

Actually, in the case of the birth of the Messiah it was the position of the Messiah that determined the position of the stars in the heavens and not the other way around. It is God who is Lord of all the Universe and our faith should be in Him alone and not in any aspect of the occult. The very reason why God prohibits believers from getting involved in the occult is because it works! But it is a trap to ensnare the unwary over to 'the dark side' (kicking and screaming if necessary). If it was just 'harmless mumbo-jumbo' then God wouldn't give two hoots whether we got involved in the occult or not but the fact is, God loves us passionately and he knows that the occult is a spiritual minefield specifically designed by the Evil One to ensnare and ultimately destroy the gullible, the stupid and the unwary who are foolish enough to think that they know better than God or are 'big enough to handle themselves'?! God will often let people find out the hard way that they need to trust him for a reason. It just isn't safe out there.

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